[seismic]

A friend of mine is thinking about getting rid of his old steel cranks and buying Saint or Middelburn rs7. Anybody knows if there are any particular advantages/disadvantages with these cranks or are they actually very similar in quality and strength ?? Presonally I have never tried them, so I am kind of lost what to suggest

 

[Zark]

Saints are very beefy and stiff, very slick installation too. I like my Saints a lot. The RS7's are a lot lighter so I hear.

 

[FlipSide]

Middleburns are probably lighter.

I have a question about Saint cranks: Does the outboard bearings require a longer splindle and throws out the chainline a bit or or is it a non-issue?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

I'm digging on my Middleburns after using Profiles for 2 years. I too wondered about the outboard bearing/spindle effecting the chainline.

 

[seismic]

I'm digging on my Middleburns after using Profiles for 2 years. I too wondered about the outboard bearing/spindle effecting the chainline.

So, - do you like the middleburns better than your Profiles ? And if "yes" then why ? Also, - which box do you use with Middleburns ?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

So, - do you like the middleburns better than your Profiles ? And if "yes" then why ? Also, - which box do you use with Middleburns ?

Box? Bottom bracket? I use a Race Face Signature DH. I found the Middleburns almost as stiff as the Profiles, but way way lighter. Plus you have a wide range of interchangible spiders. After a full DH season on the Middleburns, I'm pretty much sold on them.

 

[Zark]

Middleburns are probably lighter.

I have a question about Saint cranks: Does the outboard bearings require a longer splindle and throws out the chainline a bit or or is it a non-issue?

The chainline is pretty good, I've noticed no huge difference there. The outboard bearing cranks definitely have a wider Q factor. Shimano's new front der. is designed around outboard bearings so it has some effect. In the single ring application it is doubtful you'll notice.

Shimano only has one spindle length so if you bike requires something wider than a 118mm BB it won't work.

 

[seismic]

Box? Bottom bracket? I use a Race Face Signature DH. I found the Middleburns almost as stiff as the Profiles, but way way lighter. Plus you have a wide range of interchangible spiders. After a full DH season on the Middleburns, I'm pretty much sold on them.

Yeah, - sorry Brian ..I meant BB It sounds alright like you are kind of sold on the MB cranks....are there different models here or is there only one RS7 in production...I saw somewhere that there exist an RS8 too

 

[Acadian]

are there different models here or is there only one RS7 in production...I saw somewhere that there exist an RS8 too

www.middleburn.co.uk

 

[seismic]

www.middleburn.co.uk

Thanks for the site !

 

[Incubus]

....Shimano only has one spindle length so if you bike requires something wider than a 118mm BB it won't work.

That's changing for '05. They'll have spindle lengths for shells that're normally mated to a 150mm spaced rear.

And I completely agree with the Saint mounting system. It can't be beat.

Downside to Saint: you'll likely need an outboard bearing specific tool. And they're a heavy as a mofo.

 

[dexter]

get xt crank arms and rf atlus cups uber light stiff and strong

 

[Funky Monk]

You're talking two considerably different kinds of cranks here.

The Middleburns are probably the lighest DH cranks available on the market at the moment. They're also plenty durable and stiff for the average user. Lifetime warranty even under competitive use, which is a HUGE plus.

The Saints on the other hand, are probably the heaviest of cranks..and we're talking almost profile-heavy here. But all that weight comes with a lot of advantages...the bearing system is one, followed by the overall stiffness and durability of the crankset.

In the end you have to be realistic and consider what you actually need...unless you're a filthy gearwhore like myself and just get the RS7's You might want to consider the new RaceFace line as well...

 

[seismic]

You're talking two considerably different kinds of cranks here.

The Middleburns are probably the lighest DH cranks available on the market at the moment. They're also plenty durable and stiff for the average user. Lifetime warranty even under competitive use, which is a HUGE plus.

