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Jr_Bullit

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Sep 8, 2001
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Hard lessons from poetry class: Speech is free unless it's critical


By BILL HILL

Last update: 15 May 2004


Bill Nevins, a New Mexico high school teacher and personal friend, was fired last year and classes in poetry and the poetry club at Rio Rancho High School were permanently terminated. It had nothing to do with obscenity, but it had everything to do with extremist politics.

The "Slam Team" was a group of teenage poets who asked Nevins to serve as faculty adviser to their club. The teens, mostly shy youngsters, were taught to read their poetry aloud and before audiences. Rio Rancho High School gave the Slam Team access to the school's closed-circuit television once a week and the poets thrived.

In March 2003, a teenage girl named Courtney presented one of her poems before an audience at Barnes & Noble bookstore in Albuquerque, then read the poem live on the school's closed-circuit television channel.

A school military liaison and the high school principal accused the girl of being "un-American" because she criticized the war in Iraq and the Bush administration's failure to give substance to its "No child left behind" education policy.

The girl's mother, also a teacher, was ordered by the principal to destroy the child's poetry. The mother refused and may lose her job.

Bill Nevins was suspended for not censoring the poetry of his students. Remember, there is no obscenity to be found in any of the poetry. He was later fired by the principal.

After firing Nevins and terminating the teaching and reading of poetry in the school, the principal and the military liaison read a poem of their own as they raised the flag outside the school. When the principal had the flag at full staff, he applauded the action he'd taken in concert with the military liaison.

Then to all students and faculty who did not share his political opinions, the principal shouted: "Shut your faces." What a wonderful lesson he gave those 3,000 students at the largest public high school in New Mexico. In his mind, only certain opinions are to be allowed.

But more was to come. Posters done by art students were ordered torn down, even though none was termed obscene. Some were satirical, implicating a national policy that had led us into war. Art teachers who refused to rip down the posters on display in their classrooms were not given contracts to return to the school in this current school year.

The message is plain. Critical thinking, questioning of public policies and freedom of speech are not to be allowed to anyone who does not share the thinking of the school principal.

The teachers union has been joined in a legal action against the school by the National Writers Union, headquartered in New York City. NWU's at-large representative Samantha Clark lives and works in Albuquerque.








The American Civil Liberties Union has become the legal arm of the lawsuit pending in federal court.

Meanwhile, Nevins applied for a teaching post in another school and was offered the job but he can't go to work until Rio Rancho's principal sends the new school Nevins' credentials. The principal has refused to do so, and that adds yet another issue to the lawsuit, which is awaiting a trial date.

While students are denied poetry readings, poetry clubs and classes in poetry, Nevins works elsewhere and writes his own poetry.

Writers and editors who have spent years translating essays, films, poems, scientific articles and books by Iranian, North Korean and Sudanese authors have been warned not to do so by the U.S. Treasury Department under penalty of fine and imprisonment. Publishers and film producers are not allowed to edit works authored by writers in those nations. The Bush administration contends doing so has the effect of trading with the enemy, despite a 1988 law that exempts published materials from sanction under trade rules.

Robert Bovenschulte, president of the American Chemical Society, is challenging the rule interpretation by violating it to edit into English several scientific papers from Iran.

Are book burnings next?

Hill is a retired News-Journal reporter.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by sshappy
I predict someone will mention Hitler or Nazism before the hour is out.
uhh, too late :rolleyes:



The teacher will win the law suit, then the district will have to compensate him financially, which is total bullsh:t. It's the principal himself who needs to pay up big. In fact, you could suggest several of his actions were criminal and should face a couple months in jail. I'm tired of individuals costing the state (read: you and me) money. There needs to be tougher penalties to individuals and less to the state.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Wow... that's a bit of reporting with a heaping portion of bias...

Sounds like something from the Op-Ed page of the UNM Daily Lobo.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by N8
Wow... that's a bit of reporting with a heaping portion of bias...

