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Recommend me a snowboard.
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the right board depends on loads of variables stosh... i m assuming you are a noob boarder yeah ??... you live in the n/e if i remember correctly...
-what size shoe do you wear?
- what do you weigh ?
- how tall are you ?
- what type of riding are you into ? - more than likely all mtn kinda stuff (again i m assuming)...
ever skateboarded or surfed... have you ever ridden skis and i so how would you rate yaself ??
i ll do my best to give ya some recommendations... snowboarding rules
edit - just read back a little - skc and trans are on the money... a burton custom is perhaps a little too much board for ya ??!@#$^@#% also to the element by arbor... better boards for later when you ve got good grounding in riding...
-what size shoe do you wear?
- what do you weigh ?
- how tall are you ?
- what type of riding are you into ? - more than likely all mtn kinda stuff (again i m assuming)...
ever skateboarded or surfed... have you ever ridden skis and i so how would you rate yaself ??
i ll do my best to give ya some recommendations... snowboarding rules
edit - just read back a little - skc and trans are on the money... a burton custom is perhaps a little too much board for ya ??!@#$^@#% also to the element by arbor... better boards for later when you ve got good grounding in riding...
Anybody else have opinions on Arbor boards?
I'm looking for a new board right now and have pretty much narrowed it down to either the A-Frame/Element (pending on $$$), and the Timeless.
Also as far as size, I'm about 6'4" and 205#. Been riding for the last 9-10 years and have had a 161 Ride Fleetwood for the last 4-6 (who knows...). For terrain I primarily ride bowls, trees, moguls, corduroy, steeps, pow, etc... (Hey, I live in CO
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Would a 168 Timeless fit the bill? The local ski shop has one and it sizes up quite nicely, not sure if it'll be too stiff for moguls and stuff though...
I'm looking for a new board right now and have pretty much narrowed it down to either the A-Frame/Element (pending on $$$), and the Timeless.
Also as far as size, I'm about 6'4" and 205#. Been riding for the last 9-10 years and have had a 161 Ride Fleetwood for the last 4-6 (who knows...). For terrain I primarily ride bowls, trees, moguls, corduroy, steeps, pow, etc... (Hey, I live in CO
)Would a 168 Timeless fit the bill? The local ski shop has one and it sizes up quite nicely, not sure if it'll be too stiff for moguls and stuff though...
arbor make sick boards... i ride a 168 abacus on pow days... very nice... ususally in rollin on a nitro pantera MW 167... early / late season basher is an old ride yukon (same frame as timeless just wider for big feet)Anybody else have opinions on Arbor boards?
I'm looking for a new board right now and have pretty much narrowed it down to either the A-Frame/Element (pending on $$$), and the Timeless.
Also as far as size, I'm about 6'4" and 205#. Been riding for the last 9-10 years and have had a 161 Ride Fleetwood for the last 4-6 (who knows...). For terrain I primarily ride bowls, trees, moguls, corduroy, steeps, pow, etc... (Hey, I live in CO
Would a 168 Timeless fit the bill? The local ski shop has one and it sizes up quite nicely, not sure if it'll be too stiff for moguls and stuff though...
i have a rossi from 96/97 the seaone. was/is a phenomenal board, still carves beautifully, so much fun....even though i got a new salomon burner i still ride the rossi and love it...jsut a fun board, and has held up great, dropped it the first season i got it and split the sidewall a bit, seperating the base, about a half inch to an inch into the deck.....ten years later and it hasnt changed. they are making great stuff and have the construction part down since they have been making skiis for ages (doesnt reflect on ride, but does on how to construct the stuff). but yeah they are good too, at least at the higher end.
who rides moguls on a board
... 168 sounds about right... i d prefer the element over the timeless... couldn t really go wrong with either.. go with the one you can get a better deal on...
Unlucky bastards who don't live in CO....who rides moguls on a board
Moguls are a blast, and a good way to skip crowds. If you try to ride them like a skier would, by turning such that you're almost going straight down. Absolutely amazing (assuming they're not icy). 
Are there any decent Arbor dealers online? I don't think there are any dealers near me unfortunately.
Are there any decent Arbor dealers online? I don't think there are any dealers near me unfortunately.
You want a good mogul run? get a 158 and hit up "Too much" at copper. you will be crying by the time you hit the superbee. So amazing.
