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saint vs. diabolus... the battle begins now!

iridebikes

iridebikes

Monkey
Jan 31, 2004
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seattle
ok, I'm bulding up a dh race rig/ freeride hucker bike. its going to be a canfield brothers formula 1 with a shiver. I'm going to be running x-7 rear der and shifter, as well as hadly hubs front and rear, and mavic 823 tubless rims to keep rotational wieght down(I'm big on keeping that down). Anyways, i'm kinda curiouse on cranks, I'm running a set of north shores, and love them, problem is they're going on my dirt jumper and I need a set of cranks for the formula 1... saint or race face? which one is stronger? stiffer? lighter? more reliable? And also, bars? easton dh carbon bars pretty good? I know that if you fall, there's a possibility of them being useless after that. i've had pretty good luck with my hussefelts, and also have had good luck with azonic double walled. any suggestions? Let me know what you think!
 
Spunger

Spunger

Git yer dumb questions here
Feb 19, 2003
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I'd say saint but depending on how wide of a BB you need the raceface might be what you will need. I am pretty sure the saint only go to 118? or something close to that. There's another post floating around with the same kind of question.

Bar wise I dunno, but alot are going to agree for a "huck" bike carbon fiber bars is out of it. Some nice easton or answer pro tapers would work well. I'd stay away from carbon if you're hucking anything. The Titec ringleader are super thick throughout the entire bar. They'd be pretty burley for a "huck" bike.

Check out what BB width you need. That'll help you decide on cranks a little easier as one goes longer, one can only go so far :)
 
P

Pedalist

Monkey
Sep 20, 2003
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Clayton, NC
Saint has a pimp warranty. RaceFace takes good care of their customers. One thing I do know is that Race Face from time to time has had quality control issues with their cranks.
 
Incubus

Incubus

Monkey
Oct 17, 2001
562
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Boston, MA
Do some research and you'll find that RF x-type cranks have an issue of constantly coming loose. Something about overtighening.

Another monkey in another thread mentioned one canadian shop that has warranteed every single pair of x-type cranks they've sold. He mentioned that RF is good about getting replacements out.

I had a pair of Saints. They're heavy and stiff, and like Rik said, the pinch bolts are where it's at.
 
dante

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
8,807
9
looking for classic NE singletrack
talk to Canfield about what you can/should run as far as bb sizing goes. could affect what you choose. :thumb:

edit: as for handlebars, look into the new 31.8mm "standard". Not sure if you can get Easton carbon bars in that, but a nice EA70 Alu 31.8 bar is what I'm running now and I :heart: 'em.
 
Curb Hucker

Curb Hucker

I am an idiot
Feb 4, 2004
3,661
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Sleeping in my Kenworth
I think saints are out of the question. The F1 needs a 73x123 BB, if you dont have a 123mm spindle your chainline will be wacked. If they have updated diablous cranks to work with a 123mm spindle then get them. If not Chris will hook you up with an FSA ISIS BB for a good price, and you get to chose from ISIS cranks (of which i recommend Middleburn). Also unless you already have the shiver, look into a White Brothers fork, a WB and an F1 is an unbeatable match-up (thats what I run) check out SIC 31.8 LL bars, theyre super stiff and really comfortable.

Don
 
Sir_Crackien

Sir_Crackien

Turbo Monkey
Feb 7, 2004
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alex. va. usa.
if the F1 needs a 123mm bb then no two peice crank system will work. but if you can use a 113-118mm bb then i would say get the SAINT cranks. i like the pinch bolt system and the fact that teh spindle is connected to the drive side. the drive side sees more stress. also the interface on the oposite side is larger than the RF cranks
 
Curb Hucker

Curb Hucker

I am an idiot
Feb 4, 2004
3,661
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Sleeping in my Kenworth
Sir_Crackien said:
but if you can use a 113-118mm bb
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but you cant

Brian HCM#1 said:
Hey Don, has the F1 been off any curbs yet, or still waiting for some parts?
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yes it has :D, im still waiting on a few parts, but its done for the most part. We went to that Ray's Indoor MTB park this weekend, I tried to ride the DH bike there and gave up, that place is for hardtails.
 
