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Recruiting at high schools debated

MikeD

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/227497_paynter08.html

When Marine recruiters go way beyond the call

By SUSAN PAYNTER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER COLUMNIST

For mom Marcia Cobb and her teenage son Axel, the white letters USMC on their caller ID soon spelled, "Don't answer the phone!"

Marine recruiters began a relentless barrage of calls to Axel as soon as the mellow, compliant Sedro-Woolley High School grad had cut his 17th birthday cake. And soon it was nearly impossible to get the seekers of a few good men off the line.

With early and late calls ringing in their ears, Marcia tried using call blocking. And that's when she learned her first hard lesson. You can't block calls from the government, her server said. So, after pleas to "Please stop calling" went unanswered, the family's "do not answer" order ensued.

But warnings and liquid crystal lettering can fade. So, two weeks ago when Marcia was cooking dinner Axel goofed and answered the call. And, faster than you can say "semper fi," an odyssey kicked into action that illustrates just how desperate some of the recruiters we've read about really are to fill severely sagging quotas.

Let what we learned serve as a warning to other moms, dads and teens, the Cobbs now say. Even if your kids actually may want to join the military, if they hope to do it on their own terms, after a deep breath and due consideration, repeat these words after them: "No," "Not now" and "Back off!"

"I've been trained to be pretty friendly. I guess you might even say I'm kind of passive," Axel told me last week, just after his mother and older sister had tracked him to a Seattle testing center and sprung him on a ruse.

The next step of Axel's misadventure came when he heard about a cool "chin-ups" contest in Bellingham, where the prize was a free Xbox. The now 18-year-old Skagit Valley Community College student dragged his tail feathers home uncharacteristically late that night. And, in the morning, Marcia learned the Marines had hosted the event and "then had him out all night, drilling him to join."

A single mom with a meager income, Marcia raised her kids on the farm where, until recently, she grew salad greens for restaurants.

Axel's father, a Marine Corps vet who served in Vietnam, died when Axel was 4.

Clearly the recruiters knew all that and more.

"You don't want to be a burden to your mom," they told him. "Be a man." "Make your father proud." Never mind that, because of his own experience in the service, Marcia says enlistment for his son is the last thing Axel's dad would have wanted.

The next weekend, when Marcia went to Seattle for the Folklife Festival and Axel was home alone, two recruiters showed up at the door.

Axel repeated the family mantra, but he was feeling frazzled and worn down by then. The sergeant was friendly but, at the same time, aggressively insistent. This time, when Axel said, "Not interested," the sarge turned surly, snapping, "You're making a big (bleeping) mistake!"

Next thing Axel knew, the same sergeant and another recruiter showed up at the LaConner Brewing Co., the restaurant where Axel works. And before Axel, an older cousin and other co-workers knew or understood what was happening, Axel was whisked away in a car.

"They said we were going somewhere but I didn't know we were going all the way to Seattle," Axel said.

Just a few tests. And so many free opportunities, the recruiters told him.

He could pursue his love of chemistry. He could serve anywhere he chose and leave any time he wanted on an "apathy discharge" if he didn't like it. And he wouldn't have to go to Iraq if he didn't want to.

At about 3:30 in the morning, Alex was awakened in the motel and fed a little something. Twelve hours later, without further sleep or food, he had taken a battery of tests and signed a lot of papers he hadn't gotten a chance to read. "Just formalities," he was told. "Sign here. And here. Nothing to worry about."

By then Marcia had "freaked out."

She went to the Burlington recruiting center where the door was open but no one was home. So she grabbed all the cards and numbers she could find, including the address of the Seattle-area testing center.

Then, with her grown daughter in tow, she high-tailed it south, frantically phoning Axel whose cell phone had been confiscated "so he wouldn't be distracted during tests."

Axel's grandfather was in the hospital dying, she told the people at the desk. He needed to come home right away. She would have said just about anything.

But, even after being told her son would be brought right out, her daughter spied him being taken down a separate hall and into another room. So she dashed down the hall and grabbed him by the arm.

"They were telling me I needed to 'be a man' and stand up to my family," Axel said.

What he needed, it turned out, was a lawyer.

Five minutes and $250 after an attorney called the recruiters, Axel's signed papers and his cell phone were in the mail.

