And congratulations on your upcoming ME degree, with a dose of open mindedness and objectivity, it can be a fun bit of knowledge to have. But in the meantime, here's a little homework assignment:kicknitLivE said:Hmmm my banshee never had any brake related jack or lock up in the rear. Wonder why you don't see any bikes of this design with a floating brake option. My ME degree is on schedule, actually.
Hmmm... All that's left to say, is "own3d".shock said:many pictures @ a writeup
not as shocked as they are if they go back to riding without one! well at least thats what convince me to part with my $$shock said:Many people are absolutely shocked when they put a floater on and realise what they thought wasn't there, was in fact very much there, they had just become accustomed to the behaviour and assumed it was normal.
I actaully tried it and I liked the way it felt without a floater mounted but that's just me...I'll see if I can find it for you...DChrisRobin said:It would be cool to try one on a 2003 Nicolai Nucleon ST. It currently squats during hard braking which isn't a really bad thing yet it would nice to try one just for the fun of it.
No kidding...what kind of difference did you notice with the floater on and then back to not having it?BMXman said:I actaully tried it and I liked the way it felt without a floater mounted but that's just me...I'll see if I can find it for you...D
ChrisRobin said:No kidding...what kind of difference did you notice with the floater on and then back to not having it?
Hmmm...adding 2 lbs to a 52 lbs bike...no way. Thanks for the info.BMXman said:that's just it...I couldn't really feel a difference and it added 2 lbs....so I only had it on for a week...D
Yeah I remember reading that article. Obviously alot of pros 1) don't feel that a floater is worth the weight or 2) prefer their bike to squat significantly under braking. Fabien Barel's floating brake geometry actually causes the bike to squat more than if it didn't have a floater.ChrisRobin said:LOL!!! I love this.
The only time I 'heard' that a floating brake wasn't working out was in MountainBikeFiction where the 2003 Giant DH team were trying them out on practice runs. If I remember correctly, a few of them liked it and the others didn't because it would add extra weight and "it's another device that can break" (what could possible go wrong anyway??). Someone feel free to correct me on this...otherwise, I keep hearing people ranting and raving on how much of a difference it makes.
It would be cool to try one on a 2003 Nicolai Nucleon ST. It currently squats during hard braking which isn't a really bad thing yet it would nice to try one just for the fun of it.
Nice looking bike! I love the design of those frames. Looks like you have a mega slack headangle there!Pau11y said:I took my Tomac 204 out for the first time this weekend for a hike-a-bike session. I got a floater for her when I began the build despite James' (Go-Ride) opinion that it doesn't need one. All I can report is she feels exactly like my FSR and Army in the studders despite being a single pivot. Actually, I'm a bit afraid to ride her w/o a floater since I'm going to a single pivot from FSRs and Army/Discos. I couldn't really turn her loose on the section I rode but there was no skipping in the rear at all.
BTW, Brian had to do some special things to get my floater to work, including re-machining the pivot around the 12mm axle. The dude WILL hook you up on CS!
And Brian, I may still visit the Hadley option instead of running the Edco Bigrocks. Think you can hook me up with one on the package price?
Oh just FYI, to whoever it was that posted the cost of a DH frame... You can get the same Tomac 204 for under $1K now from PreOwned Bikes.
All our (Brake Therapy) floaters run about $295, unless there's some special machining, like for the Tomac/Edco hub combo.DHS said:ok, already you have a session 7 floater. thats awsome. how much for the banshee one?
and can i still get the carbon floater arm for my Racelink....
That article was pretty accurate (I was there conducting the test). It went like this..ChrisRobin said:LOL!!! I love this.
The only time I 'heard' that a floating brake wasn't working out was in MountainBikeFiction where the 2003 Giant DH team were trying them out on practice runs. If I remember correctly, a few of them liked it and the others didn't because it would add extra weight and "it's another device that can break" (what could possible go wrong anyway??). Someone feel free to correct me on this...otherwise, I keep hearing people ranting and raving on how much of a difference it makes.
It would be cool to try one on a 2003 Nicolai Nucleon ST. It currently squats during hard braking which isn't a really bad thing yet it would nice to try one just for the fun of it.
Yeah, that was one of th eearly designs known as the unified front and rear triangle. Generaly not known for plushness.The Rose said:Yo MikeD, what you need is a sawzall and a welding rig, that should loosen the rear end up a bit.
Just to clarify, that must've been a floater that Nicolia makes as an option, right? as we don't make one for that bike.BMXman said:that's just it...I couldn't really feel a difference and it added 2 lbs....so I only had it on for a week...D
Again, just to clarify, you're talking about putting it on the Nicolai, and not your Deisel, right?BMXman said:that's just it...I couldn't really feel a difference and it added 2 lbs....so I only had it on for a week...D
Glad you finally got a chance to ride that thing! Let me know when you're ready to go Hadley, we'll get you hooked up.Pau11y said:I took my Tomac 204 out for the first time this weekend for a hike-a-bike session. I got a floater for her when I began the build despite James' (Go-Ride) opinion that it doesn't need one. All I can report is she feels exactly like my FSR and Army in the studders despite being a single pivot. Actually, I'm a bit afraid to ride her w/o a floater since I'm going to a single pivot from FSRs and Army/Discos. I couldn't really turn her loose on the section I rode but there was no skipping in the rear at all.
BTW, Brian had to do some special things to get my floater to work, including re-machining the pivot around the 12mm axle. The dude WILL hook you up on CS!
And Brian, I may still visit the Hadley option instead of running the Edco Bigrocks. Think you can hook me up with one on the package price?
Oh just FYI, to whoever it was that posted the cost of a DH frame... You can get the same Tomac 204 for under $1K now from PreOwned Bikes.
Again, of course I'm biased, but I think the weight issue is kind of overblown (at least with our floaters, I don't know about 2 pound nicolia floaters). No one has EVER mentioned to me that the bike feels heavier, or too heavy, or that they notice the weight when adding the floater. And they always go faster with it.WheelieMan said:Yeah I remember reading that article. Obviously alot of pros 1) don't feel that a floater is worth the weight or 2) prefer their bike to squat significantly under braking. Fabien Barel's floating brake geometry actually causes the bike to squat more than if it didn't have a floater.
Feh, and Weagle says Evil bikes are high-tech.shock said:Yeah, that was one of th eearly designs known as the unified front and rear triangle. Generaly not known for plushness.
You're supposed to use bolts on your caliper?? Uh-oh... er, rather, I'm right with you.shock said:Try taking the caliper bolts out, that should let it float enough so you don't feel it when you hit the brakes