The historical statistics are astounding.
Republicans stopping health care: Reason why?
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If you invert the statistics it is infinity. INFINITY!! WE ARE DOOMED, DOOMED.
It's called income level.
Rich, white and angry?
Riiiiiiiiight, because all of the people modding old Audi's are making $250k+ per year, have health insurance plans that are worth $23k+, and have hundreds of thousands (millions?) in dividend paying stocks.
Or they could just be idiots.
My father has voted Republican in every election because he is a single-issue voter: Republicans lower taxes.Riiiiiiiiight, because all of the people modding old Audi's are making $250k+ per year, have health insurance plans that are worth $23k+, and have hundreds of thousands (millions?) in dividend paying stocks.
Or they could just be idiots.
But he was a municipal employee, working for the welfare department of NYC!
I'm not surprised about the different in opinions. I'm thinking: Oh sh!t! I just crashed super hard. Where the hell I am going to be treated without spending 10 hours in the waiting room.
If I was an Audi driver, I would probably think how does this affect my 401k.
And I can afford an Audi too, just not a S8, but like a TT.
Most of them are DEFINITELY idiots. I drive a 2000 S4 which is one of the most mod-able cars in history (arguably) and has a huge aftermarket following. The car itself can be had for $10k nowadays so there are a bunch of fresh out of high school or college retards that pick them up, sink another $10k in them and have 500hp beasts.Riiiiiiiiight, because all of the people modding old Audi's are making $250k+ per year, have health insurance plans that are worth $23k+, and have hundreds of thousands (millions?) in dividend paying stocks.
Or they could just be idiots.
So yeah...mostly a bunch of dummies. A few really smart ones but for the most part mouth breathers.
Here's a link to the thread (notice the NSFW title):
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?353002-****-ObamaCare
That's the thing, it probably doesn't. Republicans like to pretend that tax cuts boost the stock market and tax increases do the opposite, but, uh, the DJIA is currently BELOW where it was when GWB cut taxes in 2001. Clinton raised taxes in 1993, and look where that got us...
I've just started linking to the bill's summary and asking people to point out exactly WHAT in it they disagree with. If you disagree with mandatory health insurance, fine. If you disagree with tax credits to help people within 100-400% of the poverty line to buy health insurance, fine. If you for some reason think that you're actually going to be PAYING for this with your $75,000/year job and 3 kids, ummmm, NO.
Oh...notice that the OP of that thread quoted Ann Coulter as a good solution.
I have noticed there is a section of the lower and middle class who think as if they were rich. For instance this guy I worked with, him and his wife work two jobs and there's no way they clear more than 90K a year, but he absolutely hates the higher tax rates the rich pay. He recently quit and moved, and now his kids don't have health care, but he hates the health care bill too. His reasoning was never coherent (I know this because he liked to rant), it always struck me as a bunch of misdirected anger.
God I'm glad that asshole is gone.
God I'm glad that asshole is gone.
Meh, Alec Baldwin didnt, Rush wont...I hope Rush makes good on his promise.
That's the old addage that has made right wing blowhards like hannity and limburger successful. You convince poor people to sacrifice their interests for an upper class under the guise that they will one day be a part of it. Even though the very practice itself works to ensure otherwise.
Generally speaking, this is not an intelligent population we're talking about.
Bill Maher has spoken on this a couple times. Its because that section of Americans you speak of believe they are just days away from "making" it. They are going to be rich biatch and they don't think they should have to pay those taxes as soon as they are.
I like to think of it as the delusion of prosperity.
From another thread but more relevant than ever me thinks.
Where was all of the Republican outrage when the Republicans passed the Medicare prescription drug plan, a fully funded government entitlement that costs almost as much as this health plan?
The wealthiest people I know are in favor of it. They don't drive Audis, actually they drive Toyotas.
I think the Audi relation has more to do with the fact that Audis are the cheapest German luxury car. A lot of average people who like to think they are wealthy driving them.
That was different. That was back before there was a nagger in charge...
A nagger in charge? Wait, when did we elect a woman to the White House?
I don't blame the tax cuts, I blame the deregulation of the real estate/securities markets.
