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Risse 888 Flat Crowns

Acadian

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Sep 5, 2001
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Brian HCM#1 said:
Yep, I'd pay full pop if I had too, damn I paid full pop for all my Avalanche stuff, but to me the performance is worth the $.
not like you had the option anyway - Craig doesn't give deals to anyone (from what I've been told)
 

Fulton

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Nov 9, 2001
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Acadian said:
not like you had the option anyway - Craig doesn't give deals to anyone (from what I've been told)

yep, It has never made sense to me why they go to interbike every year, when they haven't had any type of oem or even wholesale program. They'll give a minimal discount on 5 shocks, but it's not even half of what a normal wholesale margin would be.

But, supposedly one of the reasons behind the new piggyback shock, is that they'll be able to start supplying to small builders, with better margins. This is directly from craig when I spoke with him at interbike. I doubt it will be full on oem pricing, but finally, a significant discount.
 

joelsman

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Feb 1, 2002
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thanks for posting those pics Brian, it is obvious that I have the new ones. and wtf were they thinking with the first design.
 

Brian HCM#1

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Fulton said:
yep, It has never made sense to me why they go to interbike every year, when they haven't had any type of oem or even wholesale program. They'll give a minimal discount on 5 shocks, but it's not even half of what a normal wholesale margin would be.
He's trying to sell a product, thats why he's there. He'll get more exposure from Interbike than just having his website. It would be nice if he did a little price break for retailers & manufactures, but then again it may be hard for him to do that and really make any profit since he probably moves very small quanities a month, he then would be losing $. Anywho thats my take on it.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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daveatrisse said:
hey this is dave from risse... who are you guys talking about... going to interbike and only makes 5 shocks and doesnt hook it up? that sucks that that clamp broke... there were very few of that style clamp made... around 10pcs... anybody that has the thinner style can get them switched for no charge... brain thanks for being loyal to our product... ride on dude.. these people are lame... big xc riders that own dh bikes that way 30 pounds... ride a lassen or a 50+lb bike and then we can talk... but these dudes are lame.. the 888 is a waste of time for me.. i think they suck... the rebound knob takes days to adjust and you really dont even have that much adjustment. and the compression adjustment blows a fatty load... no change... the fork is way soft even for a 180lb rider... i would rather pay the extra money and get a champ. or a rigid fork... dh bikes suck bmx is way better
Hahahahaaaa. This is a joke, right?
 

Toshi

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Oct 23, 2001
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ohio said:
Hahahahaaaa. This is a joke, right?
thanks for quoting it to preserve it for posterity. if it really is real, then it's not helping risse's cause... :p
 

ED75

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Dec 3, 2003
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Eric, without seeing how the lower crown failed, or more info about what conditions led up to it (ie. flat landing), it is not responsible for me to speculate as to the cause. The very first batch (15- 20 pieces) of crowns had a much thinner section. These were first introduced at the Sea Otter in April of this year. After more testing, we made a few changes to the lower crown. While we kept the design with a split lower steerer tube clamp to allow the end user to be able to switch the steerer, we increased the thickness in the area of the steerer tube. These changes increased the strength and our crowns are stronger than stock. It is also important to ensure that all of bolts are torqued to 7 Nm +/- 1. If you or anyone has an older set, we are happy to exchange them for a new set. Here is a picture of the underside of the lower crown.

Let me know if you have any other questions,

Sincerely,

Kevin J. Risse
Risse Racing Technology
1240 Redwood Blvd.
Redding, CA 96003
This seems way more serious ............
 

Kntr

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Jan 25, 2003
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How does Risse stay in business? Do they still sell a lot of forks and shocks? I have only seen a few in the last year or so.

If Risse had a problem with the first 15-20, you would think they would contact these people and exchange them for the stronger version. Yes, it would be costly but it would save them from threads like this one and also help them save face......
 

Fulton

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Nov 9, 2001
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Kanter said:
How does Risse stay in business? Do they still sell a lot of forks and shocks? I have only seen a few in the last year or so.

