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I often think about the relative merits / deficits of living in a blue town in a red state vs living in a blue town blue state, or even a red town blue state.

MT has swung right of late IMO due to conservatives emigrating from nearby blue states, and the cities aren't big enough (yet) to offset that calculus.

So balkanized (both intra & interstate) we are as a nation and it sure seems to be getting worse.

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jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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I often think about the relative merits / deficits of living in a blue town in a red state vs living in a blue town blue state, or even a red town blue state.

MT has swung right of late IMO due to conservatives emigrating from nearby blue states, and the cities aren't big enough (yet) to offset that calculus.

So balkanized (both intra & interstate) we are as a nation and it sure seems to be getting worse.

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Have you seen the Greater Idaho movement? It's kind of funny because we are barely 40 minutes north of downtown, yet this town is fiercely red. We are a quiet minority here, for sure. There are now 4 Trump flags and a banner in my HOA guided neighborhood as of Friday. We are the nicest hood here, it gets way worse.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Almost makes you wonder what kind of scumbag Jesus really was.

According to the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus killed children when he was young. Does this mean that he killed people and nobody wants to address that Jesus wasn’t innocent?
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The easy answer, which everyone else here is taking, is that the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (or, as I’ve called it in my time, The Gospel of Jesus the Axe-Murderer) is non-canonical, and we don’t have to worry ourselves about it, because the canonical account of Jesus does not present Jesus as a killer.
As if there aren’t enough contradictions in the canonical Christian scriptures. As if Jesus is consistently meek and gentle, and not talking half the time about hellfire, or cursing random fig trees, or coming to bring a sword into this world.
And for that matter, as if generations of Christians did not take the Infancy Gospel of Thomas seriously, including it being a major source of inspiration in Mediaeval Irish Christianity, for its story of Jesus moulding pigeons out of clay, and breathing life into them:


The Infancy Gospel of Thomas: Irish
The Irish version of IGT is extant in a single manuscript of the 17th century (Dublin, National Library of Ireland, MS G 50 ). It was brought to the attention of scholars in an article by James Carney in 1958 (“Two Old Irish Poems”, Ériu 18, p. 1-43). Though the manuscript is fairly late, Carney traced the text’s origins to a translation from around 700 C.E., thereby making it one of the earliest witnesses to IGT. Early scholarship on the text sought to prove that the Irish text had significant correspondences with the Greek B recension; therefore, the two versions were considered integral for recovering the original text of the gospel. More recent scholars have made a stronger case for a relationship between the Irish text and the Old Latin IGT extant in a fifth-century palimpsest (Lv) and incorporated into the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew (Lm). The following translation is from the recent edition of the Irish text by M. Herbert contained in M. McNamara et al, Apocrypha Hiberniae, t. 1: Evangelia infantiae (CCSA 13 and 14; Turnhout: Brepols, 2001–2002), p. 443-483. ________ A Versified Narrative Of The Childhood Deeds Of The Lord Jesus The Pools and the Sparrows 1 When Jesus, Son of the living God, was a lad of five years he blessed twelve little pools of water. He had enclosed then with clay. 2 He shaped twelve little birds, called passers on the Sabbath day He made them firmly from clay. 3 A certain Jew complained about Jesus, son of the great God. He brought him by the hand to his foster-father, Joseph. 4 “Rebuke your son, Joseph. What he is doing is not right. On the Sabbath Day he has fashioned Images of birds out of clay.” 5 Jesus clapped his two hands. His small voice resounded. Before their eyes – a wonder of sudden movement – He scared away the birds. 6 There was heard a gentle, endearing little speech from the mouth of faultless Jesus: “Let you find out who created you! Go to your home!” 7 Someone reported to the people – it was a extraordinary tale – that the cries of the birds were heard as they flew. Jesus curses the son of Annas 8 The son of Annas the scribe approached him at his play and released each single stream. He destroyed the construction. 9 “What you have done”, said Jesus, “has not been to our benefit. May you be like a little branch Which falls before its fruit.” 10 The boy fell over like a withered twig. It would have been better for him not to have ruined the game of the King’s son. Jesus curses the boy who caused him annoyance and Joseph rebukes Jesus 11 On a further occasion when Jesus was at home with Joseph, another boy who came to him caused him annoyance. 12 “May the journey which you have made be one of no return”, said Jesus. The boy collapsed and died straight away. 13 It infuriated the lowly kindred of the boy to whom he had dealt doom. “He is declared as your son, Joseph. Go! Depart from us, indeed! 14 “Unless you reprove your son, you are to go away somewhere. Whichever way you go from here, It would not be to
https://www.tonyburke.ca/infancy-gospel-of-thomas/the-infancy-gospel-of-thomas-irish/