So let me get this straight...people are against mandated health insurance? These people obviously drive and it is state law in all states that you have to have a certain amount of coverage of car and personal liability insurance. You have to produce proof to get a drivers license, register your vehicle (another government mandate and control) and surrender proof any time when asked by a law enforcement officer. It is understood that many people do not have car insurance but we keep the pool high of safe drivers to level the cost of the few that always seem to be getting into accidents, to level the cost and make it fair for the auto insurers and to assume a measure of compensation to all. The cost of insurance depends on the make and type driver you are, but you can always elect the very minimum of coverage.
So this seems no different to me. We all get insurance, we help level the field for those that can't afford it through tax credits, assistance, etc and we (those that can afford it) pay it now to avoid the documented much higher cost down the road when uninsured people are filling the emergency rooms, complicating quality of care and driving cost even further.
Seems like the old pay me now or pay me later and later is going to be much worse. And to the government run health care debate, I am a retired veteran, who has Tricare (government subsidized) and have the VA available to me and I couldn;t be happier with my health care. Since my cost is $460 annually for my family, $12 doctor co pays and $9 prescription co pays, I elect not to take my employers health care package and there fore he can pass on a percentage of his savings back to me to defray my out of pocket cost (to the tune of $1800 per year) this money covers all my medical cost, my dental plan payments, optical care, aspirin, etc.
Seems like we are headed in the right direction if people would take a breath, forget the politics and read what is in the bill.
So this seems no different to me. We all get insurance, we help level the field for those that can't afford it through tax credits, assistance, etc and we (those that can afford it) pay it now to avoid the documented much higher cost down the road when uninsured people are filling the emergency rooms, complicating quality of care and driving cost even further.
Seems like the old pay me now or pay me later and later is going to be much worse. And to the government run health care debate, I am a retired veteran, who has Tricare (government subsidized) and have the VA available to me and I couldn;t be happier with my health care. Since my cost is $460 annually for my family, $12 doctor co pays and $9 prescription co pays, I elect not to take my employers health care package and there fore he can pass on a percentage of his savings back to me to defray my out of pocket cost (to the tune of $1800 per year) this money covers all my medical cost, my dental plan payments, optical care, aspirin, etc.
Seems like we are headed in the right direction if people would take a breath, forget the politics and read what is in the bill.
An acquaintance of mine recently suffered a pretty horrible accident. He suffered major spinal injuries and will most likely be paralyzed. He never bothered to get health insurance. His bills will be somewhere between a quarter to half a million dollars. He will have to declare bankruptcy, the hospitals will get stuck with the bills and the rest of us will end up paying for it. Under this legislation he would have had to purchase health insurance and everyone would have been better off if he had.
BTW, I heard the VA and Tricare receives the highest marks in satisfaction. Period.
I wants me some socialized medicine.
Shut up you freeloading hippy commie!!
I didn't watch my buddies in nam die face down in the muck just so you........
Oh wait.....
This is not "communism" by a long shot..
WHAT IT IS ?
MONOPOLY INTERESTS USING GOVERNMENT TO FORCE PEOPLE TO BUY THEIR SERVICES.
This has happened REPEATEDLY within the last 100 years.
The medical mafia were created by the drug cartels to peddle their quack fixes and nostrums...yes there are legitimate medical procedures but those usually involve surgery..
Most of the drugs these days have fraudulent "science" backing them up..
The pharma industry (aka Drug Cartels) have been using government to enhance their fortunes...to SHUT OUT COMPETITION and to make damn sure that no actual CURE ever reaches Americans.
This will consolidate their hold over American health care...ensuring that only Allopathic medicine and its fraudulent derivatives like "Naturopathy" will dominate the marketplace..this is a typical monopolistic interest move which would not be possible if we had no federal reserve..(centralized private bank)
I KNEW DAMN WELL THAT WHATEVER BILL THEY PASSED WOULD HAVE NO PUBLIC OPTION (carrot on a stick- this had the potential of making the Drug Cartels accountable as well as food manufacturers and Agro behemoths)
As usual this is going to be another CORPORATE HANDOUT TO PHARMA AND INSURANCE...FVCK THESE ****HEADS...FVCK THEIR LAWS, FVCK THEIR GOVERNMENT, ....FVCK THEM.
WHAT IT IS ?
