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RAYS MTB park review

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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So we drove up to Rays MTB Park in Cleveland from Pittsburgh for the public opening on Black Friday. I wasn’t sure what to expect, and felt that the whole concept was kind of bizarre but at the same time pretty good idea. First off I want to say that the entrance is sketchy as hell, it is just this dilapidated warehouse driveway with little sings that the place is actually there. I wasn’t sure if it was an ambush or what… So after signing our lives away at the front desk we hit the park.

I want to start off by saying that the beginner loop is just that, for beginners, I think that anyone who has ever ridden a bike in their life could complete the small obstacles that make up this loop. The intermediate loop was more interesting, a bunch of nicely banked turns that kept your speed up and shot you into some bridge sections. There were a few teeter-totters to keep things interesting as well as some skinnys to hone your skills on.

The expert loop was were 90% of my day was spent. I thought they did a great job with this. The best part (and it showed with the level of traffic it got) was the jump rhythm section that was on the far side of the park. The jump lips were shaped perfectly and they flowed just like a dirt trail section. The 15’ high bermed turn out of the first 3 was really cool and allowed you to hammer good at the remaining 2 jumps in the section. There were tons of guys hitting it all day, including Joe Prisel who jumped on the coarse and pulled backflips,360’s and no handers. The rhythm section was great for me because I blow at jumping and it was a great spot to hit and improve.

There were tons of techy type bridges in the expert section, a rolling bridge that you had to stall on to keep it going, a teeter totter that pivoted sideways, and some really skinny sections. Along with the skinnys, threw was a drop spot where you could chose 4 different lines depending on how big you wanted to go.

In conclusion I thought the park was pretty cool, parts of the bridges lacked some flow and I would like to see the sections move a little faster. For trials type riders the stuff was great but for the skate/jump style guys that mostly populated the course it was a bit slow. It was obvious that the jumps were a hit and I think there needs to be a lot more box’s to keep the interest going. Apparently all of this is in the works and more jump sections are planned. My vote would be to make the beginner sections smaller and expand on the advanced sections. Anyone who is going to frequent a spot like this most likely is a skilled rider and will spend little to no time in the beginner sections. There was talk of a foam pit and I don’t know if this is actually a reality but how kick ass would that be? I met Ray and he seemed open to any input, which is what will make the park grow. My input would be: QUIT PLAYING *****TY MUSIC, LINKIN PARK IS NOT A GOOD BAND. I was not the only one bitching about this but owell, check it out everyone.


Oh and I will post pics when i get a chance mid next week.
 

Dirt Merchant

Monkey
Oct 16, 2003
247
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Hilton, NY
We are planning on going sometime in Feburary. When it's none degrees ,there is a ton of snow on the ground and haven't ridden in weeks.

Yup, same here.
Echo, maybe give me a shout?
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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bikeboyjeff said:
What kind of tires would you suggest for riding the indoor park?
I personally did it with a Tioga yellow kirin 2.3 f and a Hookworm rear, and hooked up great even on all the log stuff...But, my freind that i went was on a set of the new Maxxis Hollyroller 2.4, that has to be the best tire for this park hands down. Arrow launches were real popular as well and would prob do a great job too, basically anything not toooooo nobbyy :thumb:
 

Axis

Monkey
Jun 9, 2004
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I love Ray's and I live 5 miles from it. Everyone should come and at least check it out if you are near Cleveland.
 

Dunshee80

Chimp
Aug 16, 2004
41
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there is a similar place opening up in the sacramento ca area very soon. all in doors....should be sweet.
 

Axis

Monkey
Jun 9, 2004
471
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Dunshee80 said:
there is a similar place opening up in the sacramento ca area very soon. all in doors....should be sweet.
Ya a couple guys from there are flying out to see Ray's and talk with him and local stunt builders.
 

Leethal

Turbo Monkey
Oct 27, 2001
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Avondale (Phoenix)
Manhattan you plannning on coming back again soon? We just got the green light to build some more boxes in a couple weeks....There is going to be a good sized group of us there on Saturday a bunch of good riders coming up from Columbus.

Tire wise almost anything works well as the ladders and such have plenty of grip, the concrete floor is also grippy thanks to being so old, but the ideal tire is probably the Arrow Launch.
 

dfinn

Turbo Monkey
Jul 24, 2003
2,129
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SL, UT
Dunshee80 said:
there is a similar place opening up in the sacramento ca area very soon. all in doors....should be sweet.
very interesting. you got any more details on this?
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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Leethal said:
Manhattan you plannning on coming back again soon? We just got the green light to build some more boxes in a couple weeks....There is going to be a good sized group of us there on Saturday a bunch of good riders coming up from Columbus.

Tire wise almost anything works well as the ladders and such have plenty of grip, the concrete floor is also grippy thanks to being so old, but the ideal tire is probably the Arrow Launch.

