[James | Go-Ride]

This is why we don't sell the Risse flat crowns, and why our crowns don't have a pinch bolt for the steerer tube. Photo courtesy of Jed Colvin (if you've ridden the Bootleg trails, you've probably met Jed).

Before certain members start into me about degrading another company's products, I might remind you to look at the picture again and realize the potential for absurd disaster to the rider's spinal cord if this were on your bike. We could sell these if we wanted to. We wouldn't have to put any work or R&D money into it and make a better profit margin. But we don't.

 

[Broken_Spoke]

Is the rider ok?

 

[James | Go-Ride]

Yeah, I didn't get much info, just the image. I'll see if I can get ahold of Jed on Monday and get some specifics about what happened.

 

[Instigator]

At least the lenzsport held up

 

[Acadian]

At least the lenzsport

?? that's an M1

James...tell Jed he should of kept his Boxxer

 

[Instigator]

?? that's an M1

James...tell Jed he should of kept his Boxxer

Woops! thanks Acadian

 

[Brian HCM#1]

You'll have to take this into consideration, that may have been one of their first batches where the material around the steerer was stupid thin. When I first got one of the first batches, I immediately called them and questioned it, they said it shouldn't be a problem The picture is what I feared. Anyways shortly after my phone call within 2 weeks they changed the design and made the material much thicker. They were cool enough to exchange it free of charge for me. I have a feeling thats one of their first ones. Its not fair to say (please don't take this as an insult, I've seen yours and they are very well made) they lack R&D concidering they've been machining crown/steerers a little longer than you guys and I think they know what they're doing.

 

[Spunger]

You'll have to take this into consideration, that may have been one of their first batches where the material around the steerer was stupid thin. When I first got one of the first batches, I immediately called them and questioned it, they said it shouldn't be a problem The picture is what I feared. Anyways shortly after my phone call within 2 weeks they changed the design and made the material much thicker. They were cool enough to exchange it free of charge for me. I have a feeling thats one of their first ones. Its not fair to say (please don't take this as an insult, I've seen yours and they are very well made) they lack R&D concidering they've been machining crown/steerers a little longer than you guys and I think they know what they're doing.

I agree, that looks like such a failuer only to either the rider being extremely stupid or bad materials. Atleast it makes the headtube on a M1 look good (as everyone knows they're suspose to be easy to break).

That is horrible though, just looking at it. Hopefully the rider is ok. Look at the entire assembly, it's so bent it looks like a new upper crown and possibly stem are in the works. Who knows, maybe a new fork even though he's got a 888.

If that were a boxxer it's be much more horrific, fork snapped completly off instead of still intact neaky:

 

[Dartman]

That's why I bought a Go-Ride lower crown.

Mike

 

[mack]

i still need to send that deralur back! damit i always forget.

 

[Mani_UT]

Its not fair to say (please don't take this as an insult, I've seen yours and they are very well made) they lack R&D concidering they've been machining crown/steerers a little longer than you guys and I think they know what they're doing.

Obviously not... I dare them to show me the stress calculations they performed before starting machining **** and using customers as guinea pigs...
That is NOT good business.

 

[Curb Hucker]

Jm, if ya see this post up that picture of the risse guys in the truck

 

[DßR]

Well, the front end is even lower now, wtf is everybody complaining about? Looks good.

Still a bit slack though...

 

[Jm_]

Jm, if ya see this post up that picture of the risse guys in the truck

No problem...

One day when they got un-stoned;

"Oh crap, that materials hella thin! We musta been stoned!...wait, let's get stoned again!"

This might be a long thread. neaky:

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Obviously not... I dare them to show me the stress calculations they performed before starting machining **** and using customers as guinea pigs...
That is NOT good business.

I hope I never see the day a Go-Ride one breaks.

 

[lovebunny]

acadian y do oyu only have 18 posts?

