[captainspauldin]

my Shreddas should be arriving today

will drop them off at Golden Bike Shop for them to pop on +/- new frame time

Using them on the eeb?

sidenote, My magic mary radials are coming from Germany. Oddly was much cheaper even with shipping from r2 bikes.

 

[Toshi]

Using them on the eeb?

sidenote, My magic mary radials are coming from Germany. Oddly was much cheaper even with shipping from r2 bikes.

ya, on the Shuttle

 

[bullcrew]

my Shreddas should be arriving today

will drop them off at Golden Bike Shop for them to pop on +/- new frame time

Let me know what you think of that rear....
I've got 2 rears coming for the big bike...going to run it on both ends. Just haven't seen one in person or know anyone who has ...

Excited to see em , and can't wait for mine...

 

[6thElement]

Let me know what you think of that rear....
I've got 2 rears coming for the big bike...going to run it on both ends. Just haven't seen one in person or know anyone who has ...

Excited to see em , and can't wait for mine...

Chances of Toshi MTB riding before April...Slim.

 

[Lelandjt]

OEM Max Terra EXO Assegai and DHR2 (part of the reason I was willing to try new tires)

That's their least damped rubber & casing. Lightest and decent wear though. Those tread patterns are pretty slow rolling so not great to compare unless the Schwalbes are also a very aggressive tread. Is there a Schwalbe radial casing that compares in weight, durability, and rolling resistance to the EXO, or is their thinnest casing more like an EXO+?

 

[bullcrew]

That's their least damped rubber & casing. Lightest and decent wear though. Those tread patterns are pretty slow rolling so not great to compare unless the Schwalbes are also a very aggressive tread. Is there a Schwalbe radial casing that compares in weight, durability, and rolling resistance to the EXO, or is their thinnest casing more like an EXO+?

More like an exo+
In radial atleast...

Trail pro is more than a exo+ and gravity is more than a DD..
It's like they one upped them on durability , like an in-between with durability being focus...

However man, lugs roll (griped like glue) at bike park lol..went to Bradley and the nomad was like farting under the sheets and keep expecting wife not to get pissed...

Lugs, low psi, wrong bike so it wasn't a tire issue it was a user issue...but man those radials stick to that slew line..was impressed...lugs would roll and not let go.

 

[Toshi]

Chances of Toshi MTB riding before April...Slim.

Dakota Ridge might happen over the winter if we get a warm week. and if my bike is back in my hands with new frame-bits and all

 

[bullcrew]

Dakota Ridge might happen over the winter if we get a warm week. and if my bike is back in my hands with new frame-bits and all

Lol getting older sucks, seems the desire to ride every moment isn't as important and I somehow have more restraint from a good time...WTF...

And then dont get me started on having patients, when the hell did that happen. I'm not a Dr. So patients I don't need ....

@Toshi you do you brother and life is happening for sure...I do have an update on tires and jump park though ..all good...I'm waiting to get out the the park again but more psi in shock fork and 30psi in the tires..need to try some different stuff to really get a handle on flat hard pack.(still not right bike but fun nine the less) good for review though of control and sticking to ground ..

Right now it's positive as hell I just don't think there's enough trial and error on my behalf. They do exactly what they claim I want to push em for unintended use and see

 

[Andeh]

I'm getting tempted to get a set of Shredda Rears to run F/R on the eeb this winter. Normal side knobs instead of pointed the wrong way, spacing and knob height look decent for mixed conditions.

 

[bullcrew]

I'm getting tempted to get a set of Shredda Rears to run F/R on the eeb this winter. Normal side knobs instead of pointed the wrong way, spacing and knob height look decent for mixed conditions.

I ordered mine same set up already...front is way too big for here...these are probably too big as well but I'll run em and see.

I keep hearing lugs the wrong way for sides but in all the years I've ridden them I have yet to have an issue...they dig and rip...off chamber where the sides should slide , they don't especially the tacky chan...that's a saw blade man it digs and holds line...

 

[Andeh]

I found the Shredda weights on the Schwalbe website and decided to go the MM front & rear route instead. Shredda gives Michelin a run for their money, 1,500g for the 29!

I know older versions of MM work well on my trails as long as the ground is soft. Once it turns to dust over hard is when I don't like them, but that's fine, I'll go back to my Contis for that. Looking forward to seeing how these suckers handle wet roots.

 

[bullcrew]

I found the Shredda weights on the Schwalbe website and decided to go the MM front & rear route instead. Shredda gives Michelin a run for their money, 1,500g for the 29!