MONOPOLY INTERESTS USING GOVERNMENT TO FORCE PEOPLE TO BUY THEIR SERVICES.
This has happened REPEATEDLY within the last 100 years.
The medical mafia were created by the drug cartels to peddle their quack fixes and nostrums...yes there are legitimate medical procedures but those usually involve surgery..
Most of the drugs these days have fraudulent "science" backing them up..
The pharma industry (aka Drug Cartels) have been using government to enhance their fortunes...to SHUT OUT COMPETITION and to make damn sure that no actual CURE ever reaches Americans.
This will consolidate their hold over American health care...ensuring that only Allopathic medicine and its fraudulent derivatives like "Naturopathy" will dominate the marketplace..this is a typical monopolistic interest move which would not be possible if we had no federal reserve..(centralized private bank)
I KNEW DAMN WELL THAT WHATEVER BILL THEY PASSED WOULD HAVE NO PUBLIC OPTION (carrot on a stick- this had the potential of making the Drug Cartels accountable as well as food manufacturers and Agro behemoths)
As usual this is going to be another CORPORATE HANDOUT TO PHARMA AND INSURANCE...FVCK THESE ****HEADS...FVCK THEIR LAWS, FVCK THEIR GOVERNMENT, ....FVCK THEM.
LOL WUT It's actually cheaper for the major pharma companies to pay off their generic competitors to keep them off the market for a certain time frame than it is to litigate a patent infringement lawsuit. I'll see if I can find the article...
It was an NPR story a few weeks ago.
Have you bothered to read anything before that post?
Surgeons are also guilty of doing procedures that are unnecessary, FYI.
I'm thinking of the list of drugs I've taken over the last couple of years: Which antibiotics and painkillers are on your boogeyman scary sciencey drug list? I'd like to stay away from them.
Tricare is very good IF, IF, IF you do not try to abuse the system. It does not pay for boob jobs, Viagra, uneeded surgery, cosmetic, etc. The paperwork and referal system can be a little frustrating but it just takes organization on your part and a willingness to follow up. Ex. Theywouldn'y intially pay for a follow up mammogram for my wife, even though it was prescribed by her doctors. Instead of blowing up, screaming at the person on the phone, just a quick email and fax and it was done.
VA clinics are not what the sterotypical pictures and film clips portray them to be. I go there for check ups and physicals because Tricare does not cover physicals if you are not deemed a risk and require prescribed follow up physical exams.
There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.
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Growing up I only went to military hospitals. 90% of the time I only saw a 19 year old medic. Bandage and a Tylenol, next!
90% of the time you only needed a bandage and a Tylenol.
When my wife had to be @ the hospital 2 days I saw fools coming in the ER.
"I bit my tongue and it's bleeding"
"I was vacuuming and my eye is itchy"
Are Mexican people just not educated in the fact that you don't go to the ER unless you got a real problem? I mean I have all kinds of friends of all different races so don't pull the F'N race card on me but the great majority filling up the ER's are these type of people. I don't get it. I do whatever the hell I can to stay away from the hospital.
Don't people have anything better to do on a fvcking Friday night but go to the ER.
I would have liked to see house jump out of a room with a rambo knife, cut that guys tongue out, and then go over to the guy with the itchy eyes with an awl and poke his eyes out, then look around and say anybody else need to see a doctor?
"I bit my tongue and it's bleeding"
"I was vacuuming and my eye is itchy"
Are Mexican people just not educated in the fact that you don't go to the ER unless you got a real problem? I mean I have all kinds of friends of all different races so don't pull the F'N race card on me but the great majority filling up the ER's are these type of people. I don't get it. I do whatever the hell I can to stay away from the hospital.
Don't people have anything better to do on a fvcking Friday night but go to the ER.
I would have liked to see house jump out of a room with a rambo knife, cut that guys tongue out, and then go over to the guy with the itchy eyes with an awl and poke his eyes out, then look around and say anybody else need to see a doctor?
Exactly. Went through college seeing only the campus' nurse practitioner.
"Penicillin, Next!"
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And, for ALL of the Republican complaints about "cornhusker kickbacks" and "Louisiana purchase", guess what?? They all voted to KEEP those in. Would love to see the GOP reminded of this in advertisements this summer/fall.