I figure if I'm going to plan on doing nothing but moguls I'll use my old 161 Fleetwood, or my 156 Kink (I suck at park, but it's fun to try).
I've actually never been to Copper so I'll have to check it out this season. I really enjoy Geronimo at Keystone for mogul runs.
I've actually never been to Copper so I'll have to check it out this season. I really enjoy Geronimo at Keystone for mogul runs.
moguls are the last thing i look for when on my board... either way, it s all riding... have a safe winter out there folks !!
I think too much is one of the longest moguls runs in North America if I remember correctly. You WILL feel the burn.I figure if I'm going to plan on doing nothing but moguls I'll use my old 161 Fleetwood, or my 156 Kink (I suck at park, but it's fun to try).
I've actually never been to Copper so I'll have to check it out this season. I really enjoy Geronimo at Keystone for mogul runs.
I love copper, had a pass out there for 3 years running when I lived there. So much variety to the terrain.
I love moguls for a good workout run, when you really wanna get the blood flowing and legs burning. Sorta like a hard training day on a bike. Just push as hard as possible, down low and pumping the entire time.
I've had a hard time getting to the parking lot walking somedays after doing that. Rubber legs.
Exactly. I find that if I'm not planning on staying a full day for some reason or another, and especially after corduroy gets ridden down, lift lines pick up, and fresh snow gets worn off... moguls hit the spot. One of the most challenging things a snowboarder can aim to do well in my opinion (for those of us who aren't park enthusiasts).
The hardest part about trying to hit moguls really fast is that unlike skiers we have to ride in the trough thing between them, instead of bouncing between them.
The hardest part about trying to hit moguls really fast is that unlike skiers we have to ride in the trough thing between them, instead of bouncing between them.
I would recommend Far East of Triple Treat. More vert & usually better snow conditions.
S.S. I think we might have to go up skiing this year.
Maybe even some backcountry on Loveland or something before the season starts up.
Maybe even some backcountry on Loveland or something before the season starts up.
Their bindings work nice but I won't be getting plastic ones next time. I broke my highback and I have heard that alot of their bindings break pretty easy.
The longest mogul runs in Summit County are at Keystone off North Peak. Telluride has a few bump runs down the front side over 3K vert. *KILLER* good bump runs, those.
Copper kicks ass. Too bad it's up I70.
since we are on the subject of boarding moguls, anyone here get foot cramps after riding moguls for a while? my feet always kill me after i go down a mogul run or a bumped out tree run. then again i also suck at riding moguls because the moguls are always too icy to board them and i find it extremely boring when the moguls are in good shape.
Psh, you must not have good moguls then. Good moguls are evenly distributed, have nice decent sized troughs between them (maybe 2feet +/- some), and don't have that nasty glaze of hardpack on them.
My thighs and calves are usually what give out on me after hours of riding moguls.
My thighs and calves are usually what give out on me after hours of riding moguls.
Hmm ok, I will have to hit those up this winter. I70 is beyond a drag. I do not miss having to get up at 5am in order to beat traffic up the highway.The longest mogul runs in Summit County are at Keystone off North Peak. Telluride has a few bump runs down the front side over 3K vert. *KILLER* good bump runs, those.
Copper kicks ass. Too bad it's up I70.
Moguls out east != moguls out west. I am pretty much over riding at all out here. No terrain, crappy snow, too cold and too much ice.
Nice dry champagne powder is where it's at. Proper moguls, after a nice fresh dump are things of beauty.
As for foot cramps, you may want to change your riding position if you intend of riding bumps. I never ride my park board in them, only my BX board, where i am almost have a carving stance. Your feet take much less strain this way.
You are not kidding. On a powder day there is *no* warmup at Mary Jane due to the need to lay first tracks down one of the great bump runs of all time: Drunken Frenchman. It hurts, but it hurts sooooooo good.
Here are some nice pics of powder & bumps:
Cat Dancer, Powder Cap, Ambush. Don't go if it's not a good snow day, though.
The penultimate bump run is Kant-Mak-M to Mine Shaft at T'ride. 3100 feet of thigh-destroying bumpy goodness.
So far Parts and Transcend have definately been the ones asking the correct questions. The BIGGEST one, that i have not seen answered is 'what size shoe do you wear?'.
