[RenegadeRick]

Don't miss the next Republican Debate, Wednesday November 28 at 8pm EST on CNN.

Yet another chance for Ron Paul to explain why we need to end the war in Iraq...
and for the rest to explain why we should invade Iran right away.

 

[X3pilot]

Debates are on as much as wrestling these days, just no silicon enhanced boobies cage wrestling in thongs.

 

[JohnE]

Now...that would get my attention...

 

[ire]

They just say the same thing every time, what's the point in watching?

 

[RenegadeRick]

They just say the same thing every time, what's the point in watching?

• To not be apathetic.
  
• To form an opinion of your own.
  
• To see for yourself what they have to say, and not have to be told what they said by the mA$$ media. Which, fyi, is often quite different from what was actually said.

need I continue?

 

[Silver]

They just say the same thing every time, what's the point in watching?

There's always the chance that one of them suggests making homosexuals wear pink triangles on their clothing at all times...

 

[jimmydean]

I get all the news I need right here.

At least until the writers strike is over, then it's back to The Daily Show.

 

[Transcend]

Your chance to watch the parade of losers for next presidential election!

After shrub's reign of terror, does anyone really believe any Republican candidate even has a chance? Let's not even get into how impossible it would be for a whackjob like Ron paul to even win a nomination, let alone a presidential election.

 

[dante]

• To form an opinion of your own.

need I continue?

sorry, I actually watch the news for real information, and make up my opinion on that. if you actually believe anything that the candidates say at this point (on either side), you need to have your head examined. Romney's "sudden revelation" on abortion? Giuliani's reversal on gun control? The democrats on the war, the budget, the farm bill, etc?

lthumbsdown:

 

[RenegadeRick]

sorry, I actually watch the news for real information, and make up my opinion on that.

Let me see if I got this right, you make up your opinion based on others' opinion of what other's opinions are?

I can't believe anyone watches the news for real information anymore. It just isn't there. Sure the news is great for finding out about Britney's latest haircut, but for real information? Come on!

Why let someone else tell you what someone said, when you can hear it for yourself?

if you actually believe anything that the candidates say at this point (on either side), you need to have your head examined.

I agree with you here, but at the same time if you believe that all the candidates are all full of shiite, then it sounds to me like you think honesty and credibility is irrelevant in a unitary executive.

Seriously, why should we consider any of the candidates if they are all funking liars?

 

[MikeD]

Your chance to watch the parade of losers for next presidential election!

After shrub's reign of terror, does anyone really believe any Republican candidate even has a chance?

You really, REALLY underestimate the Democratic Party's uncanny ability to **** up anything they touch.

 

[Transcend]

You really, REALLY underestimate the Democratic Party's uncanny ability to **** up anything they touch.

You make a good point, of course. The Republican's can't run a country, and the Democrats can't run a campaign.

 

[Transcend]

I can't believe anyone watches the news for real information anymore. It just isn't there.

It's all a conspiracy! The free mason's are coming to get you! Ron Paul will eliminate the IRS!

You go through a lot of tinfoil, don't you?

 

[kidwoo]

What was up with that scrawny dude that said the answer to his question would answer everything<----creepy extra emphasis

regarding whether or not the candidates believed every word written in the bible.....

Southern accent, meth addled skin tone. He blows up a major structure within the next 5 years.


I can't wait to ask my favorite candidate if he believes the tooth fairy himself (him!) leaves the money or if he has helpers and what that means for the future economy of the US.

 

[blue]

I just watched a few snippets...that was painful.

Ron Paul would do better if he didn't appear to be the dude in the corner rocking back and forth whilst ranting.

Cut the Dept. of Ed. ****ing brilliant, Herr Paul.

 

[RenegadeRick]

Note: I wrote this while watching the debate, so if some of the tenses seem weird, that is why.



Since there are those here who rely on RM for what they need to know, and also those who rely on the opinions of others, I will share what I think are important bits, as I see 'em.

