[eric strt6]

Electrocuted while digging a grave for the family dog. Must have hit a buried service line drop either for the pool or the home. It would need to be 220 to do it

Rock star tour manager dies in shock accident at Bay Area home

'I learned so much about how to be a good person from Mick.'

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[johnbryanpeters]

It would need to be 220 VAC exactly why?

 

[eric strt6]

A 110 doesn't really have that kind of punch behind it. It will shock you, it may toss you (been there done that) but you are not usually going to get fried by it (You can but its much rarer Like standing in the bathtub full of water and dropping in the blow dryer). 220 is a nasty beast. I know of firefighters killed by the 220 service drop

 

[Westy]

In the US 220 volts is two 110 lines 180 degrees out of phase and really doesn't have an increased danger as people typically get electrocuted by completing the circuit to ground which still only has 110v of potential. The same as a normal outlet.

 

[4xBoy]

I got tickled by my service into my house taking snow off the roof, lucky I had a thick leather gloves and didn't grab on.

I don't want to try it again.

 

[Jm_]

It would be wrong to ask you why
Because I know what goes inside
Is only half of what comes out
Isn't that what it's about?
It's about
To remind us we're alive
To remind us we're not blind
In that big, black hole
Comfortable
Digging the grave, I got it made
Let something in, throw something out?
You left the door open wide
I know you have a reason why
That knot is better left untied
I just went and undid mine
It takes some time
And the shadow's so big
It takes the sun out of the day
And the feeling goes away
When you close the door
Comfortable
Digging the grave, I got it made
Let something in, or throw something out?
You left the door open wide
Digging the grave, I got it made
Comfortable
Digging the grave, I got it made
Let something in, throw something out?
You left the door open wide
And it's out of this world, comfortable
Out of this world, comfortable
Out of this world, comfortable
Out of this world, comfortable

 

[johnbryanpeters]

48 Volts, AC or DC, is about the point at which a human being is in danger of a fatal electrical shock. 120 or 240 Volts are both more readily effective. Don't fuck around.

 

[Jm_]

Isn’t it the amps that kill you? except for low amperage at the voltage that can defibrillate?

Probably at least a combination, but I was taught that volts is pressure and amps is #of electrons. You can have real high voltage that does nothing to you.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Isn’t it the amps that kill you? except for low amperage at the voltage that can defibrillate?

20 mA (0.02 A) can be fatal. I spent something over a decade as a manufacturing engineer for switching power supplies, battery backups, and power controllers. Eric's assertion that 120 VAC is not threatening is simply untrue.

 

[Jm_]

20 mA (0.02 A) can be fatal. I spent something over a decade as a manufacturing engineer for switching power supplies, battery backups, and power controllers. Eric's assertion that 120 VAC is not threatening is simply untrue.

Shocking information.

 

[Westy]

20 mA (0.02 A) can be fatal. I spent something over a decade as a manufacturing engineer for switching power supplies, battery backups, and power controllers. Eric's assertion that 120 VAC is not threatening is simply untrue.

It just depends a lot on the complete situation. I think that is 20 mA across your heart. So if you short a circuit with both your hands you are going to be in a lot more danger than if you short the same circuit between two fingers. I've actually known dumbass electricians who will show off and test circuits by doing just that. In theory I can grab a 600V line with one hand and be fine if I am wearing my electrically rated Red Wing boots, I have also seem dumb ass electricians do this. I'm sure someone has unknowingly stepped on a nail and had that little trick go sideways. With a few basic precautions electrocution is rare. I am not a licensed electrician but have been trained to "diagnose" circuits up to 600V and a Short Circuit Current Rating below a certain threshold. As long as proper precautions are taken, and you don't ground yourself the major danger becomes the arc flash, basically a ball of plasma that will burn you and possibly electrocute you, either way it would be a closed casket funeral. Arc flashes can even occur on low voltage systems if they can carry high currents. We some battery systems at work that are terrifying as a dropped screwdriver shorting out a huge bank of 48V batteries can cause a significant arc flash.

 

[kidwoo]

guess he didn't call before he dug

 

[4xBoy]

End of the day, I am in love and scared to death of electricity.

But back to, how many more stones are going to be gone this year?

 

[johnbryanpeters]

It just depends a lot on the complete situation. I think that is 20 mA across your heart. So if you short a circuit with both your hands you are going to be in a lot more danger than if you short the same circuit between two fingers. I've actually known dumbass electricians who will show off and test circuits by doing just that. In theory I can grab a 600V line with one hand and be fine if I am wearing my electrically rated Red Wing boots, I have also seem dumb ass electricians do this. I'm sure someone has unknowingly stepped on a nail and had that little trick go sideways. With a few basic precautions electrocution is rare. I am not a licensed electrician but have been trained to "diagnose" circuits up to 600V and a Short Circuit Current Rating below a certain threshold. As long as proper precautions are taken, and you don't ground yourself the major danger becomes the arc flash, basically a ball of plasma that will burn you and possibly electrocute you, either way it would be a closed casket funeral. Arc flashes can even occur on low voltage systems if they can carry high currents. We some battery systems at work that are terrifying as a dropped screwdriver shorting out a huge bank of 48V batteries can cause a significant arc flash.