 

[thaflyinfatman]

You'll have to take this into consideration, that may have been one of their first batches where the material around the steerer was stupid thin. When I first got one of the first batches, I immediately called them and questioned it, they said it shouldn't be a problem The picture is what I feared. Anyways shortly after my phone call within 2 weeks they changed the design and made the material much thicker. They were cool enough to exchange it free of charge for me. I have a feeling thats one of their first ones. Its not fair to say (please don't take this as an insult, I've seen yours and they are very well made) they lack R&D concidering they've been machining crown/steerers a little longer than you guys and I think they know what they're doing.

So they don't lack R&D because they've doing it for ages and STILL bring out crap designs that need changing due to a high risk of serious injury?

And dude, you have freakishly good luck with companies/products that everyone else knows suck. For example, Stratos, Karpiel, Risse and let's not forget Hope. So... no offence but I sometimes (ok always) have trouble taking you too seriously

 

[Brian HCM#1]

So they don't lack R&D because they've doing it for ages and STILL bring out crap designs that need changing due to a high risk of serious injury?

And dude, you have freakishly good luck with companies/products that everyone else knows suck. For example, Stratos, Karpiel, Risse and let's not forget Hope. So... no offence but I sometimes (ok always) have trouble taking you too seriously

Okay smark guy

Stratos, How many Stratos products have you owned? The S8 happened to be a great, dependable fork (disreguard it's heigth), Majority of the people on this site will tell you that too. I know SEVERAL people that never had one bit of problems with their stuff. They had some bad luck mainly with one fork (S7) Then the customer service went to sh*t and the hate started rolling from there.

Karpiel, How does a Karpiel suck? I'm not talking about customer service. How many Karpiels have you seen fail (I'm not talking about the last batch Jan F'ed everyone on) Karpiel had a VERY small failure rate. Just cause the owner of the company may suck, doesn't mean his frames did.

Risse, Besides having issues with fork/shock seals, how many Risse crown, fork, shocks have you seen break? I don't personally recall 1 fork breaking, I'm not saying they wont or haven't, but then again I've seen RS & Marzocchi break so I guess they suck too?

Hope, Why does Hope suck? Cause you had a set and couldn't figure out how to set them up properly? They take a little more time setting up than a Hayes, but you really never hear about seal issues, 95% of the time someone is compaining about their brakes have NO CLUE what they are doing when working on them. Then again I guess that means they suck

And getting back to your first point, maybe Risse did F up on the first batch and didn't realize it, but while being tested NEVER had a problem with it, could that be possible, I'm not saying its not their fault but sometimes that happens.

 

[CBJ]

acadian y do oyu only have 18 posts?

He has been excluded from "we have more post than you and therefore we are right club" and his post count has been set back to zero. Thats what you get when for being a non conforming Canadian rebel without a cause.

 

[Jm_]

Okay smark guy

Stratos, How many Stratos products have you owned? The S8 happened to be a great, dependable fork (disreguard it's heigth), Majority of the people on this site will tell you that too. I know SEVERAL people that never had one bit of problems with their stuff. They had some bad luck mainly with one fork (S7) Then the customer service went to sh*t and the hate started rolling from there.

My MX6 was trash. The S8 was ok, but the MX6 damper failed, there really was no "fix" that would keep it happening again. Their products were obscenly heavy for what they were (8lbs for a 6" travel fork).

Karpiel, How does a Karpiel suck? I'm not talking about customer service. How many Karpiels have you seen fail (I'm not talking about the last batch Jan F'ed everyone on) Karpiel had a VERY small failure rate. Just cause the owner of the company may suck, doesn't mean his frames did.

I've seen 2 break at N* (and I never frequented northstar a lot, only a few trips a year) and my buddy had a discoV, weighed about 140lbs, pulled the axles out one day and found that they were ALL bent. WTF? How about the leverage rate of the armegeddon in 11" mode? How about the leverage rate in the original discoV? To quote my fox connection, "WTF were they thinking?".

 

[kidwoo]

This is why we don't sell the Risse flat crowns, and why our crowns don't have a pinch bolt for the steerer tube. Photo courtesy of Jed Colvin (if you've ridden the Bootleg trails, you've probably met Jed).