The first is that Huckabee also supports eliminating the IRS. I guess he is a whackjob loon as well.

The second is that McCain is deluded on what the troops want. He said that for Thanksgiving the troops asked him to let them win in Iraq. Win what? In my opinion, it really does not matter how an illegal war is going. It remains illegal.

As a candidate who wishes to withdraw from Iraq, Ron Paul stated that he has more campaign contributions from service members than any other candidate. Is there any better way for people to express their wishes than with their wallets?

Another fun fact is that Giuliani just showed himself a liar again. He said that in NYC he enforced all laws and just about 20 minutes ago it was established that there were indeed certain laws that he did not have enforced. Just thought you should know...

Just watched Ron Paul get an abortion question, I suppose in hoping to get him to say that we should never have abortions and abortionists should be killed or something like that. I thought he handled it very diplomatically by saying that it is an issue of states rights and that the federal government should not be the abortion police.

I'm now at the part Blue was talking about with the Bible and "do you believe every word in this book?" The only thing I have to say here is that the guy said he wanted to hear from all the candidates and only a few got to answer, in violation of the format they said would be followed. Anyhow, in my opinion, Giuliani lied again, Romney didn't really answer, and Huckabee did a great job. The rest didn't get to play.

Commercial break now. Hope Iraq comes next... yep here it comes.

Returned from break with Giuliani's "commercial." I know it was meant to be funny, but it was really just more lies. They said Rudy defeated King Kong and reduced snowfall. As an avid snowboarder, I simply cannot support such a thing.

Just watching the topic of torture. Romney said that he supports Guantanamo. He said that he believes that folks like KSM should be denied legal counsel. He said that he did not support torture and then refused to define what that meant. McCain was very clear that the US needs to follow the high road and be better than those terrorists. I support his position here, but I do not support his position on withdrawal being surrender. Withdrawl is simply stopping doing something we are doing wrong and admitting our mistake.

Thompson was the first to bring up Iran. He suggested that if Iran attacks us that oil prices would go through the roof, and the reality is that this IS what will happen WHEN we attack Iran. He said that we needed to be prepared to fight Islamic Terror and do whatever it takes for as long as it takes. He also said that withdrawal would be defeat and I couldn't disagree more. Ron Paul had it right in saying that by using peace and not war is how we would create allies in the region.

Sorry for being so wordy, but now it's getting good.

McCain just attacked Paul in that we never lost a battle in Vietnam, but that public opinion lost the war. He spewed some BS about how they didn't want to follow us home and how Islam wants Iraq as a base of terror. Ok, well here are some of my thoughts. There wasn't Islamic terror in Iraq until we went in and removed Saddam. Saddam ran a secular government and it just didn't exist until WE created the conditions for it. Once again Paul has it right in saying that they hate us for meddling in the region, not for any other reason. Hunter then attacked Paul and said that they would hate us even if we didn't have troops in the region. Of course, he didn't explain why.

Now Giuliani has said that he is not basing his campaign on 9/11, and yet he mentioned it over and over again in his response. Just more BS lies from him.

On gays in the military, everyone that answered said no, or don't ask don't tell at best. Romney said that he needed to consult with some folks on the matter but he did not think now is the time for it, even though he previously said that he looked forward to the day when such a thing was possible.

Well apparently the debate ran over and the TiVo missed the end. It cut out while Giuliani wasn't answering a question about why African-Americans don't vote for republicans.

Anyhow, my overall summary is that once again, Giuliani got the most air time and was least likely to answer the question asked and obfuscate and lie about the answer. Romney was most likely to say he needed others to help him form his opinions. Thomspon really didn't seem like he deserved to be up there. Huckabee seemed the most personable and honest in every response, and having Chuck Norris in the audience providing obvious support didn't hurt either.

Ron Paul and the rest were generally marginalized. Even though Paul had great ideas, convictions and told the truth about them, he didn't come off as slick and polished. I wish he could have done more with his 5 minutes of air time.

