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Russia Preparing For MAJOR Strike Against Terror

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Putin: Russia Preparing Action Against Terrorists
AP | September 17, 2004

MOSCOW — President Vladimir Putin said Friday the Kremlin was preparing to take preventive action against terrorists, even as a Chechen rebel leader purportedly claimed responsibility for a series of attacks that killed hundreds of people and threatened further violence.

Putin's comments were the highest-level warning yet that Russia could take some sort of pre-emptive action against terror groups in the wake of this month's deadly school hostage-taking in Beslan. Lower-level officials have threatened anti-terror strikes abroad, and it was not immediately clear whether Putin was referring to actions only at home or outside Russia's borders.

"Now in Russia, we are seriously preparing to act preventively against terrorists," Putin said, according to the Interfax news agency. It quoted him as saying that the steps would be "in strict accordance with the law and norms of the constitution, relying on international law."

Recalling the attempts to appease Adolf Hitler in the 1930s, Putin said there could be no "bargaining" with terrorists.

"Every concession leads to a widening of their demands and multiples the losses," Putin was quoted as saying.

"In this war there is no rear or neutral zone, and where terrorists don't meet the necessary resistance, their bases and coordination centers crop up," Putin said.

His speech came the same day that an e-mail attributed to radical Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev was posted on a Web site, claiming responsibility for an August explosion at a bus stop outside Moscow, the near-simultaneous bombings of two planes the same night, a suicide bombing outside a Moscow subway station a week later, and the Beslan hostage-taking, which ended in gunfire and explosions.

More than 430 people were killed in the attacks, with some 338 of those deaths coming during the Sept. 1-3 school siege in Beslan.

The e-mail attributed to Basayev and posted Friday on the Kavkaz-Center Web site said he had sent a letter to Putin proposing "independence (for Chechnya) in exchange for security."

It was impossible to confirm whether the text -- signed with Basayev's nom de guerre, "Abdallakh Shamil, Emir of the Riyadus Salikhin Martyrs' Brigade," -- on the Web site was genuine. But the site is considered a mouthpiece for Basayev, and his previous claims of responsibility have appeared there.

The letter to Putin said that if Russia withdrew its troops and recognized Chechen independence, Chechnya would neither support nor finance groups fighting Russia, and "we can guarantee that all of Russia's Muslims would refrain from armed methods of struggle against the Russian Federation, at least for 10-15 years, on condition that freedom of religion (as is guaranteed in the Russian Federation) be respected."

But Basayev also threatened more attacks, saying Russia had forced such a course on the rebels.

"They are fighting us without any rules, with the direct connivance of the whole world, and we are not bound by any circumstances or by anybody, and will fight by our rules, as is comfortable and beneficial for us," he wrote in the e-mail.

He also put the ultimate blame for the school siege on Putin, accusing Russian forces of storming the school and causing the deaths.

"A terrible tragedy occurred in the city of Beslan; the Kremlin vampire destroyed and wounded 1,000 children and adults, giving the ordering to storm the school for the sake of imperial ambitions and the preservation of his own throne," the e-mail said.

Putin and other officials said repeatedly that in order to avert a bloodbath, they had not planned to storm the school, where the attackers had rigged bombs surrounding the approximately 1,200 hostages. According to Russian officials and witnesses, explosions rocked the school as officials went in to collect bodies, and armed volunteers started shooting, then the special forces opened fire, too.

But the e-mail disputed that.

"We declare that the Russian special services stormed the school, (and that) it was planned from the very beginning," it said.

It alleged that Emergency Situations Ministry workers who entered the school to purportedly collect bodies of hostages who had been killed early in the crisis were really security service officers, and that the explosions rang out only after those workers had yelled "Run out!" to the hostages.

Basayev's e-mail offered new details of the Beslan siege. He said the 33 attackers included 10 Chechen men, two Chechen women, nine Ingush, three ethnic Russians, two Arabs, and five other Russian citizens from various ethnic groups. Russian authorities have said there were 32 attackers, all but one of whom had been killed. One was captured.

The e-mail said Basayev had personally trained the attackers for 10 days in a forest about 12 miles from Beslan. He denied reports that some of the fighters objected when they found out children would be among the hostages.

The e-mail outlined what the Beslan attackers demands had been: If the president decreed an end to fighting, the return of troops to their barracks and a troop withdrawal, the attackers promised they would give the hostages water; if the troops were really being withdrawn, they would have given them food.

"As soon as the troops are withdrawn from the mountains, we will let children up to age 10 go, the rest after the full troop withdrawal," it said of the demands.

If Putin had resigned, the attackers would have freed all the children and left for Chechnya with the remainder of the hostages, the e-mail said.

The e-mail denied Russian charges that he receives money from al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, and said he had received less than $20,000 from abroad this year.

"I am not acquainted with bin Laden," Basayev said. "I don't receive money from him but would not refuse it."

The letter appealed to the world to recognize the righteousness of the Chechen independence fight.

"We regret what happened in Beslan. It's simply that the war, which Putin declared on us five years ago, which has destroyed more than 40,000 Chechen children and crippled more than 5,000 of them, has gone back to where it started from," Basayev wrote.

Casualty figures in Chechnya vary widely, though many estimates say about 80,000 civilians -- 40 percent of them children -- died in the first Chechen war. Countless more have been killed since the conflict exploded again in 1999.

The Federal Security Service's spokesman in Chechnya, Maj.-Gen. Ilya Shabalkin, said authorities had known "long ago" that Basayev was responsible for the attacks, Interfax reported.
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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So the Russian are gonna bomb themselves are they? Seems Mr Putin has been taking lessons from Dubya and already plans on restricting the liberties (such as they are) of Russians even further.
 