My request to speak with the sergeant who recruited Axel and with the Burlington office about recruitment procedures went unanswered.

And so should your phone, Marcia Cobb advised. Take your own sweet time. Keep your own counsel. And, if you see USMC on caller ID, remember what answering the call could mean.
 

MikeD

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Oooh, a followup column, too:

Zealous Marines get readers' attention

By SUSAN PAYNTER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER COLUMNIST

More than a few proud former Marines saw the actions of a couple of zealous Marine recruiters as falling just short of trying to shanghai a Sedro-Woolley teen into the corps.

BACKGROUND

See Susan's original column on this story.

A year of relentless phone calls followed by drop-in visits, culminating in a trip to Seattle for the boy who tried to say no was the topic of Wednesday's column. The recruiters' actions tarnish this otherwise sterling branch of service, scores of them said.

"I have to wonder about the difference between refusing to go with someone and having them bully you into it until you do," Geoff Howland wrote.

"Wasn't this akin to kidnapping?" asked Don Carter and at least two dozen more who said that constantly berating a kid to "be a man" and accusing him of being "a burden" to his low-income single mom smacked of Gitmo-style "psy-ops."

It wasn't kidnapping. The kid is 18 and admittedly passive, eager to please and reluctant to argue. And he wasn't taken against his will. He just didn't know where he was going, that he'd end up in a Seattle motel room overnight. Or face a barrage of tests with little sleep or food in a center where the military seemed too daunting to resist.

With feelings about military recruiters in our high schools running hot, many, Gregory Gadow, Ted Fitch and others included, called for action against the recruiters (who did not return requests for interviews), for going beyond the call to fill their quotas.

But just as many readers went on the attack against the boy, his family and this column, charging that even questioning the recruiters' tactics is sickeningly unpatriotic.

They accused the teen, his mother, and the other relatives and friends who witnessed pieces of Axel's experience of lying. They called the boy a wimp and worse. And, without knowing anything about her, they called his mother a control freak for tracking her boy to Seattle and, with her daughter's help, springing him from the testing center.

So far, nearly 140 readers have weighed in on the odyssey of Axel, at least a dozen of them derisively evoking a mother's "apron strings."

He had to run away from his own mother to join the Marines and so did his son, wrote Michael G. Jackson, Col., USMC (retired). Who signed off with: "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's in English, thank a U.S. Marine."

"How come thick-skulled liberals can't comprehend that rights and liberties they enjoy owe their origin and preservation to the military?" Michael Velikin asked.

"You extreme left-wingers who hate the military should remember you are able to spread your slime because our military served to protect that right," Don Clayton wrote.

Torkel Clark, USN (retired), blamed Axel's mom, Marcia, for NOT acting sooner, the moment her then-17-year-old started getting unwanted phone calls, saying the actions of the recruiters sound like "a Moonie cult from the '70s."

And, after 12 years as a U.S. Army recruiter, Lonnie Dotson offered these tips (assuming that the teen truly does not want to join):

"Call the recruiting station commander, the recruiters' commanding officer and/or the command sergeant major and complain.

Call or write your elected official -- the military will drop everything to respond.

Fail the written test on purpose.

Fail the physical, tell the recruiters you take mind-altering drugs, or that you're a convicted felon waiting for your parole to finish.

And lastly, call a reporter."

Navy veteran Lee R. Swanson countered, "My recruiters always told me the truth." And other vets insisted that such coercion simply doesn't happen. But an equal number said they'd heard of, or experienced, similar tactics and implausible blue-sky promises.

A veteran whose son is in the Air Force, Joe Teeples tells the bitter joke about the paratrooper told by his recruiter that he'd get a bonus plus two parachutes for every jump. On the way down, as the first and the second chutes don't open, the jumper says, "That recruiter probably lied about the trucks that were going to pick us up, too!"

"I had actually been accepted to a maritime academy and had won an ROTC scholarship," the Rev. James Olson said. "But this Marine recruiter wouldn't leave me alone. ... So I told the recruiter that I was gay and he shouted a bunch of expletives at me about wasting his time and leading him on. But he did stop calling! Funny thing is, it turns out I really was gay, but hadn't figured it out at the time."