It seemed that Iraq got less than 10 minutes of total coverage. In my opinion, this is the major issue of this election, regardless of all this other crap the media is trying to make us believe is important to us. There should be a debate completely focused on international relations and foreign policy. Having a debate of this nature would really help America decide who the right candidate is, and in a much more significant way than "do you believe every word in the bible" ever could.

 

[X3pilot]

Ummm, well, can anyone chime in on this?

My short take:
Thompson: muttering TV actor who doesn't act like he really wants the job and wishes he was Ronald Reagan (when he was alive of course)

Rudy: This country is not Goddamn NYC. Nuff said.

Mitt: I was for a pro choice before i was against it, I'm for torture until I'm against it, i was for gays in the military before i was against it. Goddamn pull the string politician RINO doll.

Ron P.: America's crazy uncle. You love him, but don't take him seriously.

The dude on the left end: "I'll just vehemently disagree with whatever anyones says to get airtime."

The dude on the right end: Who the F is he again?

Huckabee: For once, a politician that acts like himself and not what the media wants him to be. Liked his convictions, he took some shots and doesn't seem to mind not agreeing with every special interest group on the planet. But....he does seem a bit too "nice" in regards to could this guy stand up and rally this country in a tough time. Plus, he really needs to get those teeth fixed.


Fire away.

 

[ire]

I saw the clip on this morning's news about who loves the illegals more

 

[X3pilot]

I guess Mitt had a mansion full of 'em. Probably from NYC!!

 

[X3pilot]

Rick, that wasn't you that asked the confederate flag question was it? Noticed there was a "V" mask in the background of ol' boy's room.:biggrin:

 

[RenegadeRick]

Rick, that wasn't you that asked the confederate flag question was it? Noticed there was a "V" mask in the background of ol' boy's room.:biggrin:

I don't recall a confederate flag question.

 

[X3pilot]

That's right, your Tivo ran out. It was after 10:00 pm. they had this dude in his room with a confederate flag hanging up and way in the background you could see the mask. he asked the candidates wheter they thought the confederate flag was a symbol of heritage or hate..

Man, that's two joke lines i've lost today...

 

[RenegadeRick]

That's right, your Tivo ran out. It was after 10:00 pm. they had this dude in his room with a confederate flag hanging up and way in the background you could see the mask. he asked the candidates wheter they thought the confederate flag was a symbol of heritage or hate.

So who answered and what did they say?

 

[X3pilot]

Romney and Thompson..

Thompson : It's Ok at say, war memorials and reenactments but not on buildings. It's also OK in the guy's room, it's his room.

Romney: Hates that flag, it stands for bad things to some people but he understands the heritage. (Goes along with the rest of his answers)

 

[$tinkle]

Romney: Hates that flag, it stands for bad things to some people but he understands the heritage.

some would argue our current flag has done the same. his answer does reveal his short-sighted self-loathing portrayed as white guilt, however

 

[RenegadeRick]

So what polls was Transcend was looking at again?
Because the CNN poll clearly shows Ron Paul winning the debate.

Results summary here:
http://blackhillsportal.com/npps/story.cfm?id=2345
(and a link to CNN where you can vote for yourself too)

 

[RenegadeRick]

Here is some video of Ron Paul being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer on 12/2/2007 about the Republican Debate.

In the first video Ron explains why McCain is wrong in suggesting that Paul is an isolationist, and how instead he is actually a non-interventionist. Then he explains the constitution to Wolf. He further explains why it does not matter if the surge is working on a war being fought for the wrong reasons, and why we are really in Iraq. He also explains why they hate us, and it is not because we are free and prosperous.

In the 2nd video he explains how the Republicans will lose if they keep to their pro war stance. There are also suggestions that his campaign may collect more money in the 4th quarter than any other Republican.

What seems to be lacking is the lunacy some of you seem to think exists. Ron comes across as downright reasonable in these videos.

I am also fairly certain that he gets more airtime in this interview than he got during the entire debate.