Tied up with finals for the next two weeks :mad: . But.... I will be back as soon as they are over. I go to school in Erie PA and there is basically nothing to ride here at all so i will be making a bunch of trips up there. I just need some people to ride with.
Is there any way to put more jump sections along the sides? I know the big wooden walls in the back corner are coming down but i think the place has alot of potential other than just that section. Do you agree that the beginner sections were just overly easy? It was my observation that everyone there felt we needed more jumps. And there was a bunch of space not being used along the sides and what not...

Also what are the hours looking like, the guy i talked to at the desk said it was possible that 13 hour days were coming...I will be posting pics later tonight!
 

BikeFan84

Monkey
Oct 27, 2004
302
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D-Ville
Yeh I was hoping to hear some honest truth about the park, I live near Pittsburgh, well closer to Johnstown PA, but was thinking about going there to check it out, any word on the types of bikes, HT should handle everything>??
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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BikeFan84 said:
Yeh I was hoping to hear some honest truth about the park, I live near Pittsburgh, well closer to Johnstown PA, but was thinking about going there to check it out, any word on the types of bikes, HT should handle everything>??

I think that my review is as close to truth as it gets, next time you want to head up let me know, i think we are going to get a bunch of us together from pgh area (right by the city) and go sometime over the holiday season. Yes, a hardtail is IDEAL for this place, i would not want to ride it on a DH/FR at all! When we were leaving a few guys were coming in with Full on DH rigs (v10 dorado etc..) and we were cringing at the thought of riding on them. Hardtail with holly roller or launches :thumb:
 

kingbee

Monkey
Mar 29, 2004
902
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Ohio
This is Graig, Engineer and builder from Rays. I met you guys there. I was on the Blue Sinister with the RockShox Pike.

I pushed for a long time to make the beginner smaller. Ray insisted on keeping the beginner and Sport sections the two largest because thats where he felt there was going to be the most traffic. Me being someone who was going to spend all of my time in the expert section, I knew thats how expert riders were going to feel. Its been surprising to see how much the beginner section has been ridden. If it wasnt for that section I dont think we would have the attendance that we have had.

Over time all of the sections will change. I think the more that we see what people ride and the comments we get will mold what the sections will look like. Obviously the expert riders think the beginner section is a waste of space. But the sport and beginners have said the same about the expert section. They say "that stuff is way to hard, why waste the space with something Im never going to ride". Unfortunaly we are never going to make everyone happy.

Flow is something that we worked hard on trying to make happen. The expert section was the hardest to do this. We had a lot of stuff that we wanted to make in such a small space. The expert section isnt about flow as much. Its a lot of skinny and technical sections that are made to challenge you over and over. I think for what we had to work with it moves along pretty good. This will all change when we have the extra 5,000sqft to build with in a few months.

See you all out here soon. Ride on.
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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kingbee said:
This is Graig, Engineer and builder from Rays. I met you guys there. I was on the Blue Sinister with the RockShox Pike.

I pushed for a long time to make the beginner smaller. Ray insisted on keeping the beginner and Sport sections the two largest because thats where he felt there was going to be the most traffic. Me being someone who was going to spend all of my time in the expert section, I knew thats how expert riders were going to feel. Its been surprising to see how much the beginner section has been ridden. If it wasnt for that section I dont think we would have the attendance that we have had.

Over time all of the sections will change. I think the more that we see what people ride and the comments we get will mold what the sections will look like. Obviously the expert riders think the beginner section is a waste of space. But the sport and beginners have said the same about the expert section. They say "that stuff is way to hard, why waste the space with something Im never going to ride". Unfortunaly we are never going to make everyone happy.

Flow is something that we worked hard on trying to make happen. The expert section was the hardest to do this. We had a lot of stuff that we wanted to make in such a small space. The expert section isnt about flow as much. Its a lot of skinny and technical sections that are made to challenge you over and over. I think for what we had to work with it moves along pretty good. This will all change when we have the extra 5,000sqft to build with in a few months.

See you all out here soon. Ride on.


Oh hey man i talked with you for a bit great input, i cant wait to see some of the new changes,thinking about coming back up this weekend since Erie PA blows :think: I wait to get back there...
 

kingbee

Monkey
Mar 29, 2004
902
0
Ohio
Not sure if Ill get up there this weekend. I have some other things I gota tend to. I need to get up there to do some maintenance on the place though. There are some new things in the sport section. I have some planns for the expert section. Just waiting for the time to build them.
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
8,577
5,360
let's hope someone doesn't get hurt & slap them w/ a lawsuit... seems to be the trend lately. :(
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
9,660
1,237
Nilbog
dump said:
let's hope someone doesn't get hurt & slap them w/ a lawsuit... seems to be the trend lately. :(
Yeah for real, but i think they would have do deal with a :monkey: lynch mob if they did...I think it is def a legitimate concern though...