Sounds like something from the Op-Ed page of the UNM Daily Lobo.
Wow, and there's like this neat link thing at the top that you can click on to see where it came from too....

:rolleyes:
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by N8
Oh, I see its not news then.

My bad...
You're right, those newspapers from Florida only report liberal gossip, so not worthy of being placed anywhere near the right-wing neo-conservative views made available for our reading pleasure by you...how could I have been so dumb??? must be those damned blonde roots coming out again.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
You're right, those newspapers from Florida only report liberal gossip, so not worthy of being placed anywhere near the right-wing neo-conservative views made available for our reading pleasure by you...how could I have been so dumb??? must be those damned blonde roots coming out again.
wow, you're N8's b:tch for the day :devil: did ya not have your coffee? You're not usually this easy to troll?
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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poetry sucks anyway. those "shy kids" should be tormented to the utmost extent by their physically superior peers.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by BurlySurly
poetry sucks anyway. those "shy kids" should be tormented to the utmost extent by their physically superior peers.
and then visit gun shows :devil:
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Originally posted by BurlySurly
poetry sucks anyway. those "shy kids" should be tormented to the utmost extent by their physically superior peers.
They'll get back at you by spitting in your coffee at Starbucks. That is why I only drink beer.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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Originally posted by Westy
They'll get back at you by spitting in your coffee at Starbucks. That is why I only drink beer.
yeah, that'll work when i decide to pay 3 ****ing dollars for a stupid cup of coffee prepared by some skillless tool. How the **** is the small coffee called "large" there anyway? What kind of crap is that?
 

Mackie

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Mar 4, 2004
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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Then to all students and faculty who did not share his political opinions, the principal shouted: "Shut your faces."
Boy, and they wonder what kinds of things would drive troubled kids to the point where they shoot up schools......
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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Originally posted by Mackie
Boy, and they wonder what kinds of things would drive troubled kids to the point where they shoot up schools......
:rolleyes: If an authority figure saying "shut your face" drives you to shoot people, than its only a matter of time til you snap anyway and the principal has little to do with it.
Im all for free thought and stuff, but i mean, taking goverment funds (ie. av equipment, school supplies) to criticize the government on government property sounds kinda ****ty to me.
 

Cooter Brown

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May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by BurlySurly
:rolleyes: If an authority figure saying "shut your face" drives you to shoot people, than its only a matter of time til you snap anyway and the principal has little to do with it.
Im all for free thought and stuff, but i mean, taking goverment funds (ie. av equipment, school supplies) to criticize the government on government property sounds kinda ****ty to me.

well for one, it's not government property. it's public property, meaning it belongs to those who use it.

and two, if it was government property, aren't we the ones who are the "government" (well in theory anyway)

and for three, why not use a right that is guaranteed in a document that our "government" is founded on
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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Originally posted by Cooter Brown
well for one, it's not government property. it's public property, meaning it belongs to those who use it.

and two, if it was government property, aren't we the ones who are the "government" (well in theory anyway)

and for three, why not use a right that is guaranteed in a document that our "government" is founded on
well if you want to get all technical:rolleyes: :D
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Originally posted by BurlySurly
:rolleyes: If an authority figure saying "shut your face" drives you to shoot people, than its only a matter of time til you snap anyway and the principal has little to do with it.
Im all for free thought and stuff, but i mean, taking goverment funds (ie. av equipment, school supplies) to criticize the government on government property sounds kinda ****ty to me.
Like paper? You're really really stretching on this one.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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Originally posted by Silver
Like paper? You're really really stretching on this one.
Well we have to debate dont we? WTF good would it do if I just agreed. We'd all be like "yep" or "uh huh" and then the thread would just go away and I wouldnt offend anyone.

How lame would that be?
 

Cooter Brown

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May 30, 2002
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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Well we have to debate dont we? WTF good would it do if I just agreed. We'd all be like "yep" or "uh huh" and then the thread would just go away and I wouldnt offend anyone.

