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Rumsfield: Force alone can't beat terror

Toshi

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Rumsfeld [...] portrayed the US counterterrorism effort as a global operation that has been largely successful, while conceding that ''it's almost impossible to have metrics" that determine whether Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups are being drained of support around the world.

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The United States, in large part because of the war in Iraq, continues to get pilloried on a daily basis in the Arab press and polls show that a majority of the Middle East sees the US in a negative light.

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What we have seen is so much emphasis on hard power that we have helped create more recruits for Osama bin Laden," [Joseph] Nye, now a professor of government at Harvard University, said in an interview yesterday.

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The United States and its allies have to ''make sure that the effort is directed at the problems -- plural, not a single problem," Rumsfeld said. ''I know there's an effort to cut off funding to the more radical madrassa schools and to convert a number of those schools, for example in Pakistan, to schools that teach things that are useful to a life, such as languages and mathematics and science."
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ok, so we're winning a war in which we can't even judge or own progress (or lack thereof)...? i commend rumsfield for taking a short breather from beating his war-stick with the comments on education, but unless this u.s. education effort is tantamount to brainwashing how can we change the overwhelmingly negative impression of the u.s.? magic?
 
Changleen

Changleen

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1. Get rid of GW and stop Foreign policy hypocracy
2. Stop support for Israel's murder
3. Stop biased and one sided foreign policy towards Arab/3rd world
4. Actual Free Trade, not the current 'not-actually-very-free-at-all trade'
5. Stop behaving like the US knows best about everything
6. Don't call people evil at the drop of a hat
 
N8 v2.0

N8 v2.0

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Changleen said:
1. Get rid of GW and stop Foreign policy hypocracy
2. Stop support for Israel's murder
3. Stop biased and one sided foreign policy towards Arab/3rd world
4. Actual Free Trade, not the current 'not-actually-very-free-at-all trade'
5. Stop behaving like the US knows best about everything
6. Don't call people evil at the drop of a hat
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Just think how frustrated you will be when Bush is re-elected.

:p

Sucks to be you...
 
ALEXIS_DH

ALEXIS_DH

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N8 said:
Just think how frustrated you will be when Bush is re-elected.

:p

Sucks to be you...
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i wonder how frustrated the families of those 1k+ soldiers and the 5k ny-ers who lost their lives will be "when" bush gets reelected. :confused:

they will probably be more frustrated than changleen or me, watching more stuff like that on TV on the intl new block.
 
Changleen

Changleen

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I won't be frustrated, I moved out of America and now live in a sensible country. You'll be the one working until he's 95 to pay off the defecit, Mountain Biking in replanted forest, breathing poluted air, being lied to about everything and having your emails read by fascists.
 
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N8 v2.0

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ALEXIS_DH said:
i wonder how frustrated the families of those 1k+ soldiers and the 5k ny-ers who lost their lives will be "when" bush gets reelected. :confused:

they will probably be more frustrated than changleen or me, watching more stuff like that on TV on the intl new block.
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I think you'll find that the vast majority of soldiers/marines families of those who died in the GWOT along with the majority of the 9-11 families support Bush.

I think the only frustrated people will be liberal dimocrates and non-American wanna be's...
 
N8 v2.0

N8 v2.0

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Changleen said:
I won't be frustrated, I moved out of America and now live in a sensible country. You'll be the one working until he's 95 to pay off the defecit, Mountain Biking in replanted forest, breathing poluted air, being lied to about everything and having your emails read by fascists.
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yeah, yeah, yeah...

I'm retiring when I'm 50.
 
ALEXIS_DH

ALEXIS_DH

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N8 said:
Just think how frustrated you will be when Bush is re-elected.

:p

Sucks to be you...
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you soooooooooo remind me of the poor people in SA who supported populist anti-capitalists in the 70s because they felt a subtle improvement in ther lifes.

what happened?

well they are now poorer than then, most lost their jobs, PLUS we all have a huge debt we didnt have 40 years ago.

both bush and those dictators are the same in both ends of the political ideologies. they go for the easy formulas to gain popular aproval, mortaging the next decades worth of gpd for the sake of their moment.

there are no free lunches in the world, what you have today someday you will pay if you havent yet.
 
ALEXIS_DH

ALEXIS_DH

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N8 said:
I think you'll find that the vast majority of soldiers/marines families of those who died in the GWOT along with the majority of the 9-11 families support Bush.

I think the only frustrated people will be liberal dimocrates and non-American wanna be's...
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the only ones truly frustrated, or delighted will be US-ers from both ends.

we are all here in this forum arguing for the sake of it, because we like to argue. or do you truly think this is some sort of UN convention were the one loosing will regret or get frustrated????. :D
 
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fluff said:
It's you who has to carry that deficit.
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Ahhh... the :insert scary music:... DEFICIT!

The Falling Deficit
Wall Street Journal | September 9, 2004 | Editorial

A new budget projection from the Congressional Budget Office this week brought the good news that the Fiscal Year 2004 deficit will be 19% lower than the Bush Administration anticipated at the start of the year. Moreover, the number crunchers say that after 10 years the budget will be "close to balance" and the national debt as a share of GDP will be the same as today -- 37%, much lower than the heights of the 1990s.

Of course, anyone who says he really knows what the deficit will be beyond this year or next is trying to pull a fast one. In the early 1990s we were told the deficits would never end, while in the late 1990s we heard that surpluses were forever. The real lesson of those years is that economic growth makes the most difference in the size of the deficit. This year's shortfall -- a record in nominal terms but at 3.6% of GDP hardly remarkable -- is largely due to the falloff in revenues that began during the 2001 recession. Yet this is still dramatically better than the 4.5% predicted in February because revenues have climbed along with growth.

Readers should also keep in mind the distinction between annual deficits and long-term federal liabilities. Some in Congress and the media like to conflate the two in order to justify tax increases. But as Alan Greenspan reiterated yesterday, the real budget crunch will come because entitlements like Social Security and Medicare (which are not subject to annual review) now account for more than 60% of federal spending, and they are set to expand rapidly as baby boomers retire. The Fed Chairman warned that these two programs could account for 14% of GDP by 2030, double their cost today....

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golgiaparatus

golgiaparatus

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Toshi said:
from da bahstan globehow can we change the overwhelmingly negative impression of the u.s.? magic?
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Get our business done and leave that place.

The thing is, we cant leave untill the local terrorism is halted otherwise it will be anarchy and would be a huge terrorist breeding ground. All we have done in Iraq is give ourselves a permanent baby sitting job. This is precisely why going in there was a bad idea. Saddam, though he was a murdering fuhk, had that place under control.
 
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