Rick Perry from tonight's debate...
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Oh Lawdy, been a while since I've laughed so hard.
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So, social issues don't count towards your Libertarian score?
No that's not truth, that's simpleton logic that completely ignores this country's history.
Does someone need to explain the fallacy of flat income tax equality again? It sounds good when you live in Kansas and want to bitch about the government (because they don't mail your subsidy checks fast enough) but it's a horibble idea unless you're after the feudal system.
i was just watching this. hilarious
Completely with you on this. It's funny the dichotomy of a republican that truly DOES want to cut spending, addresses by far the biggest waste, but by doing so becomes shunned because that avenue happens to be the military.
Bltching about solyndra is convenient but how many failed military projects have taken even more money and thrown it down the toilet? Solyndra is dwarfed by a long shot. And don't make the 'but that's national security' argument, so is our energy policy. We're not in the middle east because of the sunny weather tan women.
But he's also a little crazy. Gold standard? Seriously? You want to talk about artificially inflated bubbles.....there ya go. You really want our currency tied to gold when that market divebombs (and it will).
Only one of those has any place in a for profit market. If you let RP have his way, very basic things that the government SHOULD have a role in will all go into the shltter. But that's the problem. It's not the government's job to be a market. It's job is to govern and to institute systems that insure or at least facilitate environments that provide opportunities for success. That's not handouts. That's creating an environment in which a bright kid born in a trailer park has the chance to succeed if not equally, than at least close to the same kid born in the bush family.
RP's whole libertarian approach sounds good to a bunch of chest thumpers who are delusional about their own independence, but the truth is you can't just rely on free markets to provide for a fair playing field. The US and every other country on the planet has already tried it (or is going through it right now). It sucks. You end up those in power staying rich and in power and those not in the club end up with fvck all for upward mobility. A flat tax does that too. Even 50% of a hundred million is still a ****load of money. 9%(whaddup cain!) of 20k a year is proportionally much more of a chunk. Since neither of those numbers would likely be chosen, what would is even more whacked.
Now obviously there's a balance in there between safety nets and opportunity and straight up free market capitalism. But realize that anyone on either extreme is delusional. RP is in that club.
And unfortunately he IS the most coherent 'candidate' in those debates. But his ideas are still extremely short sighted. You'd think he'd be aware of the 1920s.......hell I think he was actually there
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I fall on the pro-choice side of the abortion debate so I just left that part of the quote off. It didn't really belong and was just a jab at social neo-conservatism.
It belongs because it's an opinion held by that 'whole-hearted libertarian' we're talking about.
It's his personal belief, but not a political belief that he intends to force upon people.
I don't advocate for people to abort their babies, but if the girl is raped or 16 and got pregnant by mistake, then maybe it's in her best interest to have the abortion. It's not in my right to ruin her life because some idiot got her pregnant. If she's married, then I think the husband and wife should be consulted before the abortion.
I would vote for him, too! Push the crazy envelope!
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Right... that clearly states that he opposes abortion, but that it isn't his right to punish someone for having an abortion.
Abortion is a really sick thing to support, but he also acknowledges on that same website that "if abortion were made illegal it would still take place – under unsanitary conditions that would endanger additional lives." I don't believe that any sane person actually supports abortion, but that under certain circumstances, like rape and health reasons, the choice should be there. Someone deciding that they just don't want a baby and going down to the clinic to have it chopped up is disgusting, selfish, and no different than murder.
The kid can always be given up for adoption, but I think some people are just too selfish and concerned with their image, so they'd rather flush the baby with no one ever knowing that they were pregnant.
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He clearly states that punishment is warranted. There's no reason to beleive he wouldn't assist in weakening Roe v. Wade other than he DOES state it's not the president's role. I don't know what that means.....either jesus, the state or a mob with oil torches doing god's work without the federal government to stop it.
Either way.........why do you think a flat tax is something worth supporting? It's kindergarden logic. The same number (percentage) for everyone is not the same proportional wage deduction for everyone. You understand that right?
Either way.........why do you think a flat tax is something worth supporting? It's kindergarden logic. The same number (percentage) for everyone is not the same proportional wage deduction for everyone. You understand that right?
The flat tax is fine with me. I don't care how we are taxed so much. Either way would work just fine if we just weren't requiring so much money on military bases in wealthy European countries, nation-building the Middle-East and encouraging an entire industry to build bombs and bull**** instead of infrastructure and education.
Don't get so caught up in Ron Paul wanting to end federal agencies. If the education department is dissolved over time, there isn't all of a sudden going to be a lack of education. That's the same misguided belief that people have over the military industrial complex. They think that if you just completely end the war, that millions of people are going to be out of jobs, and that's a farce. Those people are entirely capable of producing something useful.
