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Russkies say "F-you!" to child nabbing terrorists

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First day of school brings death - How to deal with militant Islam 101, Russian Style

Russian Forces Storm School; 7 Killed
Associated Press | 3 Sep | MIKE ECKEL

BESLAN, Russia - At least seven people were killed and 310 others wounded Friday, reports said, after commandos stormed a school in southern Russia where hundreds had been held hostage for three days by rebels strapped with explosives.


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Troops killed five of the hostage-takers but 13 others escaped, the ITAR-Tass news agency said. Troops backed by tanks were pursuing the militants, some of whom were said to be holed up in a house in the area, ITAR-Tass said.

Russian authorities claimed to have control of the school, and the Interfax news agency reported that all the hostages had been evacuated from the school gymnasium. But gunfire continued to ring out some three hours after the commandos' raid.

The scene around the school was chaotic: people running through the streets, columns of smoke overhead, the cries of children and the wounded carried off on stretchers. An Associated Press reporter saw ambulances speeding by, the windows streaked with blood.

Seven people were killed, ITAR-Tass said, and some 310 hostages — most of them children — were wounded, officials from the regional Health Ministry told the news agency. At least four of the dead were children. Sixty-nine children were admitted to one hospital — five in grave condition, the head of the hospital said. A nurse spreading sheets on stretchers told The Associated Press that Russian officials expected "very many" wounded.

It was not immediately clear what led to the events Friday, the third day of the hostage crisis in Beslan. Early reports suggested the militants had agreed to let Russia retrieve the bodies of 10 to 20 hostages who had been killed. A local legislator, Azamat Kadykov, had told the hostages' relatives that 20 adult men had been executed.

Emergency personnel went to get the bodies, and the militants began setting off bombs and opening fire on people around the school, ITAR-Tass said. Some 30 women and children broke out of the building, some bloodied and screaming, and commandos then launched the assault.

The militants reportedly fired at children who ran from the building, and unconfirmed reports said some of the hostage-takers, possibly including women bearing suicide belts, had fled during the chaos and may have taken hostages with them.

During the raid, the militants were separated into three groups — some with hostages, police told Interfax.

Women escaping the building were seen fainting and others, some covered in blood, were carried away on stretchers.

Interfax said the school's roof had collapsed — possibly from the explosives some militants had strapped to their bodies. The militants reportedly wired parts of the school with bombs and threatened to blow up the building if authorities tried to storm.

There were conflicting reports of the number of hostages being held at the school. Officials had initially said about 350 — but some freed hostages among a small group freed Thursday put the number at about 1,500. On Thursday, the militants had freed about 26 hostages, all women and children.

Russian officials had negotiated on and off with the militants since shortly after the crisis began, and they said the hostage-takers had repeatedly refused offers of food and water.

"They are very cruel people, we are facing a ruthless enemy," said Leonid Roshal, a pediatrician involved in the negotiations. "I talked with them many times on my cell phone, but every time I ask to give food, water and medicine to the hostages they refuse my request."

President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) had said that everything possible would be done to end the "horrible" crisis and save the lives of the children.

Two major hostage-taking raids by Chechen rebels outside the war-torn region in the past decade prompted forceful Russian rescue operations that led to many deaths. The most recent, the seizure of a Moscow theater in 2002, ended after a knockout gas was pumped into the building, debilitating the captors but causing almost all of the 129 hostage deaths.
 

MikeD

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Wow, looks like there were actually over 1,000 kids inside. What a mess. Russia took the Kaiser Szcoze stance-and I'd say they actually did pretty well, all things considering. Showed these men of will what will really was.

The problem, though, is the 'wounded' kids have serious, serious injuries, like lots of missing limbs, and they'll serve as living reminders for the rest of their lives to the local Russians of the price they're paying for their government's stance on Chechnya...might end up being damned good for the Chechens in the long run. Then again, they might just galvanize the population against the Chechens even further. Who knows?

MD
 

cocksor

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they def. dont negotiate with terrorists. Theyve even gone as far as to take relatives of the terrorists as hostages.
 

N8 v2.0

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Putin should follow Changleen's "How to Negotiate with Islamists" advice and grant the Chechen's wish with a three part solution that would put an end the problems in Chechnya.

1. Grant Chechnya independence (Give them what they want)

2. Declare war on Chechnya for violent crimes and aggression against Russia

3. Make all of Chechnya glow in the dark.

Everybody gets what they want... The Chechen problem is over for Russia... The Chechnyans get independence... The Chechnyans get to die for their country in a bomb blast...

Very seldom do such perfect solutions present themselves.
 

N8 v2.0

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...it's no surprise but...

Ten of Ossetia hostage-takers come from Arab states - FSB
Interfax | Sep 3 2004

BESLAN. Sept 3 (Interfax) - Ten of the 20 hostage-takers who set off a major crisis in North Ossetia on Wednesday and were killed by Russian troops on Friday came from Arab countries, a Federal Security Service (FSB) official said.

Valery Andreyev, who heads the North Ossetian branch of the FSB, also said more than 400 hostages had been released over the past two hours.

"Unfortunately, there are fatalities among the hostages. So far, 60 of them have been identified," he said.

He said some of the militants were still holding some people hostage inside the school and that Russian special forces were fighting them.

"There are fatalities among members of the special forces," Andreyev said.


Perhaps this is a new tatic and a practice run for a similar attack which will take place in the US???
 

dante

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interesting. looks like the russians didn't have a choice... from the early reports it looks like the terrorists started shooting/bombing first. *then* the commandoes launched their raid... i'm guessing that the number of killed will probably go WAY up. :(

In other news, Russia has launched a full-scale assault on Indonesia. Rebuffed by the UN, Russia has decided to act unilaterally against what it calls "the terrorist training ground who might also have WMD." When presented the case that there was no connection between Indonesia and Chechyn rebels, and no evidence of WMD, Putin declared "I have made Russia safer" while declining to offer specifics. "We cannot allow *them* to attack us, we have to defend ourselves by attacking them first."

:thumb:
 

ohio

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MikeD said:
Russia took the Kaiser Szcoze stance-and I'd say they actually did pretty well, all things considering. Showed these men of will what will really was.
Actually, from what I read the raid was an unplanned response to the chaos that ensued when an explosion occured during the temporary cease-fire agreed upon so the Russians could collect the few bodies around the school.

Explosion occurs, kids start running out of the school, rebels start gunning down the children and officials who were collecting the "old" bodies, army returns fire and storms the building.

Still it sounds like fewer dead than was expected considering the rebel/terrorist use of explosives.

It will be interesting to see what the Russians do if they take any of the currently-escaped terrorists alive. Though if I were a soldier, I don't think taking them alive would be an option right now.
 

MikeD

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Wow, didn't catch any of that from the morning news. Thanks for the update.
 

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BESLAN, Russia (Reuters) - More than 200 people -- dozens of them children -- have been killed and hundreds wounded in a bloody schoolyard battle that Russian troops blamed on Chechen hostage-takers.
 

RhinofromWA

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Changleen said:
BESLAN, Russia (Reuters) - More than 200 people -- dozens of them children -- have been killed and hundreds wounded in a bloody schoolyard battle that Russian troops blamed on Chechen hostage-takers.
I fear it will take a while before any solid number come up....it is still going to be big
 

Changleen

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Yeah - at the moment we've got headlines with numbers varying from 'at least 100' to 150 to 'more than 200' '100's killed' '579 Wounded' - whatever it turns out to be it's a bloodbath.

Did it turn you on, N8?