(Odd how most translations seem to cut out the smiting bit.)
8 The son of Annas the scribe
approached him at his play
and released each single stream.
He destroyed the construction.
9 “What you have done”, said Jesus,
“has not been to our benefit.
May you be like a little branch
Which falls before its fruit.”
10 The boy fell over
like a withered twig.
It would have been better for him not to have ruined
the game of the King’s son.

11 On a further occasion when Jesus
was at home with Joseph,
another boy who came to him
caused him annoyance.
12 “May the journey which you have made
be one of no return”, said Jesus.
The boy collapsed
and died straight away.
 

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According to the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus killed children when he was young. Does this mean that he killed people and nobody wants to address that Jesus wasn’t innocent?
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The easy answer, which everyone else here is taking, is that the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (or, as I’ve called it in my time, The Gospel of Jesus the Axe-Murderer) is non-canonical, and we don’t have to worry ourselves about it, because the canonical account of Jesus does not present Jesus as a killer.
As if there aren’t enough contradictions in the canonical Christian scriptures. As if Jesus is consistently meek and gentle, and not talking half the time about hellfire, or cursing random fig trees, or coming to bring a sword into this world.
And for that matter, as if generations of Christians did not take the Infancy Gospel of Thomas seriously, including it being a major source of inspiration in Mediaeval Irish Christianity, for its story of Jesus moulding pigeons out of clay, and breathing life into them:
The Infancy Gospel of Thomas: Irish
The Irish version of IGT is extant in a single manuscript of the 17th century (Dublin, National Library of Ireland, MS G 50 ). It was brought to the attention of scholars in an article by James Carney in 1958 (“Two Old Irish Poems”, Ériu 18, p. 1-43). Though the manuscript is fairly late, Carney traced the text’s origins to a translation from around 700 C.E., thereby making it one of the earliest witnesses to IGT. Early scholarship on the text sought to prove that the Irish text had significant correspondences with the Greek B recension; therefore, the two versions were considered integral for recovering the original text of the gospel. More recent scholars have made a stronger case for a relationship between the Irish text and the Old Latin IGT extant in a fifth-century palimpsest (Lv) and incorporated into the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew (Lm). The following translation is from the recent edition of the Irish text by M. Herbert contained in M. McNamara et al, Apocrypha Hiberniae, t. 1: Evangelia infantiae (CCSA 13 and 14; Turnhout: Brepols, 2001–2002), p. 443-483. ________ A Versified Narrative Of The Childhood Deeds Of The Lord Jesus The Pools and the Sparrows 1 When Jesus, Son of the living God, was a lad of five years he blessed twelve little pools of water. He had enclosed then with clay. 2 He shaped twelve little birds, called passers on the Sabbath day He made them firmly from clay. 3 A certain Jew complained about Jesus, son of the great God. He brought him by the hand to his foster-father, Joseph. 4 “Rebuke your son, Joseph. What he is doing is not right. On the Sabbath Day he has fashioned Images of birds out of clay.” 5 Jesus clapped his two hands. His small voice resounded. Before their eyes – a wonder of sudden movement – He scared away the birds. 6 There was heard a gentle, endearing little speech from the mouth of faultless Jesus: “Let you find out who created you! Go to your home!” 7 Someone reported to the people – it was a extraordinary tale – that the cries of the birds were heard as they flew. Jesus curses the son of Annas 8 The son of Annas the scribe approached him at his play and released each single stream. He destroyed the construction. 9 “What you have done”, said Jesus, “has not been to our benefit. May you be like a little branch Which falls before its fruit.” 10 The boy fell over like a withered twig. It would have been better for him not to have ruined the game of the King’s son. Jesus curses the boy who caused him annoyance and Joseph rebukes Jesus 11 On a further occasion when Jesus was at home with Joseph, another boy who came to him caused him annoyance. 12 “May the journey which you have made be one of no return”, said Jesus. The boy collapsed and died straight away. 13 It infuriated the lowly kindred of the boy to whom he had dealt doom. “He is declared as your son, Joseph. Go! Depart from us, indeed! 14 “Unless you reprove your son, you are to go away somewhere. Whichever way you go from here, It would not be to

https://www.tonyburke.ca/infancy-gospel-of-thomas/the-infancy-gospel-of-thomas-irish/
(Odd how most translations seem to cut out the smiting bit.)
How many kids did god kill in the great flood? Plagues? All the first borns of egypt? Seems like infanticide and abortion are tenets of their beliefs.
 