I know older versions of MM work well on my trails as long as the ground is soft. Once it turns to dust over hard is when I don't like them, but that's fine, I'll go back to my Contis for that. Looking forward to seeing how these suckers handle wet roots.

Where did you find radial Mary's?
I know schwalbe is out direct or were this morning...haven't checked bti yet.

I need a 29" gravity pro

 

[Andeh]

Where did you find radial Mary's?
I know schwalbe is out direct or were this morning...haven't checked bti yet.

I need a 29" gravity pro

Fanatik has 29 MM Radial in both Grav Pro Ultra Soft and Trail Pro Ultra Soft in stock, and 27.5 MM Radial Grav Pro Soft. From Schwalbe's website, they currently only make the 27.5 MM Radial in Grav Pro Soft.

 

[bullcrew]

Looks like
27.5x2.5 soft gravity pro
29x2.5 ultra soft trail ro

 

[Andeh]

shows in stock to me

 

[bullcrew]

Yeah went and looked .(Been a long day with fox orders and parts)

I need a 29x2.5 gravity pro soft it's not listed

 

[Andeh]

My MM Trail Pro 29x2.5 arrived yesterday, still waiting on the Grav Pro 27.5x2.5 for the rear. Trail seems to be similar stiffness by the bead as a Conti Enduro casing. It went on Reserve 30 HD rims without levers, aired up easily. Right off the bat I went up 4 psi over what I was running with Conti Enduro (18 psi), and that seems like a good ballpark to start. Rear should arrive today, so hopefully I can get a ride on them soon.

I did a little side by side test between the 2 bikes where I turn the bars 90 degrees, lock the front brake, and push hard and steady on the bars to see how much the tire squirms on my concrete garage floor. At 22 psi, it still seemed to deforming / had a larger contact patch than a Conti Argotal DH at 18 psi.

Knob width on my 2.5 MM was 24.4". 2.4 Argotal measured 2.4" at the knobs.

 

[bullcrew]

Add a psi or 2...I ran a rockpile trail the other day and have a radial Mary up front and a non on rear..I could feel the back end chucking around lol even low pressure . It's a gravity casing as well just not a radial..(ADHD is making it hard to have it on there now, it's bugging me).
Nick nestroff been digging a lot of these chutes and trails over last year or 2..steep, loose, tech, big rocks with lots of little drops...he's obviously way faster lol...

Almost ordered a 29" chan for that rim I'm testing since it's the only 29" rear I run, couldn't do it, it wasn't radial.....opted radial Mary gravity pro...

Was chatting with schwalbe this morning and don't be afraid to take them up 4-6psi ...they will squirm a slight bit more due to them absorbing energy and spreading it out...when hauling ass on rocks you don't notice that what you notice is your ability to hold line and stick to the sides of rocks lol...and or exit off the side of a rock and swap lines..

I ordered a few more tires today and waiting on 27.5 gravity radial Mary to be back in stock...going to grab 4 or 5 for my back up tires.. for when I don't run Albert rear...(Which is a bad ass all arounder)
.
The Shredda rears will be here this week so next week I'll slap a set on front and rear and go see about lug roll..I'm excited to give these a run....

In rocks and nasty chutes I literally didn't realize how much was being left on the table with non radials. After the run Sunday...I realized that it raises the ceiling for speed and user error...

I don't ride xc and if I did there's pros and cons of these for that discipline.....but Enduro and DH...they work for my riding style ..

 

[bullcrew]

@Andeh I am curious to hear your pros and cons on them....for me they are a better fit than other stuff I have ran and I'm making sure to try a couple different threads to make sure I get a handle on what's best Enduro vs DH, front / rear.

For others they may just fit with a different tire company tread better...but that's good because its honest and fits them better...

I do like maxxis even with small issues, that happens (so what)...dhf I like and assegai saved my ass a couple years ago...thought it was going to blow a corner off a step down I came in way hot...SOB gripped and ripped ..so I am not a total fanboy, there are a lot of tires I think kick ass...the radials just took what tire I prefer and made it even better..

 

[HardtailHack]

Once it turns to dust over hard is when I don't like them, but that's fine, I'll go back to my Contis for that. Looking forward to seeing how these suckers handle wet roots.

Which Conti?
I hate my Kryptotal for loose over hard, tap the brake and it just just steps out. I'm not on the Schwalbe hype train yet, I have some Pirellis to get through, and I really like them.

Edit- It seems my Pirelli scorpion is about to start shedding some side lugs, it's pretty odd as I don't really use them.