Yes, it's 20 mA across the heart. There are precautions, one of which is to work one-handed. I still do home wiring work...

 

[eric strt6]

I didn't say 120 was safe. I just indicated that is most instances it's more survivable

 

[jonKranked]

Arguing about electricity is more interesting than the rolling stones

 

[boostindoubles]

Call before you dig. SMH


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I wonder what janky wiring he ran into. Or he was swinging a pick? He was burying a pet they say. I bet his ticker was already hurting not to mention being in his 70s and having a go of it the last 50 years.

Seems like most shovels and pick handles are pretty well insulated from the swinging head. Must have been pushing in a spade with his foot when he was lit up. Yikes!

 

[kidwoo]

Arguing about electricity is more interesting than the rolling stones

when even willemm dafoe makes fun of you

 

[rideit]

I wonder if it had a 50 Amp Fuse

 

[Westy]

Call before you dig. SMH


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I wonder what janky wiring he ran into. Or he was swinging a pick? He was burying a pet they say. I bet his ticker was already hurting not to mention being in his 70s and having a go of it the last 50 years.

Seems like most shovels and pick handles are pretty well insulated from the swinging head. Must have been pushing in a spade with his foot when he was lit up. Yikes!

I got nailed by a leg of 480V in my left armpit once after a color blind electrician swapped a hot leg for ground. My heart definitely didn't work properly for a second or two but was perfectly fine in a few minutes, well other than being blinded by rage. Probably wouldn't be alive if not being poorly grounded as I was standing on carpet covered by several layers of tyvek while setting up for a trade show.

 

[rideit]

‘Color Blind Electrician’ would be a good name for…










someone in the wrong line of work

 

[Westy]

‘Color Blind Electrician’ would be a good name for…










someone in the wrong line of work

No shit. At the end of the show I had people tearing down the booth and some of the union goons came over threatening to shut us down for doing their work. I mentioned a fictional "official complaint" over the incident if they wanted to go by the book and they just offered to help. The McCormick Place in Chicago is a hell hole of corruption.

Also a shining beacon of racism in labor.

 

[jdcamb]

No shit. At the end of the show I had people tearing down the booth and some of the union goons came over threatening to shut us down for doing their work. I mentioned a fictional "official complaint" over the incident if they wanted to go by the book and they just offered to help. The McCormick Place in Chicago is a hell hole of corruption.

Also a shining beacon of racism in labor.

Every year Reuters (Thompson) would have the Fair Convention at McCormack place. It was hell hole of corruption.

 

[stevew]

chicago....hell hole...corruption....shocking...

 

[maxyedor]

Voltage arguments aside, that’s a pretty shocking accident. Haven’t seen a shovel with a conductive handle, well, ever. You may stomp on the metal blade with your foot, but you’d likely be wearing shoes while digging, right? That should have you totally insulated no?

Was on a job site once where a guy cut through a 480v 3phase line. He was fine, the saws-all took the brunt of it and was pretty gooey afterwards. Nothing buried in a residential yard is going to be zestiest than 480v line.

 

[Adventurous]

Yes, it's 20 mA across the heart. There are precautions, one of which is to work one-handed. I still do home wiring work...

I seem to recall from my electrical training at work that it's a 1/6 chance of being fatal if it's across the heart. That 1/6 chance corresponding to a point in the heartbeat cycle where it gets stuck and cannot self-recover.

But yes, the goal is to work in a fashion that if you were to make an oopsie, the electricity does not have a path through your core. That's when things get zesty.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

The McCormick Place in Chicago is a hell hole of corruption

As was the entire state of Massachusetts when I worked in the Cambridge/Boston area...

 

[eric strt6]

never had a problem with the union guys at McCormick Of course we always included a 6 pack of cold beer for the dock guys when delivering our booth and offering to sell them our watches (what we were selling) at wholesale made us quite popular. We would usually be able to cover our booth costs by selling them around 100 watches...which is why we always brought along an extra couple of hundred or so

 

[Westy]

never had a problem with the union guys at McCormick Of course we always included a 6 pack of cold beer for the dock guys when delivering our booth and offering to sell them our watches (what we were selling) at wholesale made us quite popular. We would usually be able to cover our booth costs by selling them around 100 watches...which is why we always brought along an extra couple of hundred or so

We had a 14,000 square foot booth with 11 tractor trailers of equipment that needed to be setup. We basically had to get a medium sized factory up and running in two weeks. A 6 pack wasn't going to cut it. No one was making YouTube videos when I was there but here is the 2016 version.

I bet someone tried to steal the Corvette.