Jesus

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valve bouncer said:
So the Russian are gonna bomb themselves are they? Seems Mr Putin has been taking lessons from Dubya and already plans on restricting the liberties (such as they are) of Russians even further.
Still trying to figure out how Dubya has restricted my liberites. :rolleyes:

As for the rebels it's pretty simple. Hunt them down and kill them...all of them.
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Jesus said:
As for the rebels it's pretty simple. Hunt them down and kill them...all of them.
That's worked pretty good so far hasn't it. :rolleyes: You are aware of course that there's been a war going on in Chechnya for 10 years on and off and while no-one could ever condone suicide bombing of civilians or what went on last week in Ossetia, the Chechens do have a lot to be pissed off about.
 

s1ngletrack

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Jesus said:
Still trying to figure out how Dubya has restricted my liberites. :rolleyes:

As for the rebels it's pretty simple. Hunt them down and kill them...all of them.
C'mon Jesus - jump on the bandwagon here - refusal of Japanese women to accept the pill as a viable means of contraceptive, it's Dubya's fault... He's the reason - My DVD player succumbing to the 1/2" of dust that covers its internals last week, again, Dubya.. no matter how far removed, or completely arbitrary, if it's bad, the current (and future... bitches) president and his cronies are to blame. If you wanna be cool, like hollywood, jump on the bandwagon... group-think is good. Beating @ss on those who would destroy you is so passe...
 

N8 v2.0

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s1ngletrack said:
C'mon Jesus - jump on the bandwagon here - refusal of Japanese women to accept the pill as a viable means of contraceptive, it's Dubya's fault... He's the reason - My DVD player succumbing to the 1/2" of dust that covers its internals last week, again, Dubya.. no matter how far removed, or completely arbitrary, if it's bad, the current (and future... bitches) president and his cronies are to blame. If you wanna be cool, like hollywood, jump on the bandwagon... group-think is good. Beating @ss on those who would destroy you is so passe...


I question the timing of this.....
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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s1ngletrack said:
C'mon Jesus - jump on the bandwagon here - refusal of Japanese women to accept the pill as a viable means of contraceptive, it's Dubya's fault... He's the reason - My DVD player succumbing to the 1/2" of dust that covers its internals last week, again, Dubya.. no matter how far removed, or completely arbitrary, if it's bad, the current (and future... bitches) president and his cronies are to blame. If you wanna be cool, like hollywood, jump on the bandwagon... group-think is good. Beating @ss on those who would destroy you is so passe...
Nice frothing mate.....although the part about the Japanese women on the pill is gonna keep me up for a while I think. The other stuff is definitely Dubya's fault though, the f*cker he is.
 

s1ngletrack

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Aug 17, 2004
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N8 said:
I question the timing of this.....
I'm not sure I understand. I just think it's odd that I can't view a thread about the new V10 (or anything else) without somebody seizing the opportunity to slip a bash in.
 

$tinkle

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how can they call any strike now anything less than reaction? You don't get kicked in the nutz, clocked in the jaw, & pimp slapped, then get up & say you're going to launch a "pre-emptive" strike.

vladi's awake now. too bad it took these last few weeks to do it. I'm going to find a way to monitor NUDET for the next few weeks.
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Again, at the risk of banging my head against a brick wall, what are the Russians gonna do to the Chechens that they haven't already done. They haven't exactly played nice there up to now. What do you frothers suggest, total annihilation of the Chechen people? Man I hate rhetorical questions.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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valve bouncer said:
Again, at the risk of banging my head against a brick wall, what are the Russians gonna do to the Chechens that they haven't already done. They haven't exactly played nice there up to now. What do you frothers suggest, total annihilation of the Chechen people? Man I hate rhetorical questions.
oh, oh, i know! i'd turn russia into more of a totalitarian regime by eliminating many elections and having the governors appointed by my own regime instead! related articles on putin's blatant power grab on google news
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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Jesus said:
Still trying to figure out how Dubya has restricted my liberites. :rolleyes:

As for the rebels it's pretty simple. Hunt them down and kill them...all of them.
who are the rebels again? oh yeah, the people who live in the lands where the fighting is (largely) taking place, and who won't give up until the foreigners leave. nuke the whole region? :rolleyes:

as for civil liberties wrt gwb, here ya go: http://www.aclunc.org/911/scorecard.html . some key ones highlighted here:

"White House asks media outlets not to air tapes of Osama Bin Laden. Major networks comply" with the relevant right being Freedom of the press
Patriot Act related stuff: "Wiretap powers expanded, in some cases with reduced judicial review", Privacy, search & seizure protection
"Law enforcement permitted to indefinitely detain non-citizens based on suspicion of terrorism", Immigrants' rights, due process of law
"Broad definition of 'domestic terrorism' allows surveillance of political dissenters", Free speech, privacy, search & seizure protection
"Ashcroft authorizes monitoring ofattorney-client conversations. 10.31.01", Due process, privacy, right to counsel
"Ashcroft orders state and local government not to release names of people detained since 9/11. 4.18.02", Open democracy, immigrants' rights
"Ashcroft's new rules on intelligence-gathering permit:
spying on religious and political institutions without any suspicion of criminal activity
the purchase of secret records on individuals who are not suspected of a crime. 5.30.02", Privacy, free speech, due process

if you object to these on the grounds that you're not a terrorist blah blah then YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. taking away and severely eroding fundamental, constitutional rights such as due process, freedom of the press, free speech, and the right to not be subjected to unreasonable search and seizure are affronts to every american citizen.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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In the Economist this week, they estimated that around 70,000 civilians have died in Chechnya.

But, that's no reason to get upset, is it?