 

[bullcrew]

Do Shredda rear on front and back of v10...I don't mind the little extra on DH bike but not on anything I need to pedal...or maybe on an ebike that would be decent...

 

[Toshi]

those are some impressive forearms, bullcrew. I am guessing you lift

bro

 

[bullcrew]

those are some impressive forearms, bullcrew. I am guessing you lift

bro

Only shovel loads of food to my pie hole .....it's a heavy shovel.

I'll be in Chicago competing HYROX pro this Saturday...did my final slow paced run this morning 8 miles, just lifted heavy..have to keep speed down to preserve knees and ankles for it...I'll catch one short 4 mile run in Chicago on Friday and get a lift in, then rest...yeah I know it has ZERO to do with radials just pumped it's finally here....

Slow and constant..

 

[Andeh]

First ride with just the front on yesterday, front wheel greased off a skinny I've ridden hundreds of times wet and dry, went down hard on my right shoulder. Partial AC separation & scap fracture. So no riding for a while for me.

They felt ok leading up to that. Pretty grippy and damp but slow. Wasn't loving the higher pressure. I'm guessing that's what got me on the log, higher pressure and rounder profile just slid right off. Bike went left, I went right. We'd had rain the day before but it soaked into the ground really well. I guess the wood was slicker?

Loose over hard I really like Kryptotal Front aired down low. Casing is stiff so I can run really low when not smashing rocks. On flat loose over hard turns it'll skip a smidge then hook right back up again, extremely consistently. I'm pretty cautious riding but I feel more confident riding it in those conditions than any other tire.

 

[Electric_City]

I never used Schwalbe before

Speedgrip vs soft questions.

I'm looking for grip. I've used Specialized T7 and T9 with Gription (or whatever they call it) and love the traction but the new ride can't run anything wider than a 2.5. So no more Specialized. I'm looking for riders experience with the Speedgrip and the Soft compounds. Do the soft last more than 5 rides? Do the Speedgrips offer good or GREAT traction on roots? Looking for your experiences.

What's "trail pro" vs "gravity pro" vs "super trail"? Sidewall strength?

Ps. Building up a Down Country ride

 

[bullcrew]

@Andeh sorry about the shoulder and you could be right about more pressure and the skinny... Schwalbes are slighlty more rounded compared to conti or maxxis mowhawk profile...

I don't ride skinnies , I cant ride a skinny to save my life...
But being born and raised in Woodinville, WA and riding MX and bikes that slippery roots, clay mud and coated tires on rocks are as nasty as it gets...I'd beg to say worse than ice... definitely a lot more scary lol.

I did slam deck on a wooden drop , came in hot leaned and tire pushed out you could see little dark stripes sliding away and off wood ..that was a dhf and was definitely dust over hard...plus I rolled lugs...the black marks were fat and overlapped..
Not the same as yours, I assume your were going straight.

I'd be curious to see how the tire deforms at different pressure and contact patch..

Maybe I'll do what we do on trucks for alignment and chalk tires roll forward at a certain psi then repeat on non radial ..I'd be curious to see

 

[bullcrew]

What's "trail pro" vs "gravity pro" vs "super trail"? Sidewall strength?

Ps. Building up a Down Country ride

Super trail and trail pro are similar and a cross between exo+/DD in maxxis as an example

To gravity pro would come in slightly thicker than a DD...

I have all of these in shed and rode all of em over last 2 years...

Congrats on bike, always fun building a new ride..

Enduro- gravity rear trail front
DH- gravity front and rear, I will run trail up front on certain trails

 

[Electric_City]

Super trail and trail pro are similar and a cross between exo+/DD in maxxis as an example

To gravity pro would come in slightly thicker than a DD...

I have all of these in shed and rode all of em over last 2 years...

Congrats on bike, always fun building a new ride..

Enduro- gravity rear trail front
DH- gravity front and rear, I will run trail up front on certain trails

What's your recommendation for a bike w/135r &150f. I'm looking for the traction on the climbs for the rear, but grip on turns in the front. I'm looking at the radials fwiw. The back I need a 2.5. For the front... I've used 2.6's for about 8 years now and would probably stick with 2.6 if possible. If not, will .1" matter? Think more like All mountain

 

[bullcrew]

What's your recommendation for a bike w/135r &150f. I'm looking for the traction on the climbs for the rear, but grip on turns in the front. I'm looking at the radials fwiw. The back I need a 2.5. For the front... I've used 2.6's for about 8 years now and would probably stick with 2.6 if possible. If not, will .1" matter? Think more like All mountain

Where are you located...rocks, trees, loan, hard pack,

For an all arounder the Albert's are similar to an assegai and others..good traction, braking, low rolling resistance but hook up..
The Albert front and rear is supposed to be a good combo, I just like a little more bite on front tire...

