I try and think a lot about what I want the future in my own life and for my descendants to look like. For me I started further out and worked back. At a broad scale I want intelligent life to continue to exist in the universe — ‘the universe should experience itself’. I want those lives to be not horrible, in fact I want them to be awesome lives with enough context to keep them pointed forward and with the least suffering that is required to do so. I want science and technology to progress along with moral progress. I want people and life generally to be safe except where people can choose for themselves to not be safe. I don’t think people should be enticed to do things unless they are refusing to acknowledge harm they are visiting on others. I think a broad and deep education is really important. So it goes, and ends with religious misogyny is some fucked up bullshit.
RIP, Roe vs. Wade.
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100% agreed that the weak spot in the liberal armor is that the farther left you go the more complicated it gets to address the array of issues in a multifaceted world. Whereas the farther right you go, the more distilled things seem to appear, which is attractive if you wish to have a simple worldview. Analysis paralysis is a real thing, and when people get overwhelmed they tend to find comfort in simplicity.
... I also think the conservative operators understand this and use it to their advantage. I think they recognize the complexity of the world and opt to act as if they don't in order to gain followers. It is a strategy.
You might enjoy this.
Sam Harris | #178 - The Reality Illusion
Sam and Annaka Harris speak with Donald Hoffman about his book "The Case Against Reality."
A few key/spoiler points - Hoffman makes a case that a complete and accurate perception of reality is not what makes organisms fit for survival and evolution in the world. Instead, organisms that are tuned to and focus on "fitness pay-outs" or benefits/goals, even with a limited perception of an accurate reality, might be more fit for survival and evolution.
So anyway.....what I was saying about the constitution......
that they said^^^
"the senate is affirmative action for rural whites"
Melissa Murray getting cited in this is fucking taunting. These people are bro bullies.
Hey @Changleen @6thElement @DaveW : 37:00
Ahh ok skipped to 37:00
You lost me?
What was in that part that you felt was of special import to me?????
Hey. Shouldn’t Texas be outlawing that and requiring that citizens police each other? That sperm deserves a chance to do what sperm does.
If I lived in another country this shit would entertain me. I guess fishing the church of england crowd was poorly aimed.Ahh ok skipped to 37:00
You lost me?
What was in that part that you felt was of special import to me?????
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Maybe the “pro-lifer” carries human exclusiveness further. Even if the embryo has no greater capacity than a pig embryo, it has the potential to become a human being with very much greater capacity than a pig. By aborting it, you are depriving a future human of a fulfilled life. Your abortion robs a would-be thinking, feeling, loving person of existence. What joys might she, or he, have experienced in a long and full life but for your callous act? Might you be killing a Beethoven?
That argument cuts closer to the bone. It is hard to resist speculating on what that incipient little life could have become. But now imagine the potential life you prevent every time you refrain from sexual intercourse. The “Road not taken” argument rapidly spirals out of control. All too soon we arrive at Michael Palin’s “Every sperm is sacred.” “It is your moral duty to have (unprotected) sex with me because of the potential human life you might be denying if you do not.”
They Think It's Murder | Richard Dawkins
"My body my choice" will cut no ice with a pro-"life" advocate who believes an embryo is a baby and abortion is murder. We have to persude them that their belief is mistaken. This is the text of an artricle published online by Free Inquiry...
richarddawkins.com
^Sharing only for Monty Python content. I however don't think there's any hope of convincing logical argument targeted for the opposition audience winning a compromise as the author implies. And I'd prefer unfettered acknowledgement of bodily autonomy, though I'd settle for pretty much exactly where we started...right to abortion until fetal viability, with exceptions always for life and health of the mother.
Not a sentient human being. No care.----
Maybe the “pro-lifer” carries human exclusiveness further. Even if the embryo has no greater capacity than a pig embryo, it has the potential to become a human being with very much greater capacity than a pig. By aborting it, you are depriving a future human of a fulfilled life. Your abortion robs a would-be thinking, feeling, loving person of existence. What joys might she, or he, have experienced in a long and full life but for your callous act? Might you be killing a Beethoven?
That argument cuts closer to the bone. It is hard to resist speculating on what that incipient little life could have become. But now imagine the potential life you prevent every time you refrain from sexual intercourse. The “Road not taken” argument rapidly spirals out of control. All too soon we arrive at Michael Palin’s “Every sperm is sacred.” “It is your moral duty to have (unprotected) sex with me because of the potential human life you might be denying if you do not.”
-----They Think It's Murder | Richard Dawkins
"My body my choice" will cut no ice with a pro-"life" advocate who believes an embryo is a baby and abortion is murder. We have to persude them that their belief is mistaken. This is the text of an artricle published online by Free Inquiry...