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According to the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus killed children when he was young. Does this mean that he killed people and nobody wants to address that Jesus wasn’t innocent?
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The easy answer, which everyone else here is taking, is that the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (or, as I’ve called it in my time, The Gospel of Jesus the Axe-Murderer) is non-canonical, and we don’t have to worry ourselves about it, because the canonical account of Jesus does not present Jesus as a killer.
As if there aren’t enough contradictions in the canonical Christian scriptures. As if Jesus is consistently meek and gentle, and not talking half the time about hellfire, or cursing random fig trees, or coming to bring a sword into this world.
And for that matter, as if generations of Christians did not take the Infancy Gospel of Thomas seriously, including it being a major source of inspiration in Mediaeval Irish Christianity, for its story of Jesus moulding pigeons out of clay, and breathing life into them:
The Infancy Gospel of Thomas: Irish
The Irish version of IGT is extant in a single manuscript of the 17th century (Dublin, National Library of Ireland, MS G 50 ). It was brought to the attention of scholars in an article by James Carney in 1958 (“Two Old Irish Poems”, Ériu 18, p. 1-43). Though the manuscript is fairly late, Carney traced the text’s origins to a translation from around 700 C.E., thereby making it one of the earliest witnesses to IGT. Early scholarship on the text sought to prove that the Irish text had significant correspondences with the Greek B recension; therefore, the two versions were considered integral for recovering the original text of the gospel. More recent scholars have made a stronger case for a relationship between the Irish text and the Old Latin IGT extant in a fifth-century palimpsest (Lv) and incorporated into the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew (Lm). The following translation is from the recent edition of the Irish text by M. Herbert contained in M. McNamara et al, Apocrypha Hiberniae, t. 1: Evangelia infantiae (CCSA 13 and 14; Turnhout: Brepols, 2001–2002), p. 443-483. ________ A Versified Narrative Of The Childhood Deeds Of The Lord Jesus The Pools and the Sparrows 1 When Jesus, Son of the living God, was a lad of five years he blessed twelve little pools of water. He had enclosed then with clay. 2 He shaped twelve little birds, called passers on the Sabbath day He made them firmly from clay. 3 A certain Jew complained about Jesus, son of the great God. He brought him by the hand to his foster-father, Joseph. 4 “Rebuke your son, Joseph. What he is doing is not right. On the Sabbath Day he has fashioned Images of birds out of clay.” 5 Jesus clapped his two hands. His small voice resounded. Before their eyes – a wonder of sudden movement – He scared away the birds. 6 There was heard a gentle, endearing little speech from the mouth of faultless Jesus: “Let you find out who created you! Go to your home!” 7 Someone reported to the people – it was a extraordinary tale – that the cries of the birds were heard as they flew. Jesus curses the son of Annas 8 The son of Annas the scribe approached him at his play and released each single stream. He destroyed the construction. 9 “What you have done”, said Jesus, “has not been to our benefit. May you be like a little branch Which falls before its fruit.” 10 The boy fell over like a withered twig. It would have been better for him not to have ruined the game of the King’s son. Jesus curses the boy who caused him annoyance and Joseph rebukes Jesus 11 On a further occasion when Jesus was at home with Joseph, another boy who came to him caused him annoyance. 12 “May the journey which you have made be one of no return”, said Jesus. The boy collapsed and died straight away. 13 It infuriated the lowly kindred of the boy to whom he had dealt doom. “He is declared as your son, Joseph. Go! Depart from us, indeed! 14 “Unless you reprove your son, you are to go away somewhere. Whichever way you go from here, It would not be to

https://www.tonyburke.ca/infancy-gospel-of-thomas/the-infancy-gospel-of-thomas-irish/
(Odd how most translations seem to cut out the smiting bit.)
And the way you do it, with any religion, is you believe the parts you want to believe and ignore the parts you dont.
 

Westy

the teste
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Nobody aborts more babies than God.
And god made baby heads mushy for a reson

Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.