Before certain members start into me about degrading another company's products, I might remind you to look at the picture again and realize the potential for absurd disaster to the rider's spinal cord if this were on your bike. We could sell these if we wanted to. We wouldn't have to put any work or R&D money into it and make a better profit margin. But we don't.

That's not jed's bike luckily. It belongs to a feller up here in the same circle though. The landing that caused that was a little uh.........flat to say the least. Gotta say though, at least it wasn't the headtube which is what I guess everyone thought when it happened.......it is an m1 after all.

I remember looking at jed's and acadian's when they got those things and thinking they were a little thin. I guess they're a little thin.

 

[Mani_UT]

I hope I never see the day a Go-Ride one breaks.

I hope so too.
But looking at the FEA model I performed on them even though not overly advanced (only spent 16/20hours max on the problem), it was pretty clear than in most cases of abuse the stanchions would be first to fail.

 

[Curb Hucker]

Hope, Why does Hope suck? Cause you had a set and couldn't figure out how to set them up properly? They take a little more time setting up than a Hayes, but you really never hear about seal issues, 95% of the time someone is compaining about their brakes have NO CLUE what they are doing when working on them. Then again I guess that means they suck

youre on crack flyingman. Some of the really old hopes with closed systems had their fading issues, but so did other brakes back then. From my old Enduro4s, to the Minis, M4s, Mono M4s and Mono6s, I have had ZERO problems with them. Theyre not like hayes where you can just slap the calipers on the frame and say "i dont care about some rubbing" If you take the time to perfectly space out the caliper with the rotor, theyre the best working brakes out there. But some people dont like to spend the time (10min) to set them up good, so they suck

 

[OGRipper]

Yikes, that is scary, makes me glad I got the go-riders. Can we get confirmation as to whether that was a set from the first thinner batch? You'd think people like Brian who have the newer ones would want to know for sure. And Brian I know you have a lot of loyalty to the products you own but doesn't this worry you at all? I'd be freaked riding a set of those unless I knew for sure what's up...

 

[Brian HCM#1]

My MX6 was trash. The S8 was ok, but the MX6 damper failed, there really was no "fix" that would keep it happening again. Their products were obscenly heavy for what they were (8lbs for a 6" travel fork).

I've seen 2 break at N* (and I never frequented northstar a lot, only a few trips a year) and my buddy had a discoV, weighed about 140lbs, pulled the axles out one day and found that they were ALL bent. WTF? How about the leverage rate of the armegeddon in 11" mode? How about the leverage rate in the original discoV? To quote my fox connection, "WTF were they thinking?".

What frame hasn't broke at N*? All I was saying is they have a low failure rate, thats all. And you did get a bum MX6 cause I know many people who loved those forks.

 

[Jm_]

What frame hasn't broke at N*? All I was saying is they have a low failure rate, thats all. And you did get a bum MX6 cause I know many people who loved those forks.

who cares if it has a low failure rate (assuming this to be true) when the thing is leveraged past 3:1, you won't be able to ride it due to your shock getting fixed anyhow...

With exception to the current Army, these were the older bikes, but still, WTF were they thinking?


There's always one person that thinks Onza HO pedals were the best thing in the world.

 

[Spunger]

The point of this should be no product is 100% guarnteed against breakage. Period!

Stratos, Intense, Marzocchi, Santa Cruz, Karpiel, Hope, Hayes, WHATEVER! Jesus, some parts have no issues and others are worthless pieces of poop. You don't have to use Hopes, or Risse forks or crowns, or anything. I've "heard" many things about different products, and have to say until you own one and it fails then talk your smack, until then get over it...

