[slcpunk21]

I was just sitting here thinking, why didn't anyone come to a standard derailure hanger design? The industry has standards on alot of other replaceble parts why not this? That way you wouldn't have to worry about crashing and not having one on hand and trying to find a lbs that may carry your line of bike. Just a thought. So what do you guys think?

I don't wnat to hear about how shimano is solving this problem with the new saint group and yada yada yada. I'm tired of hearing about how shimano this good and shimano that bad...

I mean i understand that there are different setups as in threw axles and vertical and hortizontal dropouts ... but there could be somewhat of a standard.

Anyways thoughts guy....thanks!

 

[binary visions]

I understand what you're saying but the hanger is such a small, replacable piece, to the cost of less than $20, I just don't see this happening. It takes time and costs money to develop a standard, and people just aren't going to sit down and argue over a small flexible chip of metal that is really not the greatest idea in the world anyway - IMO, replaceable dropouts (a'la Santa Cruz) are a far more sturdy and intelligent option.

Frame companies aren't going to retool their equipment just because people want standardization of their $10 hanger.

edit: If your hanger isn't steel you should probably have a spare around anyway!

 

[slcpunk21]

Originally posted by binary visions
not the greatest idea in the world anyway - IMO, replaceable dropouts (a'la Santa Cruz) are a far more sturdy and intelligent option.

Frame companies aren't going to retool their equipment just because people want standardization of their $10 hanger.

Oh I agree, i'm just suprised that they didn't think of it initially. I was just thinking about it and thought I'd post. So see if anyone had a reason why it wasn't standarized in the beginning so the tools and frame and all the stuff that goes along with it wouldn't have to be changed.

edit: If your hanger isn't steel you should probably have a spare around anyway!

Very importnat word there... SHOULD..ha ha ha, after I bend or break one I forget to order another. Oh well. I'll learn someday

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Originally posted by binary visions
I understand what you're saying but the hanger is such a small, replacable piece, to the cost of less than $20...

...until you're a few years out and they no longer make the hanger...

J

 

[binary visions]

Originally posted by johnbryanpeters
...until you're a few years out and they no longer make the hanger...

J

MOST bike companies have a standard hanger for all of their bikes. I know, not all, but for instance the Giant hangers are the same on their DH team as on their Iguana. So it's pretty rare that you actually can't find a hanger.

 

[D_D]

There are also companies that would cnc you a new hanger for a fee.

Another advantage to a standard would be if company a decided to save a bit of money and use cheap low strength hangers all you would have to do is buy the stronger one company b used. Without a standard you either have to get a decent one made or stick with the poor ones.

 

[fonseca]

Originally posted by D_D
There are also companies that would cnc you a new hanger for a fee.

Another advantage to a standard would be if company a decided to save a bit of money and use cheap low strength hangers all you would have to do is buy the stronger one company b used. Without a standard you either have to get a decent one made or stick with the poor ones.

And that would be the greatest benefit imo. Not the ease of replacement (and definitely lower cost) from any shop like with a tube, but the ability to get a hanger in a wide variety of metal types, thicknesses, etc. Jamis has weak hangers for example; they are thin and brittle. I wish I could replace it with a thicker hanger. And I have been on a few bikes with hangers so thin they became misaligned just from riding hard, never having hit anything.

I have looked into getting custom hangers, and it's not a cheap process. If I had the equipment I'd do a few myself.

On my Titus I now have a nice stainless steel hanger. Anyone who has bent 3-4 $25 hangers in a season can understand why I like steel. All the replacement hangers I have purchased for various bikes over the years have been at least $20 each, btw. That adds up.

 

[binary visions]

Originally posted by fonseca
And that would be the greatest benefit imo. Not the ease of replacement (and definitely lower cost) from any shop like with a tube, but the ability to get a hanger in a wide variety of metal types, thicknesses, etc. Jamis has weak hangers for example; they are thin and brittle. I wish I could replace it with a thicker hanger. And I have been on a few bikes with hangers so thin they became misaligned just from riding hard, never having hit anything.

I have looked into getting custom hangers, and it's not a cheap process. If I had the equipment I'd do a few myself.

On my Titus I now have a nice stainless steel hanger. Anyone who has bent 3-4 $25 hangers in a season can understand why I like steel. All the replacement hangers I have purchased for various bikes over the years have been at least $20 each, btw. That adds up.

You can't find a local machine shop that will do it cheaply? My buddy had some shock mounting hardware machined out for him, certainly close to the material/time a hanger would take, and it was only like $25. That's not a bad price for a steel hanger considering you can just bend it back when it gets whacked.

The hanger that came with my Imperial is steel anyway

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Originally posted by fonseca
And that would be the greatest benefit imo. Not the ease of replacement (and definitely lower cost) from any shop like with a tube, but the ability to get a hanger in a wide variety of metal types, thicknesses, etc. Jamis has weak hangers for example; they are thin and brittle. I wish I could replace it with a thicker hanger. And I have been on a few bikes with hangers so thin they became misaligned just from riding hard, never having hit anything.

I have looked into getting custom hangers, and it's not a cheap process. If I had the equipment I'd do a few myself.

On my Titus I now have a nice stainless steel hanger. Anyone who has bent 3-4 $25 hangers in a season can understand why I like steel. All the replacement hangers I have purchased for various bikes over the years have been at least $20 each, btw. That adds up.

Hangars are cheaper than frames, though, which is why they were invented and why they're soft.

J

 

[fonseca]

I called several machine shops in my area. One said no problem, and seemed ready to do it, but $100 minimum for the work, so I would have had to have a bunch made to make it worthwhile. I tried to drum up a group buy online, but didn't get more than a few people interested.

The other few places I tried didn't really seem like they wanted to mess with it, so at that point I gave up.

Originally posted by johnbryanpeters
Hangars are cheaper than frames, though, which is why they were invented and why they're soft.

But some hangers are not up to the task, and while saving the frame, create other problems. Check the mtbr reviews on Jamis Dakars and you will find dozens and dozens of people complaining about the hanger; that's an example of one that is not durable enough and bends much more easily than it needs to.

The steel hanger I have on my Titus now will still bend before the frame would be damaged, and I can align it and reuse it many times. With aluminum hangers you are lucky to get one reuse out of them, they are so weakened.

I think replacable dropouts are a better idea than hangers. Stiffer, stronger and still protect the frame.

 

[binary visions]

Originally posted by fonseca
I think replacable dropouts are a better idea than hangers. Stiffer, stronger and still protect the frame.