After much wrestling to get that crisp shimano feel from my brakes I am one by one trying to get rid of possibilites from the mush feel I am still getting at the lever. The setup is a pretty standard shimano Saint setup, callipers and rotors with sintered pads and standard hoses, however I am running the wavy "braking" rotors (badged up in the UK as Aztec) as opposed to the standard shimano ones as I wanted a 180mm 6 bolt setup, and shimano only make this rotor in centrelock. I have bled till I am blue in the face, swapped pads, levers etc but still have more mush at the lever than with my previous shimano brakes (with standard rotors) and any customers bikes that I have serviced or setup with these brakes, which must be 4 odd years of working on Shimano brakes, or however long since they came out. The only thing I am wondering is if the rotors are the weak point and causing a bit of mush at the levers, possibly as the pad may not have full contact with the rotor at any one time due to the fluctations in diameter of the disc. Braking power etc is all fine, it is just the feel of the brake that is driving me up the wall, which bugs me as one of the main reasons for me buying Shimano is because of the great lever feel they normally have.