^Sharing only for Monty Python content. I however don't think there's any hope of convincing logical argument targeted for the opposition audience winning a compromise as the author implies. And I'd prefer unfettered acknowledgement of bodily autonomy, though I'd settle for pretty much exactly where we started...right to abortion until fetal viability, with exceptions always for life and health of the mother.
Certain people in this country love the freedom to do things over the actual doing of things. They love the potential for a fertilized egg to become something great more than they love the breathing humans who already exist, unless you’ve already done something “great.” It’s all about arguing their interpretation of a dead author’s symbolic and translated text for the imagined benefit of an entity that is still developing.
Like packing the SCOTUS with duplicitous idealogues to tear away individual rights using a document designed to guarantee them?
*shrugs* I grew up in an atheist environment, none of that shit is particularly embedded in my brain so it largely just goes over my head.
Anywho..... welcome to the new world you are inflicting on you partners guys.
Fetal viability and Sentient human I think are very very different things Mike.
Man that would be sweet if we had one of those.
(the senate and supreme court, the two institutions that are the trip wire to guarantee we don't maintain those rights, are laid out somewhere......can't remember where off the top of my head)
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right to abortion until fetal viability sounds like a nice compromise to me.
Well aware. One of those things is something I would accept as a compromise to reality vs. having Gilead, against the rights I think my fellow humans with wombs should have.
wtf
abcnews4.com
"The state legislature now asks abortion providers to send sheriff's offices reports of women who were impregnated by rape or incest and are trying to terminate the pregnancy."
Graziano responds to South Carolina's abortion law
Charleston County Sheriff Kristin Graziano commented Friday on her office's role in the recently passed law that essentially bans abortion after six weeks.
abcnews4.com
"The state legislature now asks abortion providers to send sheriff's offices reports of women who were impregnated by rape or incest and are trying to terminate the pregnancy."
Nope, women should be able to access healthcare at any time for any reason. Fuck the religious push. You can’t make good sustainable law based on lies and unreality.
son we got over 7 billion people already. wait till you see how the people that are already alive start behaving once the climate wars hit in earnest.----
Maybe the “pro-lifer” carries human exclusiveness further. Even if the embryo has no greater capacity than a pig embryo, it has the potential to become a human being with very much greater capacity than a pig. By aborting it, you are depriving a future human of a fulfilled life. Your abortion robs a would-be thinking, feeling, loving person of existence. What joys might she, or he, have experienced in a long and full life but for your callous act? Might you be killing a Beethoven?
That argument cuts closer to the bone. It is hard to resist speculating on what that incipient little life could have become. But now imagine the potential life you prevent every time you refrain from sexual intercourse. The “Road not taken” argument rapidly spirals out of control. All too soon we arrive at Michael Palin’s “Every sperm is sacred.” “It is your moral duty to have (unprotected) sex with me because of the potential human life you might be denying if you do not.”
-----They Think It's Murder | Richard Dawkins
"My body my choice" will cut no ice with a pro-"life" advocate who believes an embryo is a baby and abortion is murder. We have to persude them that their belief is mistaken. This is the text of an artricle published online by Free Inquiry...
^Sharing only for Monty Python content. I however don't think there's any hope of convincing logical argument targeted for the opposition audience winning a compromise as the author implies. And I'd prefer unfettered acknowledgement of bodily autonomy, though I'd settle for pretty much exactly where we started...right to abortion until fetal viability, with exceptions always for life and health of the mother.
i cant wait to see how they spin all the fatal miscarriages.
don't forget - the core constitutional right at the heart of roe v wade was the right to privacywtf
Graziano responds to South Carolina's abortion law
Charleston County Sheriff Kristin Graziano commented Friday on her office's role in the recently passed law that essentially bans abortion after six weeks.
"The state legislature now asks abortion providers to send sheriff's offices reports of women who were impregnated by rape or incest and are trying to terminate the pregnancy."
You are data.
You are the product.
Products don't have rights.
You are the product.
Products don't have rights.
When they allow it.
Haiku fuck yea.
An Ohio 10-year-old crossed state lines for abortion care in Indiana. She isn't alone
An Ohio 10-year-old girl is among many who have been forced to seek abortions in states like Indiana after Roe was overturned.
www.usatoday.com
God damnit the Supreme Joke isn't anything but a clown court.
Wait until you see a drunken Cavanaugh chasing Barret around to the tune of Yakkety Sax.
File under "it's only a rule when they want it to be"
You know what you should be doing guys.........
You know what you should be doing guys.........
not here to serve....just to stay in power...
That's a whole lot of words for Texans.
Pregnant Woman Cited for HOV Violation Says Her Unborn Baby Should Count as Second Person
A pregnant Plano woman who got a ticket for driving alone in the car-pool lane plans to fight the citation, arguing her unborn baby should count as a second person.
www.nbcdfw.com