So I'm suspose to never ride a Marzocchi fork because the 888 had pourous lowers??? On ONE model fork? No way, I'll take my chances with them. Same with Intense. So they've broken a few headtubes, big deal. No bike is full-proof. Did you read how it happened??? It was to a flat landing. I'd put any fork up to that and see what happens. I doubt a Boxxer or Sherman would have been whole still (maybe, but we're playing the game of what if's)

We all have our loyalites. Brian is a Hope person, mavic, king etc... Mavic's fail, Hope's fail, Kings......well they don't fail near as much but you get the point. Risse will fix whatever is wrong and go about their business. Accidents happen....

 

[Brian HCM#1]

who cares if it has a low failure rate (assuming this to be true) when the thing is leveraged past 3:1, you won't be able to ride it due to your shock getting fixed anyhow...

With exception to the current Army, these were the older bikes, but still, WTF were they thinking?


There's always one person that thinks Onza HO pedals were the best thing in the world.

Well they made corrections and fixed that issue. Anyways this was about sh*ty products, and I was questioned on my likes and product support thats all and I was trying to prove a point. I'm sure I can go on & on about parts sucking and breaking. I have my opinions about stuff, which I've owned and used, but a lot of people are just going by what they heard from other people.

I was refering to thaflyinfatman's response to me, anyways I want to know how many of those products you mentioned you've owned or ridden and had problem with?

 

[thaflyinfatman]

Okay smark guy

Stratos, How many Stratos products have you owned? The S8 happened to be a great, dependable fork (disreguard it's heigth), Majority of the people on this site will tell you that too. I know SEVERAL people that never had one bit of problems with their stuff. They had some bad luck mainly with one fork (S7) Then the customer service went to sh*t and the hate started rolling from there.

Karpiel, How does a Karpiel suck? I'm not talking about customer service. How many Karpiels have you seen fail (I'm not talking about the last batch Jan F'ed everyone on) Karpiel had a VERY small failure rate. Just cause the owner of the company may suck, doesn't mean his frames did.

Risse, Besides having issues with fork/shock seals, how many Risse crown, fork, shocks have you seen break? I don't personally recall 1 fork breaking, I'm not saying they wont or haven't, but then again I've seen RS & Marzocchi break so I guess they suck too?

Hope, Why does Hope suck? Cause you had a set and couldn't figure out how to set them up properly? They take a little more time setting up than a Hayes, but you really never hear about seal issues, 95% of the time someone is compaining about their brakes have NO CLUE what they are doing when working on them. Then again I guess that means they suck

And getting back to your first point, maybe Risse did F up on the first batch and didn't realize it, but while being tested NEVER had a problem with it, could that be possible, I'm not saying its not their fault but sometimes that happens.

Wow dude, I would have thought that between the monkey smilie and the inclusion of "Hope" (which I have really nothing against, other than the price over here), that you'd realise I was just poking fun... apparently I struck a nerve. Just calm down, clean your nappy p) and we'll all go back to not stressing so much.

But yeah, I do reckon those crowns were most likely lacking in R&D to do that... I've never ever seen any kind of crown failure like *that* before.

Oh and I've never seen a Risse fork break. I've seen all of, well, one in real life (there's maybe a dozen of em in Aus, in total). 1 out of 1 is pretty conclusive.

 

[James | Go-Ride]

Easy there fellas. As most of you are aware, we've had a long and happy relationship with the Risse guys. Their forks helped a lot of riders when the freeride/huck thing was getting started, they just haven't really kept up with technology. My post wasn't about getting their product flamed, although we certainly benefit from that happening Seriously though, there are no profit motives here. We're doing some new stuff with our crowns, and the Marz ones are probably going to make it difficult for the handful of companies making flat crowns for the 888 to continue justifying the potential for something like this happening.

Brian, you're right. Risse stuff does have a low failure rate as far as anything like this is concerned. But in this instance, I don't think this will be the last of those crowns breaking. You'll note the top crown is the stock 888 upper crown, which is probably why it's twisted and not broken. The Risse crowns are simply not up to snuff, and several people on the board have been trying to explain this to you for a few months now. Maybe Risse has thickened up the crown around the steerer pinch bolt since the first batch, but that doesn't fix the first batch. Risse and Stratos got away with pinch bolts on their crowns because the fork was designed around using that system. The 888 is not, and it's a good bit stiffer than a Trixxxy or probably even than a Champ, as the tollerances on Marz stuff is going to keep the fork a lot stiffer more of the time and transfer more stress to exactly the point where this crown broke. I am not excited to hear about one of our crowns breaking either, but I don't think it's going to happen. As Mani stated, the FEA we did showed that the stanchions would fail way before the crowns will.

