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jstuhlman

bagpipe wanker
Dec 3, 2009
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Cackalacka du Nord
@Gary was that to me? ours is often crowded and full of people at many different levels, are many different ages, and on many different forms of wheels. collisions, which still happen with some frequency, often result in ambulance rides. so common practice is to use one direction. when its more open or red-bull does races, it's multidirectional/open to interpretation.

and @sethimus the tiny size is to match our horrible trails on our widdle east coast mountains. duh. and yes, i strongly resisted the urge to respond with the obvious "well so's your..." :D
 

sethimus

neu bizutch
Feb 5, 2006
5,477
2,537
not in Whistler anymore :/
A) If you're talking about the old hiking trail stuff from the Trans event then lolz

B) Do you really think walking/hiking originated in Europe?
where exactly in north america do you have something remotely similar to the european alpine cultural landscape that made it necessary to develope a vast networks of trails and paths to connect all the small settlements up in the mountains? there is still so many unused space on the american continent that it just wasn't needed as you could do all the farming on easy accessable terrain and didn't needed to transfer wooded mountains to grassy alpes
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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was that to me?
Just generally splaff
If designed properly a pumptrack should work well in any direction. So it's just stupid to limit its use. Obviously communication, common sense and common courtesy are required tho.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,647
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AK
where exactly in north america do you have something remotely similar to the european alpine cultural landscape that made it necessary to develope a vast networks of trails and paths to connect all the small settlements up in the mountains?
Bentonville obviously, to connect all the Walmarts.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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UK
where exactly in north america do you have something remotely similar to the european alpine cultural landscape that made it necessary to develope a vast networks of trails and paths to connect all the small settlements up in the mountains? there is still so many unused space on the american continent that it just wasn't needed as you could do all the farming on easy accessable terrain and didn't needed to transfer wooded mountains to grassy alpes
Disneyland bro
They gots everythang
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
5,966
5,396
Australia
where exactly in north america
oh right

IF NOT Europe THEN North America??

Geez mate. Both Asia and South America have oodles of centuries, if not millenia old Alpine trails.

*edit granted, they're not often cobbled etc. And Australia has nothing like that that I've ever seen haha.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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And long may the pointless bickering over the best location of imaginary *naturally* worn down in (mainly by feet and vehicle) sections of ground continue.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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Seth, claiming it's the only place is so full of shit..... Like trump speech levels of full of shit.
There are NO if's or but's about it.
but it is well known that wandering animals in mountains were only introduced to the Americas when the White Man showed up
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
56,679
22,788
Sleazattle
but it is well known that wandering animals in mountains were only introduced to the Americas when the White Man showed up

Some of the trails around here have archeological digs showing continuous use for 9000 years.

From bears obviously, humans didn't have camp fires or tools until Yurpeens arrived and had exclusively used trains for transportation.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
40,515
9,301
Some of the trails around here have archeological digs showing continuous use for 9000 years.

From bears obviously, humans didn't have camp fires or tools until Yurpeens arrived and had exclusively used trains for transportation.
I heard they had streetcar networks all throughout the mountains

we have lost so much with the dominance of the car and now e-bike
 

jrewing

Monkey
Aug 22, 2010
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Maydena Oz
MOAR likely fiken stole it!
This Stolen shit infuriates me..even as 1/8th boriginal!
We stole it from the Giant lizards….but no one thinks of the lizards, and crucifies us for it.
The 7/8ths side also likes to tell, do you think we wanted to come down here 250yrs ago with hardly any mountains with the premonition view to the sport of gravity bicycle racing, infested with legless lizards that make you either bleed out or in and die excruciatingly, have big black spiders that do the same, ambush swimming lizards at every freshwater hole thatll drag you under and roll you until youre out of breath and then cruise around with your carcass as a victory show…andnif you do try to swim off the prison youre a chance at being bitten in half escaping!
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
Staff member
May 23, 2002
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borcester rhymes
saw somebody on reddit claiming that it was people not willing to pay retail who were killing the industry

y'all can call me the undertaker with your $4000 entry level builds
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
Staff member
May 23, 2002
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borcester rhymes
completely glazes over the "buy up local shops then switch to direct to consumer" moves like spec and trek do around here.

Bought my daughters bike from a local independent shop, only to realize later that they had it advertised cheaper online.
 

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
10,770
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NORCAL is the hizzle
I've been hearing about the death of the LBS since I could buy mail order parts from the back of BMX magazines in the 80's. Shops need to evolve but I hope there is always a place for them.
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
Staff member
May 23, 2002
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I've been hearing about the death of the LBS since I could buy mail order parts from the back of BMX magazines in the 80's. Shops need to evolve but I hope there is always a place for them.
I still go to shops for service I don't feel like doing or for small parts and such. Stans, rim tape, brake pads, housing. I was a little flabberghasted last time they charged me $56 for 5' of shifter housing, so I may not do that again. I also bought my daughter's hardtail through an LBS thinking it would be good to help them and have a route for service and warranty. Then I remembered that warranties are a gamble and most service I can/will/have to do on my own. I'm 10 miles from like 4 shops and I honestly don't know that I can safely recommend any of them.
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
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I still go to shops for service I don't feel like doing or for small parts and such. Stans, rim tape, brake pads, housing. I was a little flabberghasted last time they charged me $56 for 5' of shifter housing, so I may not do that again. I also bought my daughter's hardtail through an LBS thinking it would be good to help them and have a route for service and warranty. Then I remembered that warranties are a gamble and most service I can/will/have to do on my own. I'm 10 miles from like 4 shops and I honestly don't know that I can safely recommend any of them.
sounds amazingly familiar to back in california days, circa 2005.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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I've been hearing about the death of the LBS since I could buy mail order parts from the back of BMX magazines in the 80's. Shops need to evolve but I hope there is always a place for them.
Mate. There are litterally no Bmx shops left in the UK... Every former BMX shop owner will tell you they simply couldn't make a living anymore because of mail order/online stores undercutting them on every single product they sold. (THERE'S also zero money in repairs and servicing on BMX) .
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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When there's a thriving local scene and communtity of BMX riders. Yes.
But also fairly short sighted when BMX participation has always gone through pretty major dips, ebb and flow
 

4xBoy

Turbo Monkey
Jun 20, 2006
7,518
3,663
Minneapolis
How often does a "good" bmx break?

My 80s Raleigh got a tire once, got the pegs stolen off of it.

I can see little money in selling them.