That's because you have NO IDEA WHAT IT ACCOMPLISHES. And you don't seem to realize it but the whole concept is a product of extremely rich people wanting to protect their asses with zero concern for the effects on the greater population. It doesn't 'work just fine' because it removes an enormous amount of revenue from everything....not just military handouts. That's science, that's defense, that's education, that's transportation......it's NASA for cryin out loud.
There's nothing misguided about realizing the relevance of federal agencies. Why do you think the department of education exists? What conditions existed before its creation? Do you even know what the dept of education DOES????????
So you're desperate to pay a lot MORE money in taxes than you are right now?
Pay more here, get more there.
Get more here, pay more there.
It works out the same. Rich people aren't just storing money away in bank accounts completely cut off from circulating in the economy.
your username is quite appropriate. you haven't a fvckin clue about anything you have talked about in this thread.
Do you seriously believe that? The last 10 years have had the biggest tax cuts for the rich in a generation, and income inequality is up, jobs are down, and everyone except the ultra-rich are getting screwed.
Yay, let's double down on retarded!!!
Yay, let's double down on retarded!!!
Rich people buy things, they're generally productive, able to predict what the next 'big' thing is, oh and they also pay people to do things for them without asking for bro-deals.
Having federal agencies is better than no other system at all, but it's also like advocating an agency that while better than 0% cost and 0% outcome, is still good at 50% outcome and 100% cost. A complete overhaul of the system could probably get you that 50% outcome at 50% cost, but the federal agency is not going to get you near 100% outcome ever, because they have no competition. Fear not, just because there might be no department of education, doesn't mean that there wouldn't be worse education... and certainly not any worse that where it's currently going.
Lol, what do you think that money is doing?
Are you old enough to remember reganomics? It sucked then and the concept still sucks. By sucks I mean supply side economics is absurd and does nothing but keep wealthy people wealthy. This is not an opinion, this is fact......and VERY recent US history. When upward mobility is limited, the entire country falters.
You're honestly trying to say that all rich people know the next 'big thing'. Yeah Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros were really good at that. And no 'bro deals?'
The entire banking industry exists on bro deals. You really are brainwashed. Everything you've just said was cooked up by people with lots and lots of money who want to make more on the backs of everyone else and came up with those exact concepts to sell them into shoveling more and more money to the top. You're a mouthpiece for a sect of society that wants to rip you off and you dont' even know it.The government is not a business. No matter how much you want to keep repeating it, it will never be true. Outsourcing gov't jobs to private entities has cost this country WAY more than in house inefficiencies. You know that big deficit that happened under Bush? A huge part of that was competitive outsourcing of government jobs. You increase overhead, you increase liason agencies and you invite corruption by bringing in companies who have a profit motive as their mission statement, NOT effective government functions. Do some reading on privatization of prisons. That's just one of hundreds of examples. You act like we haven't tried all this things. We have. They blow.
Ok, let me spell it out for you:
You give a rich guy a $70k tax break. (Yes, this means that YOU have to pay more in taxes to cover it, but that's a different story.) The guy goes out and buys a $70k BMW that was made in Germany. The dealer makes $2,000, and the guy who sold it makes $500 out of that. $500 is spent getting the car from the US port to the dealership.
Wow, look at that monetary stimulus!! A maximum of $3,000 is "poured" into the local economy (less gas, wear and tear on the delivery truck, marketing, etc.
Tax cuts are the LEAST efficient way for governments to stimulate the economy. We've poured hundreds of billions of dollars into tax cuts since 2009, and what have we gotten for it?
Wow, that's actually the exact opposite of reality. Amazing how successfully some folks have been brainwashed.
The rich, BY DEFINITION, spend a vastly smaller proportion of their capital. That's how it becomes wealth. The poor and middle class, BY DEFINITION, spend all or most of their capital, thus failing to accumulate wealth. Money that goes into the lower and middle classes, goes straight into the economy for the purchase of goods and services that they need to survive. That money then pays employees, who turn around and spend it again. And so on. Give that money to the wealthy, and it moves into an investment account, where it may get loaned to a business that can use it slowly to cover their needs, but certainly is not circulating it in the same way.
Ask any business person which is better for their business, a $100 purchase or a $100 loan, and you'll understand why it's good for both the poor and the rich for tax cuts to go to the bottom of the curve.
Yeah I don't know.
That just doesn't feel right in my gut.
I doubt there's much truthiness to it.
doesn't it depend on the model....or is that bmw plant i drive by in SC a figment of my imagination?
Hence the qualification *that was made in Germany*.
FWIW, the Spartanburg plant-built X5 has a domestic content of 35%.
Some of us oppose constantly giving intellectual welfare to demonstrably clueless right-wingers.
Rich folks dont ask for "bro deals"? Really...thanks for the laugh. Are you really HK? Rich fvcks are some of the cheapest ba$tard$ around...how do you think they got rich anyway?
I know more people with money that try to get **** cheap than anyone else.