If Risse had a problem with the first 15-20, you would think they would contact these people and exchange them for the stronger version. Yes, it would be costly but it would save them from threads like this one and also help them save face......
I think they do alot of machine work, outside of the cycling industry.

Seriously though, what the deal with the risse post? i'm not seeing any of them now.....?
 

DHS

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Apr 23, 2002
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wow, he deleted his posts....
though we already quoted him.

Ridemonkey is filled with pros, bike company workers and such and they talk good things about other companies that haven't nothing to do with their company(s)

all Risse guy could do was BASH every suspension company.

if the 888 sucks so much, why is it one of the best selling ones in the world.
i have 2 and very happy with them

"the rebound knob doesn't work"
"the compression doesn't do anything"
um yea i feel the difference out on the trail, thats why its HSCV, high speed compression.
i'm not a suspension guy or anything, but come on.
 

buildyourown

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Feb 9, 2004
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DHS said:
wow, he deleted his posts....
though we already quoted him.

Ridemonkey is filled with pros, bike company workers and such and they talk good things about other companies that haven't nothing to do with their company(s)

all Risse guy could do was BASH every suspension company.

if the 888 sucks so much, why is it one of the best selling ones in the world.
i have 2 and very happy with them

"the rebound knob doesn't work"
"the compression doesn't do anything"
um yea i feel the difference out on the trail, thats why its HSCV, high speed compression.
i'm not a suspension guy or anything, but come on.

I think that post was a joke and the poster was bogus.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
 

DHS

Friendly Neighborhood Pool Boy
Apr 23, 2002
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why not.....

still every time i've worked with risse i've felt the same vibe. that random guy just made me remeber.
 

Brian HCM#1

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Sep 7, 2001
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DHS said:
wow, he deleted his posts....
though we already quoted him.

Ridemonkey is filled with pros, bike company workers and such and they talk good things about other companies that haven't nothing to do with their company(s)

all Risse guy could do was BASH every suspension company.

if the 888 sucks so much, why is it one of the best selling ones in the world.
i have 2 and very happy with them

"the rebound knob doesn't work"
"the compression doesn't do anything"
um yea i feel the difference out on the trail, thats why its HSCV, high speed compression.
i'm not a suspension guy or anything, but come on.
Its not anyone who works for Risse, I checked the IP address. Unless this guy commutes 2.5 hours each way to work for Risse, it appears to be a bogus post.
 

syadasti

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Apr 15, 2002
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Brian HCM#1 said:
Its not anyone who works for Risse, I checked the IP address. Unless this guy commutes 2.5 hours each way to work for Risse, it appears to be a bogus post.
So does he work for Marz, Go-Ride, or another company then :sneaky:
 

oly

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Dec 6, 2001
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Brian HCM#1 said:
Its not anyone who works for Risse, I checked the IP address. Unless this guy commutes 2.5 hours each way to work for Risse, it appears to be a bogus post.
It was a dave that works at risse. I called him on another item and he mentioned this thread. I dont know why he deleted the post. Maybe he realized after making the post he shouldnt openly criticize other competitors products Uhem.... , or maybe since risse doesnt advertize here that it was deleted by some one else? Hm.....

Anyways, feel free to call them up and tell them in person how you think they suck. Every dealing ive had with them has been without problem. They even rebuilt my shock to accomodate my scream to change the hose routing, for free. I know every company has issues from the past, but from my dealings with the j7 i wouldnt hesitate to use their products again.

-my 2c
 

Brian HCM#1

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oly said:
It was a dave that works at risse. I called him on another item and he mentioned this thread. I dont know why he deleted the post. Maybe he realized after making the post he shouldnt openly criticize other competitors products Uhem.... , or maybe since risse doesnt advertize here that it was deleted by some one else? Hm.....

Anyways, feel free to call them up and tell them in person how you think they suck. Every dealing ive had with them has been without problem. They even rebuilt my shock to accomodate my scream to change the hose routing, for free. I know every company has issues from the past, but from my dealings with the j7 i wouldnt hesitate to use their products again.

