[DRB]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6618051/

The article said the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has determined the U.S. military used psychological and physical coercion “tantamount to torture.”

It said ICRC delegates found during a June visit to Guantanamo that U.S. authorities had devised and refined a system to break the will of the prisoners, using humiliation, solitary confinement, temperature extremes and force positions.

“We have voiced concern including in public that there are significant problems which need to be addressed at Guantanamo Bay in terms of conditions and treatment of the persons there,” said Antonella Notari, chief spokeswoman for the ICRC.

“We continue our discussions with the U.S. authorities in this regard,” she added, but said the agency was sticking to its policy of discussing the details of its findings with U.S. officials because it found the confidential approach achieved results.

At what point does the continued interrogation of these "detainees" become conunter productive.... (better yet it has).... so why not stop it? I'm not saying let them go but quit messing with them. I just can't believe that at this point any new information could be discovered that would be of any use.

 

[Echo]

I'm guessing if they aren't singing by now, they probably aren't gonna...

 

[Changleen]

Agreed. The whole thing is now just making the US and the west look bad. Time to end it. As Echo said, it's no longer helping.

 

[mack]

Yeah, what the hell. They complain about our nice facilities yet dont say a word about the torture that goes on in Saudi Arabia and other middle east women countries, not to mension the women opression there. Did you know that women can even drive, and have to have a male escort if they travel.

And heres another good one, if you hit a car and the other driver is killed, or, even if he HIT YOU, you can be thrown in prisson for the rest of your life as long as the deceased family says so.

its all a bunch of BS politics... and they media will have a run with it for sure.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Agreed. The whole thing is now just making the US and the west look bad. Time to end it. As Echo said, it's no longer helping.

you mean go ahead and execute them?

 

[Slugman]

you mean go ahead and execute them?

Off with their heads!

 

[Changleen]

Yeah, what the hell. They complain about our nice facilities yet dont say a word about the torture that goes on in Saudi Arabia and other middle east women countries, not to mension the women opression there. Did you know that women can even drive, and have to have a male escort if they travel.

And heres another good one, if you hit a car and the other driver is killed, or, even if he HIT YOU, you can be thrown in prisson for the rest of your life as long as the deceased family says so.

its all a bunch of BS politics... and they media will have a run with it for sure.

Do you have a clue what you're talking about or do you just randomly write stuff?

 

[Changleen]

you mean go ahead and execute them?

Astute as normal, Shirley. Why not invite the world's media and have a televised sponsored killandtorturetodeath-a-thon to raise money for WMD development?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Astute as normal, Shirley. Why not invite the world's media and have a televised sponsored killandtorturetodeath-a-thon to raise money for WMD development?

Isnt that what Al-Jazeera does every day?

 

[DRB]

Yeah, what the hell. They complain about our nice facilities yet dont say a word about the torture that goes on in Saudi Arabia and other middle east women countries, not to mension the women opression there. Did you know that women can even drive, and have to have a male escort if they travel.

And heres another good one, if you hit a car and the other driver is killed, or, even if he HIT YOU, you can be thrown in prisson for the rest of your life as long as the deceased family says so.

its all a bunch of BS politics... and they media will have a run with it for sure.

We weren't talking about Saudi Arabia, we are talking about the America. Wouldn't you expect more from the US?

 

[Changleen]

Isnt that what Al-Jazeera does every day?

Wow, Is your standard response now to ask a question about something completely off-topic which is based on a false premis?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Wow, Is your standard response now to ask a question about something completely off-topic which is based on a false premis?

Well since you've decided to side with the Muslim Extremists, I thought it was appropriate given that they do the exact thing that you suggested with their media.

 

[Changleen]

Well since you've decided to side with the Muslim Extremists, I thought it was appropriate given that they do the exact thing that you suggested with their media.

What, you mean report what America is actually doing? Hell, American friendly media are so scared about the shaky pile of lies they've built for themselves that they can't even report a press release from their 'enemy' without chopping it up and distorting it. Ah! Run from the scary words!

 

[BurlyShirley]

What, you mean report what America is actually doing? Hell, American friendly media are so scared about the shaky pile of lies they've built for themselves that they can't even report a press release from their 'enemy' without chopping it up and distorting it. Ah! Run from the scary words!

No, I mean showing beheadings on TV and other pro-islamic fundamentalist crap that drums up support and money for terrorists. Kidnappers know they'll get airtime anytime they hack a head, so IMO, that Al Jazeera contributing to terrorism by perpetuating that sick sh!t.

And the very fact that you take the sh!tpile of lies put out by Al-Queda as a simple press release shows where your sensibilities lie (which coencidentally is the same place as all your conspiracy theory crap), way out in left field with no bearing on reality. Your thread about "the mission of Al Queda" is bogus in its own right, as true Jihadi's, if they had their way, would stop at nothing but a worldwide muslim fundamentalist govt. resembling something from the 8th century.

Pull your head out you a$$ sometime. Please.

 

[Changleen]

No, I mean showing beheadings on TV and other pro-islamic fundamentalist crap that drums up support and money for terrorists. Kidnappers know they'll get airtime anytime they hack a head, so IMO, that Al Jazeera contributing to terrorism by perpetuating that sick sh!t.

I think Burly, that the support for Islamic fundamentalism may have caused slightly more by the US invading Iraq for no good reason and the unreserved support for Israel's butching of the Palestinians.

And the very fact that you take the sh!tpile of lies put out by Al-Queda as a simple press release shows where your sensibilities lie (which coencidentally is the same place as all your conspiracy theory crap), way out in left field with no bearing on reality.

So reporting what someone actually said is a 'sh!tpiles of lies' is it? As a pose to Fox News editing more than 3/4s of it out and distorting the translation so badly the meaning is changed?

Your thread about "the mission of Al Queda" is bogus in its own right, as true Jihadi's, if they had their way, would stop at nothing but a worldwide muslim fundamentalist govt. resembling something from the 8th century.

I think you're getting the mission statements of Al Qaeda and the Neo Conservatives confused again. Just beacuse Muslims identify all Muslim countries as the 'Muslim state' doesn't mean they want to take over the world.

 

[BurlyShirley]

I think Burly, that the support for Islamic fundamentalism may have caused slightly more by the US invading Iraq for no good reason and the unreserved support for Israel's butching of the Palestinians.

Way to completely ignore my point about what Al-Jazeera does wrong and why it's not a credible news source. You bitch about Fox, and then give Al-Jazeera a free pass becuase you're a Bin Laden apologist.

So reporting what someone actually said is a 'sh!tpiles of lies' is it? As a pose to Fox News editing more than 3/4s of it out and distorting the translation so badly the meaning is changed?

Have you ever heard me support fox news? Does this compare at all to what Al-Jazeera has done to cause the beheadings of hostages? Do you not understand why your stance on this is so retarded?

I think you're getting the mission statements of Al Qaeda and the Neo Conservatives confused again. Just beacuse Muslims identify all Muslim countries as the 'Muslim state' doesn't mean they want to take over the world.

Explain Jihad to me, please.

 

[mack]

I was just putting it into perspective for other people. And show how the red cross is wasting their time investigating our jails, they should have better things to do.

 

[DRB]

I was just putting it into perspective for other people. And show how the red cross is wasting their time investigating our jails, they should have better things to do.

No its not a waste of their time, its their job.

Again shouldn't we be able to expect better from the US?