Boards come in different widths for different foot sizes and to some extent, foot placement.
That old Kink in the ebay ad is about three years old. It also has a few issues that make it only so-so for your climate. The top is DENIM, yes that is correct, 100% cotton denim top sheet. It is not durable, and will snow and ice to stick, making for a very heavy board. The kink is also quite soft in flex. It is an easy ride and will be fun at low speeds and park 'fun' but it will let you down at any speed freeriding on the hard pack.
There are LOTS of great board brands out there, but a lot of the brands ride differently. Some are more lively and 'poppy' while other brands are more stable at speed and have a more solid feel. If you care, there are still some companies making boards domestically vs china. Nothing agains the over-seas brands, i just think they should be priced accordingly, not MORE that domestic..).
Been riding since 1985, and in the biz (buyer/manager) for almost 15 years up until 1 1/2 years ago (back to school)
Boards come in different widths for different foot sizes and to some extent, foot placement.
That old Kink in the ebay ad is about three years old. It also has a few issues that make it only so-so for your climate. The top is DENIM, yes that is correct, 100% cotton denim top sheet. It is not durable, and will snow and ice to stick, making for a very heavy board. The kink is also quite soft in flex. It is an easy ride and will be fun at low speeds and park 'fun' but it will let you down at any speed freeriding on the hard pack.
There are LOTS of great board brands out there, but a lot of the brands ride differently. Some are more lively and 'poppy' while other brands are more stable at speed and have a more solid feel. If you care, there are still some companies making boards domestically vs china. Nothing agains the over-seas brands, i just think they should be priced accordingly, not MORE that domestic..).
Been riding since 1985, and in the biz (buyer/manager) for almost 15 years up until 1 1/2 years ago (back to school)
well i never really plan to ride moguls. sometimes i just have to go down them before/after a good run. could it be that my setup is too flexy so my feet get moved around so much they cramp up? my bindings aren't all that stiff so they flex alot when riding moguls.
Did you get the Breck pass again this year? We've got Mary Jane passes.....S.S. I think we might have to go up skiing this year.
Maybe even some backcountry on Loveland or something before the season starts up.
I think that you will find the arbor to be a more frendly ride and also better suited to true 'all mt' cruising. The latest incarnations of the timeless have been very stiff. IMHO the majority of the high - end ride boards have a more skittish - hi energy type feel to them. They feel nervous to me. If you are 'on top' of the board, that feel will give back lots of pop and energy, but if you want to relax and cruise a little, the timeless might bite back.Anybody else have opinions on Arbor boards?
I'm looking for a new board right now and have pretty much narrowed it down to either the A-Frame/Element (pending on $$$), and the Timeless.
Also as far as size, I'm about 6'4" and 205#. Been riding for the last 9-10 years and have had a 161 Ride Fleetwood for the last 4-6 (who knows...). For terrain I primarily ride bowls, trees, moguls, corduroy, steeps, pow, etc... (Hey, I live in CO
Would a 168 Timeless fit the bill? The local ski shop has one and it sizes up quite nicely, not sure if it'll be too stiff for moguls and stuff though...
Some of the high end Nitro and Option boards offer the stiff agressive nature w/o the twitchy/nervous feel. Definately some of my favorite agressive fast all mt boards..
Ultimate in poppy boards, Palmer carbon circles BX board. Flexy enough to make up for some botched (typical) BX landing, but snappy enough to blast you out of corners and off lips. It railed in the backcountry too...
Very true with the foot angle. An 'across the board' stance will not sork so well when you are trying to change directions fast like in the bumps. Foreward stance and a norrow board are the ticket for bumps, BX, and carving
A lot of foot cramps are boot related. A supportive, snug, good fitting boot is the key foundation, but other things can help. Find a SPECIALTY snowboard shop that is knowledgable in boot fit and just ask them to help you check your fit. Just remember the info is only going to be as good as the employee is knowledgable. Find a shop that know their $hit, not a mall chain store!!
I would try a good custom foot bed from a shop that knows how to make them for SNOWBOARD boots. You want something supportive but NOT super stiff and unflexible like most ski orthotics. Try something like the Sole custom foot beds. Any decient shop will guarantee their boot work, and if the foot beds dont work, they will give you your $$ back.