-my 2c
I just got off the phone with Dave from Risse (he called me and I called him back), IT WAS NOT him that posted that. That was the first one he's heard of breaking, the skinny lower crowns were designed by someone from the Europe and were made exclusively for him, however a few (maybe 2-3) made it out in the states without anyone realizing it (I was one of them who received one) Anyways there has not been a problem with them as far as he knows, and I was told if there is a problem with someones crown being defective, contact Risse and they will take care of it.
 

oly

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Dec 6, 2001
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Brian HCM#1 said:
I just got off the phone with Dave from Risse (he called me and I called him back), IT WAS NOT him that posted that. That was the first one he's heard of breaking, the skinny lower crowns were designed by someone from the Europe and were made exclusively for him, however a few (maybe 2-3) made it out in the states without anyone realizing it (I was one of them who received one) Anyways there has not been a problem with them as far as he knows, and I was told if there is a problem with someones crown being defective, contact Risse and they will take care of it.
Um, i dont get it then. Who was it i spoke to? Could there be 2 daves there?? I got a response on my risse shock for sale from Daveatrisse saying call down and we can help with your shock. So i called the # on their website, and asked for dave, and spoke to him, and he had mentioned a post on RM and he didnt mean my post. We talked a bit about the 888 and thats when he asked if i had seen his post. At that time i hadnt.

Strange. Maybe its a conspiricy......
 

Zia Monkey

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Nov 12, 2004
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I sent my Risse Champ to the factory to have the seals replaced and when I got the fork back it didn't have the brake mount on it. I called a spoke with Dave, and he tried telling me that is was my fault for leaving it on the fork. After talking with Kevin and trying to get things resolved he shipped me a new one (shows up a week after I got the fork back). So I finally get the fork back on my bike and take it for a test ride, only to find out that the fork bottoms out when jumping of a curb. Talked with Kevin again and asked if he could ship out another fork due to the fact that there were only a few weeks of riding left down in NM. I got the new fork legs fairly quickly, but when I put them on I realized that one leg is an inch longer than the other. I was told by Risse that it was ok, and that I could ride it like it was. Anyway, on the second run of the day (3 weeks after I originally sent the fork in) I happened to look down at one of the legs and it was dripping fluid. Either I have had bad luck with Risse or something is wrong with the way they assemble and manufacture their products.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Brian HCM#1 said:
I just got off the phone with Dave from Risse (he called me and I called him back), IT WAS NOT him that posted that. That was the first one he's heard of breaking, the skinny lower crowns were designed by someone from the Europe and were made exclusively for him, however a few (maybe 2-3) made it out in the states
No offense Brian, but it sounds like you were fed a thick pile of poo. Like "oh yeah, I have a hot girlfriend... uh, she's up in canada. Yeah, in Canada."

From Oly's post, and the "input" from the Risse folks, it sounds to me like they mispec'd the CNC work and shipped out the parts without enough QC to catch the problem. They've backtracked and replaced the faulty crowns, but probably not as actively as they should have. Dave posted an angry rant, and then removed it when he realized how dumb it was, and that this is really Risse's fault, and then made up some stupid excuse about Europe instead of admitting it was bad QC when you spoke to him.

It's fine. The moral is: they make nice, cheap parts, but their quality control and customer follow-up sucks. They should be thanking their lucky stars they don't have a lawsuit on their hands, and apologizing like Bill to Hillary for ever letting those crowns slip through to the public.
 

Jeremy R

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Nov 15, 2001
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Ha, my favorite part of this thread is how the number of crap crowns that shipped out keeps getting smaller. First it was 15, then it was 10, and now it is 2 to 3. I suppose tomorrow when I log on, it will be down to none at all and this whole thing was in our imagination. :confused:
 

Curb Hucker

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Feb 4, 2004
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Jeremy R said:
Ha, my favorite part of this thread is how the number of crap crowns that shipped out keeps getting smaller. First it was 15, then it was 10, and now it is 2 to 3. I suppose tomorrow when I log on, it will be down to none at all and this whole thing was in our imagination. :confused:
I just spoke with Dave at Risse and he told me that he has no knowledge of any defect crowns ever being produced :p