I don't want this whole thing to explode, but it seems like it might be too late for that. So I'm going to say this: Maybe, just maybe, Risse started making the crowns and selling them for half of what we were doing to try to get a foot back in the market. Maybe they figured, as many board members here have speculated, that they've been doing this for so long that they didn't think there was a need to do a lot of FEA or stress testing or whatever on crowns for an 8" fork. I am absolutely not saying that I've heard that's what happened or anything along those lines, but it's a possibility.

Somebody said it's not Jed's bike. You're right, it's not, he just sent the pic. I would have posted the whole thing but it was too big to see the steerer tube sticking out underneath the frame. It's actually pretty funny, it looks like Steber called up OCC to make a DH bike.

 

[narlus]

Wow dude, I would have thought that between the monkey smilie and the inclusion of "Hope" (which I have really nothing against, other than the price over here),

yeah, the price is definitely a big consideration for not choosing hopes too. i am curious as to how many people on the board who don't have a price hookup (ie, curb hucker, brian), are sponsored by them, or live in the UK use 'em?

 

[partsbara]

yeah, the price is definitely a big consideration for not choosing hopes too. i am curious as to how many people on the board who don't have a price hookup (ie, curb hucker, brian), are sponsored by them, or live in the UK use 'em?

to derail this thread further .. yes i use hopes (have for 6 years)... like brian et al, yes i have a hook up... but if i didn t would i still run them???... sure, without a doubt... i mean, hell when ya spending 180 - 200 per brake (i m half guessing this is what other hydro brakes go for) why not spend another 20 - 30% and get something better... hope can be a nightmare, but only if you don t know how to set up / maintain them...

 

[Dunshee80]

Just a heads up to the people I've sold Risse crowns to. All of the crowns I've sold were the later model, ie, beefed up version, so you have nothing to worry about.
Thanks- Rob

 

[ChrisRobin]

A thread like this tends to come up once in a while and I get a kick out of it. It started by showing a Risse crown failing to people trashing other products. Well, how about this one...I won't own a 888 because I don't feel like having the dropouts break and developing oil leaks out of the middle of no where on the lowers.

 

[Curb Hucker]

yeah, the price is definitely a big consideration for not choosing hopes too. i am curious as to how many people on the board who don't have a price hookup (ie, curb hucker, brian), are sponsored by them, or live in the UK use 'em?

Im sponsored by them, Brian has a dealer hookup

 

[Trond]

Does anyone have a picture of the two versions? I bought mine at a European dealer, and can't figure out which I have.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Does anyone have a picture of the two versions? I bought mine at a European dealer, and can't figure out which I have.

Do you have any pics before you installed it? Or take a pic from the rear bottom of the lower crown, I maybe able to tell you.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

to derail this thread further .. yes i use hopes (have for 6 years)... like brian et al, yes i have a hook up... but if i didn t would i still run them???... sure, without a doubt... i mean, hell when ya spending 180 - 200 per brake (i m half guessing this is what other hydro brakes go for) why not spend another 20 - 30% and get something better... hope can be a nightmare, but only if you don t know how to set up / maintain them...

Yep, I'd pay full pop if I had too, damn I paid full pop for all my Avalanche stuff, but to me the performance is worth the $.

 

[Trond]

Do you have any pics before you installed it? Or take a pic from the rear bottom of the lower crown, I maybe able to tell you.

The beautiful upskirt shot on Rissecrown underwear and an El Cuerco top...

 

[mack]

The beautiful upskirt shot on Rissecrown underwear and an El Cuerco top...

that looks pretty thick to me.