I haven't ran it as a front, I have a buddy who will be and he's fast as hell and just finished his trail. 10k vertical (not to be named, but gps and legit) and rocky dusty nasty all the way down...he's dead set on that combo for his Hightower.

Look up trailtap on Instagram, Mark is a solid rider...he rides all over the country too .

I run Albert rear and Mary front ..but I think Albert is the only one that comes in 2.6 as well as 2.5.
Socal dirt it's on the nomad and slash...my Hightower lt I ran Mary front and rear only cause I've used that combo for years...

I'd opt Albert rear and for front Albert or Mary..I have an alert for a 29" Albert when it's available at schwalbe to try ..the nomad will be that combo so I can get a handle. I've ran assegais and loved em so I can't see it not kicking @$$..

 

[toodles]

Loose over hard I really like Kryptotal Front aired down low. Casing is stiff so I can run really low when not smashing rocks. On flat loose over hard turns it'll skip a smidge then hook right back up again, extremely consistently. I'm pretty cautious riding but I feel more confident riding it in those conditions than any other tire.

Sucks about the shoulder dude. Hope it goes back together without surgery.

Have you tried an Argotal at all? I've been impressed with the one I'm running now on my trail bike, keen to try one on the Enduro bike in the future.

 

[Andeh]

Sucks about the shoulder dude. Hope it goes back together without surgery.

Have you tried an Argotal at all? I've been impressed with the one I'm running now on my trail bike, keen to try one on the Enduro bike in the future.

I love the Argotal situationally. It's great in consistently loose dirt (southern Oregon, parts of California). It's great where I live in the winter when the ground is soft. It is ok on hardpack, not super squirmy like an old Shorty, but has a bit of vagueness on dust over hard. Its ok in gravely stuff but for some reason I can't place my finger on, I feel like the KrF is a bit more stable there. So basically I put one on up front from October through March-ish, Kryptotal Front otherwise.

 

[bullcrew]

Shredda rears came in..going to side by side then with magic Mary and run them front and rear

 

[Toshi]

ring ring ring

 

[Jm_]

First ride with just the front on yesterday, front wheel greased off a skinny I've ridden hundreds of times wet and dry, went down hard on my right shoulder. Partial AC separation & scap fracture. So no riding for a while for me.

They felt ok leading up to that. Pretty grippy and damp but slow. Wasn't loving the higher pressure. I'm guessing that's what got me on the log, higher pressure and rounder profile just slid right off. Bike went left, I went right. We'd had rain the day before but it soaked into the ground really well. I guess the wood was slicker?

Loose over hard I really like Kryptotal Front aired down low. Casing is stiff so I can run really low when not smashing rocks. On flat loose over hard turns it'll skip a smidge then hook right back up again, extremely consistently. I'm pretty cautious riding but I feel more confident riding it in those conditions than any other tire.

Well fuck, that sounds horrible. I'm just finally getting my passive range back close to normal after fixing a labrum tear and bicep tendon tear. Active will take a bit longer, but it's well on it's way.

 

[Andeh]

Shredda Rear tread looks good. I wonder why they're so much heavier than the MM in same casing, doesn't look like the knobs are that much bigger or tighter.

 

[bullcrew]

Shredda Rear tread looks good. I wonder why they're so much heavier than the MM in same casing, doesn't look like the knobs are that much bigger or tighter.

Don't know, but they are a fair bit....i have the same in magic Mary in box next to it.
Ialal weigh them and check em out to see where it's at..as well as a lug profile shot side by side...

 

[captainspauldin]

Maybe their heavier because they're supposedly e-bike specific?

 

[bullcrew]

Sidewalls are different and slightly thicker
Knobs are solid to sidewall no cutouts like Mary so extra rubber on every lug as well.
Mary 1347
Shredda 1481

 

[bullcrew]

NON radial magic Mary gravity soft 29x2.5 maybe 20g or mucoff sealant..

 

[bullcrew]

Figured I'd update here as well...went full 29 on V10 for testing purposes in some wheels..

Slapped a magic Mary gravity pro on rear and trail pro up front..no inserts
Front 26psi
Rear 30psi

These tires kill it in hard rocks and lane changes full speed...silent thuds and absorb the shit out of so much chatter and chaos in rocks...