me89

me89

Monkey
May 25, 2004
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asheville
okay i cant really say anything about the cranks since i havent ridin either pairs. but i do on a pair of rf evolve dh and i love them. but its not with the xtype bb.

but bars i love my diablous bars and stem. they are incredibly stiff and have been threw many hard hits. and deffinatly stay away from carbon on any bike unless your a xc rider who loves to race and replace expensive parts.
 
mobius

mobius

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
2,158
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Around DC
My buddy (castle on here) had the diabolous on his VPFree and had lots of trouble setting them up so he sold em from what i know. From what i understand the saint is a better design with the pinchbolt.
 
CreeP

CreeP

Monkey
Mar 8, 2002
695
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montreal bitch
Sir_Crackien said:
if the F1 needs a 123mm bb then no two peice crank system will work. but if you can use a 113-118mm bb then i would say get the SAINT cranks. i like the pinch bolt system and the fact that teh spindle is connected to the drive side. the drive side sees more stress. also the interface on the oposite side is larger than the RF cranks
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If i've been reading correctly, what it needs is a 123mm spindle, and uses a 73mm bb shell. Diabolus is available for 100mm bb shells, so i would imagine in that length with proper spacers it would be the choice.

The drive side sees more stress? If that really were the case then there is no explanation for why i've never lost a driveside crank arm, but have been consistent in obliterating the interface on the non drive side.Pinch bolts are sketchy, they create a stress riser in the piece, and the splines on the shimano system despite being very well formed are SOOOOO small. That and the fact that i keep dropping my left crank made me go with diabolus, plus i was able to get em cheaper.

the diabolus is somewhat heavier, the splines on the non drive side are wider than the axle, but that also means that both arms are replaceable, separately from the axle because neither is press-fit. Diabolus has a bunch of chainline adjustment, it's not a profile as far as that's concerned but it's better than most any other mtb style crankset.

Which is a better crankset? I don't know, neither are perfect. Also neither are perfectly consistently made/mounted. If it fits well the shimano system is closer to fool-proof.
 
CreeP

CreeP

Monkey
Mar 8, 2002
695
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montreal bitch
Mobius- Castle sold the cranks because they didn't fit the bike. It has nothing to do with the design AFAIK. Some cranks just won't work on some bikes, that's just the way it is.
 
mobius

mobius

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
2,158
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Around DC
CreeP said:
Mobius- Castle sold the cranks because they didn't fit the bike. It has nothing to do with the design AFAIK. Some cranks just won't work on some bikes, that's just the way it is.
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Yeah as i stated he had trouble setting them up on it. IE: it didn't fit
 
punkassean

punkassean

Turbo Monkey
Feb 3, 2002
4,561
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SC, CA
Sounds like Middleburn is the way to go on an F1 with the wide spindle requirement. They may not be the sexiest cranks but there sure is something to be said for stuff that really works :thumb:

I have never heard one complaint about those cranks and tons of praises FWIW!

From my experiences, Saint are the bomb. I had them on my DH bike and they were easy to set up and required zero maintenance but that's mute since you can't run them anyway :(
 
dexter

dexter

Turbo Monkey
Sep 23, 2001
3,053
99
Boise, Idaho
PEEP xt's light strong and stiff and cheap too, get the arms without rings from the shop then get race face atlas (gold) cups and its wayyy light. thats if they fit
 
J

J5ive

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Agreed. The saint pinch bolt system allows a level of compensation for a worn interface. Slight wear or manufacturer defect on any other system means your cank will not interface right and as such will only get worse when ridden, usually to the point where the manufacturer can now clame abuse.

I have found the saints to be nothing short of perfect.
 
Incubus

Incubus

Monkey
Oct 17, 2001
562
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Boston, MA
J5ive said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=56193&item=7127834663

and the right spacers? 5mm extra each side? would we have enough bb thread? if not diablous bb?
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BTW, I bought from that guy and he's legit. However, he sells OE parts. That said, there is a good chance that you won't get any spacers if you're planning on buying from him.

I bought Saint calipers and I only got one set of pads whereas if I bought them non-OE, I would've recieved 2 sets per caliper.
 
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