How lame would that be?

it would sound like the back alley in King of the Hill

and just for argument

it wouldn't be lame, at least you'd be right then :cool: :cool: :D
 

N8 v2.0

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Oct 18, 2002
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Norman students offended by hallway art

NORMAN -- The KKK, profanity and racist innuendoes are all part of a picture hanging in the hallway of an Oklahoma school.

Several students say the artwork was very offensive and they've asked why the picture was even allowed inside the school.

The picture came from the creative hands of a student and was actually part of a class project. But some are asking, when does freedom of expression cross the line?

"I was outraged really, in a way," said Shawn Sampson, a junior.

"First thought, I was like, 'No, this can't be at my school,' " said Andrew McPherson. The two juniors found the picture hanging in the hallways of Norman North high school.

"I see it as a big offense, a very big offense," Sampson said.

The picture was part of a class project involving poetry. Students were told to illustrate the social or racial injustice the poet was trying to convey. But the drawing stood out with ghost-like images of the Ku Klux Klan, weapons, even profanity. All of the pictures were then posted on a hallway bulletin board, students said, without any explanation of their origin.

"There was nothing up there saying this is a book report, don't take no offense to it," Sampson said.

"I don't think it was racial at all, it was an assignment of an interpretation of racism and that's how he interpreted it. For him being biracial, I understand where he's coming from," another student said.

Other students are backing the young artist. So is Norman's superintendent Dr. Joe Siano, who understands some students taking offense. After all, racism and profanity are prohibited at Norman schools. But, he said, artistic expression in the right context, such as a class assignment, can be much different.

"Under the context of what's been explained to me of the lesson and the motivation, I think it was appropriate," Siano said. "Could we have done a better job of communicating what the assignment was? Could we have done a better job or a different way of displaying it? Sure."

Still, some students argue there is no context for making this type of artwork appropriate for display in schools.

"Angry, confused, and kind of feeling unjustified because they just brushed it off like it was nothing," Sampson said.

The superintendent said although policies could be changed in the future, the student and teacher face no disciplinary action in this case.

School officials say all of the pictures from that assignment were removed from the hallways Wednesday morning.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by N8
Interesting article by one who professes to dislike news
Sounds to me like maybe the biggest fault was the lack of advertising of what the purpose of the assignment was.

When I worked as an editor/writer for the HS paper we got some weird assignments in an attempt to directly target some of the anger and confusion kids have about race/society/injustices etc. My favorite was an article I was assigned called 'horse of a different color" prior to the articles release, me and my well known big mouth ( :rolleyes: ) walked all over school for two weeks doing a "survey" with shades of crayons. Every student figured out what their skin color really was by crayola terminology.
Another good one was a combo editorial, where I took a stance of pro-feminism and another editor took a stance as very anti-feminism.

Controversy and debate is good, for SOME of us out there, it sparks a desire to learn more, others of course just dig their heals in and continue to paint the world in rosy shades of right-wing.
 

ito

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Oct 3, 2003
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Originally posted by N8
Norman students offended by hallway art
What about it? The art shouldn't have been taken down..unless the showing was over, but it sounds like there could have been some explaination about the project. But at least in this article the journalist talked to the officials in charge.

My one problem with the first article is that the journalist or columnist or whatever didn't bother talking to anyone except those who where offended by the principal's actions. It was bad reporting and he doesn't do a very good job of being subjective. I assume this was your problem with it to begin with?

Anyhow, it sounds like the principal is twisted around the finger of the army liaison.

the Ito
 
Nov 28, 2001
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schools are notorious hot-beds of steaming censorship.

It's hardly surprising that this happened - what's surprising is that anyone bothered to write it up.

large schools also have, typically, megalomaniacal out-of-touch-with-their-students principals because that's the only kind of person who actually wants the job.