The Saints on the other hand, are probably the heaviest of cranks..and we're talking almost profile-heavy here. But all that weight comes with a lot of advantages...the bearing system is one, followed by the overall stiffness and durability of the crankset.

In the end you have to be realistic and consider what you actually need...unless you're a filthy gearwhore like myself and just get the RS7's You might want to consider the new RaceFace line as well...

So you are running RS7 ?? Which BB do you use ???

 

[seismic]

get xt crank arms and rf atlus cups uber light stiff and strong

Sorry for being negative, - but I do not trust XT...seen too much broken ! :mumble:

 

[Acadian]

So you are running RS7 ?? Which BB do you use ???

I use then and use a Truvativ BB. you can use any ISIS BB available.

 

[seismic]

I use then and use a Truvativ BB. you can use any ISIS BB available.

So it is possible to choose from Truvative and RF ISIS....nice

 

[Curb Hucker]

So it is possible to choose from Truvative and RF ISIS....nice

Truvativ, FSA, or Raceface, any ISIS BB will work, personally I use Truvativ on my RS7s. Middleburns are the best cranks ive ever owned. Incredibly stiff, strong, and light

 

[dexter]

um the new xt's?? iv never seen a set busted and they are probably the most popular cranks that we sell at our shops in denver
the old ones now thats a different story

 

[heikkihall]

Shimano only has one spindle length so if you bike requires something wider than a 118mm BB it won't work.

Until the '05 stuff comes out

 

[DHS]

where would you order middle burns in the US?
and how much are they?
RS7s 170mm, 110bcd, ISIS
thanks

 

[seismic]

It sounds like the MB are really cool cranks....I do not know if they are as stiff as Saint, but it sounds like I can expect them to hold up as well......or what ?

 

[Curb Hucker]

where would you order middle burns in the US?
and how much are they?
RS7s 170mm, 110bcd, ISIS
thanks

PM Brian_HCM#1 if you want some

 

[Curb Hucker]

It sounds like the MB are really cool cranks....I do not know if they are as stiff as Saint, but it sounds like I can expect them to hold up as well......or what ?

they do feel as stiff as saints, yes they will hold up fine

 

[DHS]

Brian Empty Your Pms!!!!

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Brian Empty Your Pms!!!!

I did.

 

[punkassean]

Brian, can you get MB hubs? If not do you know where I can get some? I'm dying for their interchangeable front hub

On topic: I thought the point of outboard bearings was that they could fit inside of the small ring and not affect the chainline

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Brian, can you get MB hubs?

Yes I can.

 

[Fury]

A friend of mine is thinking about getting rid of his old steel cranks and buying Saint or Middelburn rs7. Anybody knows if there are any particular advantages/disadvantages with these cranks or are they actually very similar in quality and strength ?? Presonally I have never tried them, so I am kind of lost what to suggest

Check this out: http://reviews.southerndownhill.com/html/2004_middleburn_saints_comparison.html

 

[Funky Monk]

So you are running RS7 ?? Which BB do you use ???

I don't actually own any RS7's at the moment, but know them pretty well. Any Truvativ, FSA or Race Face isis dh bb will be fine...until the KING one comes out...



(Kidding. I know it probably never will...)

 

[-dustin]

are Brian's prices cheaper than Speedgoat? am i allowed to ask that? or more importantly, is Brian allowed to answer?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

PM me for details.

 

[Curb Hucker]

Brian this thread alone has generated some interest. Make a post up saying that if youre interested in middleburns at a good price and want them in the coming weeks they should pm you

 

[-dustin]

maybe we can all order together and get a discount

 

[DHS]

maybe we can all order together and get a discount

i might be up for that...

 

[Fury]

I might be up for that as well...

 

[J5ive]

I'm running the saints without any issue. The q factor isn't that big actually, definatly no bigger than the cromo cranks they are replacing. And so far the bearings are perfectly smooth. Beautiful.