Axel's former math teacher and coach at Cascade Middle School in Sedro-Woolley, Jim Morrell, is all for supporting the military. "Our guys in Iraq are doing a job that few want to do. They deserve our unwavering support. But lawlessness is not patriotism."

He was "appalled" at what happened and disputes the notion that his former student actually wanted to join the Marines if only his mother had let him.

"Axel's nature was one of a kind, gentle kid and about the last thing I could see him doing would be joining the Marines," Morrell said.

And, finally, for those who asked, Axel is not on his way to boot camp. He's home, attending Skagit Valley Community College, and still hoping to study chemistry -- in civilian clothes.
 
I'd like to point one thing out about the Army and it's populace.

Last year there on the list for promotion to E7 there were over 10K names that were eligible. The selection board selected over 4K of them to be promoted to Sergeant First Class. Now, in my 13 years in the Army, I have NEVER seen that many make the promotion list. We in the army know its because the vast majority of the people that were E7 dropped their retirement paperwork in order to avoid doing a tour or a second tour in Iraq. When you stack this fact up next to the fact that the Army is going to fall about 50K short of it's recruitment goal for the year, I think that its time to reevaluate our role in the world. We slipping on recuitment numbers and we all know where this COULD end up...
 

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An excellent point, and certainly one that would make an interesting investigative report.

There were times when I was in the CG when the enlisted ranks got a bit top-heavy and there were similar periods of exodus due to frusterations on a number of fronts. Some related to promotions, some due to changes in missions, sea/shore rotation changes etc.
I can totally see though why someone with 20 in the bag would want to go ahead and retire. At that point many people have teenagers that they want to see graduate, and are looking toward second careers. Kinda hard to go to school, work toward finding a destination for one's second life etc when you are on the other side of the world.
 

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dhtahoe said:
No because it think they let it happen. I work in aviation. I can say first hand that this whole increased security at airports is a joke.
Why thank you. :D Take note, disbelievers.
 

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MikeD said:
You're still hiding behind the idea of a 'liberal media' which has an 'agenda' to prosecute. In this case, the important story is that there are huge and time-critical shortfalls with the Army, regardless of what the other services are going through, so I don't see it as a liberal conspiracy, just an attempt-as you say-to put something salable out there to the short-attention span public.

And liberals blame the media for not being critical enough in its views of the world. Everyone's angry when media doesn't push their particular agenda.

Totally agree that the media in general puts out watered-down pablum. It does lack in critique, commentary, and investigation. But that's the result of the free-market system and consumer culture which has made McDonald's the most successful food on the planet. It's a just a product; it's McNews.

MD
Good post.

Hey DT I've had 'Impeach Bush' as a custom search term on Google News for a few days now, and nearly everyday my top results are from deep rightwing sites like redstate.org and theconservativevoice.com. What was that you were saying?
 

Damn True

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I see I need to draw another map.

Step 1, scroll back and read.
Step 2, attempt to comprehend the entirety of my posts on the matter.

You will find that my opinions on the matter are nonpartisan and hold both liberal and conservative media organizations equally culpable.
 

Changleen

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Well I'm glad you've seen the light. Just the other day you were trying to convince everyone Google News is liberal biased something rotten.
 

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Well this is subject is out of the context of this particular thread, but the I believe Stinkles argument was that they let through sites and news items which support their agenda. The topics of the stories you have found would support that argument.
 

Changleen

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Damn True said:
Well this is subject is out of the context of this particular thread, but the I believe Stinkles argument was that they let through sites and news items which support their agenda. The topics of the stories you have found would support that argument.
So by allowing sites to be referenced in their top results which offer rebutals of the case to impeach Bush they are supporting their liberal agenda? :confused: :thumb:
 
Its a joke for the average civiliam trying to fly anywhere. BUT Try being a serviceman coming home on leave after fighting in Iraq for 8 months. I swear I had every piece of my body scanned atleast 4 times. They got ANAL stupid with us when we got to Baltimore from Kuwait. It got so stupid that a friend of mine had to show them the surgical scar where he had 2 pins put in his neck 4 years ago. They had us dump out bags out and search us both coming home AND leaving to go back. WIsh they'd put that much effort into the average person's luggage.
 

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Some students, who may not be planning to attend college, need some direction. While I don't agree with how pushy those recruiters can be, I think they should visit schools and talk to students who are not college bound...