RM Prosecutors: What is your charge?
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Then you could use your beard as a brake somehow, I'm sure.
If cars were only required to have one brake I would give you a pass on it. But cars have to have brakes front and rear. Only 1 wheel is described in the law about bikes.
It's a two-prong legal test here. You need a brake. And that brake needs to be capable of locking the wheel. Fail to meet either requirement and you don't meet the legal standard.
Regardless of how you pedal the bike or don't pedal it or use the thighs in your girly jeans to resist its motion, you need a brake. "Brake" is a device in this context, not a verb.
This isn't a question or an argument, it's a statement of the legal truth. Nothing you say changes this.
My $800 worth of Hope M6 Mono Ti brakes couldn't lock up my wheels back in the day. Most expensive illegal brakes ever.
My old Hope C2s were awesome. I did sort of enjoy having to dial out the master cylinder caps with my forefinger and thumb on long runs on hot days in Big Bear, too.
Here is the definition of brake ala websters.
"Definition of BRAKE
1
: a device for arresting or preventing the motion of a mechanism usually by means of friction "
Ok, so my cranks and chain and cogs are together would be a "device" correct? and I use it to arrest/ prevent motion of my bike right???? Now the definition also says usually, now from my understanding of English usually doesn't mean ALWAYS now does it??? Said device is also well capable of causing my back wheel to skid.
The fact that the device used to stop, also makes me go is also irrelevant.
Again, I have been stopped several times and never got a ticket. And beyond specific city ordinances (I think Davis has one) there is nothing that specifies coaster or hand brakes.
Nope. Nice try, though.
And lack of enforcement doesn't mean the law doesn't exist on the books. Cops probably have no idea the law exists or what your bike has or doesn't have.
I already posted the law buddy.......
Could you please point out the hand operated part of the law??? Or the part that talks about friction???? Or the part that says your drive train can't be a brake???? or that it has to be some sort of special braking only device????
No ****. It's one of the many reasons I'm perplexed by your continued argument against legal, mechanical, and physical reality.
Please go to law school. We really need another Dirt to double down our retarded lawyer count.
I've got you the last 10 times fool. My simple basic logic has been beating out your "sophisticated intellectualism." but then again, I guess you must be that much smarter than me finding things in texts that simply aren't there.
He's also the guy who would insist on taking his right of way on a bike, even if he's dead right about it.
Really, did you go there too?????? I thought you were a scumbag, I mean in the banking industry.
I'll stick with engineering thank you, better job opportunities.
Holy ****ing ****.
ummm, you mean the one that gives me the same rights as cars???.....
Find me where in the definition of mechanical is friction required? or in the law where any sort of friction is required. I'm perplexed as to where you are seeing this????
As well how is a drive train on a bike NOT a mechanical device???? Is this like right wing economics or something????
Jezus, kid, it's not worth my time...but FYI, I never said friction was required.
Go ahead and go into court and tell a judge that your car's brakes consist of taking your foot off the accelerator and downshifting. Have fun, genius.
I guess you missed the part where cars need brakes on all 4 wheels. The law for bikes stated 1 wheel needs a brake.
Hoo boy are you ever mistaken.......
I guess you missed the part where that doesn't ****ing matter. Slowing your engine isn't a brake. The car is an illustration of the absurdity of your point. That is all.
There is a foot operated coaster brake, of course.
But you are right the law is ambiguous about what exactly is a brake. Is your foot on the back wheel a brake? Or pedaling backwards a brake? The law, which my guess was designed around existing bikes, does not say.
Now that I am a motorcycle rider, I've learned about possibilities.
The chances of dying on a motorcycle are much higher than a bicycle. Still it is extremely unlikely that anything will happen, but that possibility has moto riders wearing lots of gear and studying safety regularly.
The chances of getting hurt on a bike is less, but still possible. In the case of the dead woman, the rider wasn't being careful. I don't know if he riding a fixie, on a cell phone, or the exact circumstance which he killed a woman.
So, yes, most circumstances, no front brake is fine. I hope there is not a 1 in a million chance for you.
Funny. That seems to be the same phrase I use whenever I neg rep you. Well, at least you finally learned how to use "you're" correctly.
And whoever did this: "mooshoo-attorney at lulz"... that was funny
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It's always hilarious to me when someone tries way too hard to justify a sketchy bike set-up.
Personally I don't really care if my fixed gear is a "brake" under the law, and I'm generally not worried about hurting someone else. As a matter of self-preservation, running a fixie without a front brake is just stupid, especially in an urban setting. And the skill argument is a joke.
Stop trying to justify it. There's no good reason other than fashion. Just own it.
Personally I don't really care if my fixed gear is a "brake" under the law, and I'm generally not worried about hurting someone else. As a matter of self-preservation, running a fixie without a front brake is just stupid, especially in an urban setting. And the skill argument is a joke.
Stop trying to justify it. There's no good reason other than fashion. Just own it.
Funny how cars weigh several thousand pounds, and the laws regulating them are totally different. Just because the same laws apply to the rules of the road, does not mean the same rules apply to how the vehicle is constructed/ operates.
They tried to pass a "fixies, while still ghey don't have to have a brake" law, but it didn't fly here.
http://bikeportland.org/2007/12/19/katu-takes-on-fixie-ticketing-issue-6224
I still think a track bike (no brakes) shouldn't be allowed on the street. Just like a track moto isn't legal for the street (no lights). They are called "Track Bikes" for a reason.
Besides, my fixie troll went a hell of a lot farther than I thought it would.
http://bikeportland.org/2007/12/19/katu-takes-on-fixie-ticketing-issue-6224
I still think a track bike (no brakes) shouldn't be allowed on the street. Just like a track moto isn't legal for the street (no lights). They are called "Track Bikes" for a reason.
Besides, my fixie troll went a hell of a lot farther than I thought it would.
@ mooshoo-attorney at lulz.
For a poor kid from the projects you're pretty smart. You should consider joining the Military. Sell your truck first, those things are money pits....
What about a 4 wheel drive car?
Look, this is retarded. Don't tell me that your foot and drivetrain is a brake or that shoving a stick into your spokes is a "mechanism" or any other crap like that. Go into a bike shop, ask for some brakes. Anyone hand you a chain and a pair of shoes? Didn't think so. Your "simple basic logic" is overriding whatever common sense you have.
and jewbacca defense
I don't think he has much to override, but awful nice of you to assume that was the issue.
and jewbacca defense
Mods, rep some tags for me, please.
No, because judges drive cars.
Hitting a cyclist is about the safest thing you can do as a motorist. You generally get in more trouble as a motorist for hitting a safety cone.
he's not hairy enough to be a jewbacca, a goybacca yes, jewbacca no
please stay out of engineering, we've already had the hindenburg, the titanic, and amtrak trains are STILL derailling
Its Kalifornia. He'll get 2nd Manslaughter (because after all, you can't have "manslaughter" without "laughter) and he'll serve 5 to 7, out in 4 for good behavior and learning to fellate his cellmate.
JK, doing QA on Engineering for the rest of us.
He should become the Fixie Defender like homeboy here.