Yup, boot issues are probably the #1 problem that keeps people from enjoying snowboarding. Make sure you go to a GOOD snowboard shop. Not some sporting chain. Shops that tend to stock burton customs, palmer, etc ie: really high end stuff, are usually pretty good at this.
I am running sole stuff in my boots and love it. Made a HUGE difference as I used to get arch cramps on the first run of the day.
I also run ridiculously stiff boots that were actually designed for women (I have narrow feet, and i slid all over in vans/burton boots for men). Throw in some technine pro bindings and it really can't get any stiffer in a soft boot config.
I am running sole stuff in my boots and love it. Made a HUGE difference as I used to get arch cramps on the first run of the day.
I also run ridiculously stiff boots that were actually designed for women (I have narrow feet, and i slid all over in vans/burton boots for men). Throw in some technine pro bindings and it really can't get any stiffer in a soft boot config.
Ya, the power plates make a decent amount of difference if you have big boots and need to spread it out. I have size 7 boots and fit perfectly on the board. It has a TINY waist for railing corner, so it can be an issue. The carbon honeycomb makes it super light, and the 2 carbon strips and top coat are absurd for kicking you out of berms. I use my original race board as a rock board now, but it still has 90% of the snap it had when i first got it, incredible. First boards to ever use CF in them in this way, I believe. Of course at almost $1000 for a deck, they cost more than most snowboarders cars.
It';s a killer board on race courses (clearly), groomers, singletrack style woods runs etc. It destroys in powder due to a nice big nose and tail and tiny waist. It was also surprisingly agile in the park due to being super low weight and actually had a decent amount of flex for rails, but being 5'5" and 145 I had issues cranking it around at 158cms.
I love this board so much that i asked for 3 when i raced for them. Good thing, as the carbon circles BX model is now out of production, but I still have 2 squirrelled away in their original plastic and factory wax.
The only thing stiffer was the channels ti board which was beyond anything sensible. I could barely flex it. It had 2 ti rails down the middle of the board with a flex zone in it in addition to the carbon honeycomb. When it popped, it could take out teeth when demoing it in the shop.
Yeah we have the Colorado pass. But I heard MJ just got a new lift( details???) so I'm planning on going there as well, perhaps buying a 4pack.
for sure... my nitro pantera is the best board i ve ever ridden... not as stiff as my ride yukon, much more forgiving but a better snap out of corners... shes on rails... it s on the far right... 05/06 model..
this is me testing it in solden, austria 12 months ago... demo day... i was going to get an arbor roundhouse... thankfully i came to my senses and i was lucky enough to land myself 2 new sleds last winter...
salomon malamutes for me, stiffest that i could find, and fit me like a glove. Gotta remember, ALL boots will soften up a little when you wear them. We used to sell a lot of womens models to guys with small feet. If you have a mens 7 or so, good chance that your foot is narrow as well. In fact when buying for the store, i always needed, and bought, some high-end womens boots in 'man friendly colors' for just that reason.
Fraser, are you planning on doing much CO boarding this season?
What do you think of your Yukon? One of the local shops has a few from last year at decent prices.for sure... my nitro pantera is the best board i ve ever ridden... not as stiff as my ride yukon, much more forgiving but a better snap out of corners... shes on rails... it s on the far right... 05/06 model..
this is me testing it in solden, austria 12 months ago... demo day... i was going to get an arbor roundhouse... thankfully i came to my senses and i was lucky enough to land myself 2 new sleds last winter...
same boots for me... they are so awesome...
the yukon is a nice board... but i think it s a *little* too stiff... the pantera is way more forgiving but you can still ride it harder (push it harder in turns)... it s funny... the yukon is so stiff that it beats you up... the nitro is a much better board...
edit - the nitro is a tad slimmer as well... it transitions from rail to rail faster... i can pump (rail to rail) this board like i m surfing picking up speed... with the yukon is more the board taking you for a ride... more like a malibu surfboard... thats my feeling anyway... these days my snowboarding is mtn surfing...
bring on the snow !!
edit - the nitro is a tad slimmer as well... it transitions from rail to rail faster... i can pump (rail to rail) this board like i m surfing picking up speed... with the yukon is more the board taking you for a ride... more like a malibu surfboard... thats my feeling anyway... these days my snowboarding is mtn surfing
...bring on the snow !!