I rode mine again yesterday for first ride since I banged my shoulder, and did not like them. I tried a bit lower pressure to get away from the undamped balloon feeling I was getting the first ride (down 2psi from what I was running, but still +2psi over what I run with Conti). I still was getting the balloon bounce now and then, but also was getting really vague squirming on off-camber or flat surfaces. I couldn't tell whether it was from the casing or the side knobs, but considering I was riding at like 60% and extremely cautiously as to not re-injure my shoulder, there's no way I'd want that feeling riding at 90%. I took them off when I got home. I basically just came to the conclusion that they're not for me - I'm too used to stiff supportive casings and side knobs at this point. They're not bad tires/casings, just not for me.
Schwalbe radial tire thread
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Ok in all fairness I didn't have flip flops on so I was prepared for mild weather..
No I agree that different tires for different riders hands down..
The gravity casings were spot on for me and 30/26 psi was badass...I did get some roll of the new rim but it's supposed to do that and comply.. it was designed that way..
Im headed to crestline Saturday that's high elevation steep as hell and chutes, rocks, g-outs etc ..I'll pay attention to them there really well, I know that run and can get some speed and the main g-out is where I rip tires off rims...
Then we are back at luiseno on Monday where we are running hot laps again.. I'll pay attention to what you're saying ...
What I noticed is 2 things . 1 I FU(K!NG LOVE OHLINS at speed ..crushes stuff .
2: the radials grabbed and were predictable...I did notice it was planted on corners and berms but didn't give a strong push back versus softening the corner and exiting mellow..they literally stick to the line and no issues in rocks .
I'll get a good shot of running down granite falls...it's a big ass rock wall with inverted spots and requires a hot exit to right...of I'm going to roll it, it will be there... .
I didn't notice it when we dropped in on the wall Monday but I'll pay attention to it this next time down..
To be fair, I was running the Trail casing up front because I thought based on its weight it should be pretty sturdy. It's got a stiff bead but that's about it. The rest of the carcass is very thin. I was running front at 20 psi & rear at 24 (again riding very timidly as I was 4 weeks off an AC separation). Normally I run Conti DH at 18/22 and Conti Enduro at 19/23. In terms of casing, I probably would need to stick with Gravity in the front for Schwalbe, but don't think that'd address the knob squirm. Gravity casing & riding them in loamy conditions would be a whole different story, but for dust on crust it was really unsettling.
I don't blame you for being gun shy...been there as anyone of us who has run hard. Totally understand.
My literal personal experience on gravity Mary front and rear at luiseno was awesome..
It hooked up in and out of tight corners it handles lane changes using rocks to push off and swap lines in corners and rocks...flat cornering was more planted..
I did notice that because the compound is more compliant it feels like it's floating a smidge but it's absorbing terrain not standing on it firm ..I did adjust first run to this and run 2 let it fly, pushed to see grip and angle.
I will pay attention to balloon feel ill take rear to 32 or 34 Monday and see. I did snack rim on top and sides but not due to tire issues it was rock strikes and spokes took a hit too...
I'll note what you said and pay attention to it and see...I may just not pay attention to that being I've been on soft MX tires for years so I'm used to tires damping stuff and MX lug roll..we drift the big bikes alot sand dunes and ride em sideways down straightaways, desert and ocotillo..so I may just be more ignorant to that...
I am curious to see how it handle the G-out up north...I have messed some tires and rims up on that...that one I can buzz almost any rear triangle ..
Appreciate your feedback and input and I will definitely pay attention to it...all tires have pros and cons and would be good to get a good list of both....and I think your list gives good insight to pay attention to and mess with pressure and casings...
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I was going to have the Shreddas mounted without having ridden my new bike on its factory Minions.
but now after reading Andeh's experience I'm going to run the Minions until I wear them out (which won't be long for the rear one given prior experiences!) and then switch to Shreddas (+ restoring Cushcore--ain't got no time for remounting that myself, having done that once and decided never again) at that point once I have some more baseline feel for it under my belt, as it were.
but now after reading Andeh's experience I'm going to run the Minions until I wear them out (which won't be long for the rear one given prior experiences!) and then switch to Shreddas (+ restoring Cushcore--ain't got no time for remounting that myself, having done that once and decided never again) at that point once I have some more baseline feel for it under my belt, as it were.
Good plan ..as much as tires are id burn through them first .
I think he was running the Mary's...which those I have first hand on and they rip...be on em tomorrow night for a night ride at luiseno bike park.
The Shredda is think would be more stout they made that shoulder lug extra wide.
I told a customer I wouldnt do his cushcore, DH casing swap . He asked why, I just replied I'd rather throw salt in my eyes and punch my own nuts...
He let me cut it off tire and core . That was SATISFYING....and I didn't have to throw salt in my game and take hit to the boys..win!win!
I was thinking after his review that maybe I'd like the Schwalbe's as I'm not a huge fan of the slightly dead Conti feel.
Last week I managed to mount a new tire and used CushCore without tools, first I aired it up with no CC then popped one bead and slipped the CC in, was quite easy compared to my previous battles.
Maybe the Hutchi Griffus tire was a looser fit compared to the Pirellis, Maxxis, Contis I have fit before......?
I finally crossed over to the full dark side and just picked up Evil Epocalypse ebike. I currently have 3 rides on the stock DHF exo, but never been a huge fan. So just grabbed some Schwalbe Alberts gravity pros, ultra soft radials. Never ridden Schwalbe's before, but seems like they are getting so positive reviews, so why not. If they don't work they'll just end up in the pile of "what could/should have been" tires.
@Brian HCM#1 I love mine...I have Albert's and Mary's and they are killing it...I haven't noticed any bad behavior, with higher pressure.
Rear 32 front 28 I went up to see if I felt anything that would hinder the way I've been riding or terrain..I haven't noticed anything with higher pressure then tires ability to deflect and absorb negates alot of that
Rocks and dry dusty jagged rock gardens ✓
Drops, smaller gaps and jumps ✓
Technical climb ✓
Loose over hard kitty litter ✓
So far durability has been solid , zero lug issues , no gashes (some attempts) rim took a beating spokes took a beating but sidewalls have been durable.
HOWEVER!!!!! Hard pack at bike park (28/26 haven't tried 32/28 psi)
I think this is what he didn't like!!..
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I did notice if I banked them off camber and rolled em hard up and over top off camber they would drift a bit .that said my old tires would hold them break free hard..no mellow transition..so I do notice that is different for sure. It's not a concrete style dh park tire. It will grip was extremely well (better then typical tire) and it will have a slow roll out to drift instead of of a on off break away ..
Would NOT be my choice for a DJ park with concrete style ground...or a concrete pool .
Some may or may not like that feeling ..that's where I keep saying different styles for different folks. For me and a DGAF line choice just need a tire that's gonna hook up these work for me
Rear 32 front 28 I went up to see if I felt anything that would hinder the way I've been riding or terrain..I haven't noticed anything with higher pressure then tires ability to deflect and absorb negates alot of that
Rocks and dry dusty jagged rock gardens ✓
Drops, smaller gaps and jumps ✓
Technical climb ✓
Loose over hard kitty litter ✓
So far durability has been solid , zero lug issues , no gashes (some attempts) rim took a beating spokes took a beating but sidewalls have been durable.
HOWEVER!!!!! Hard pack at bike park (28/26 haven't tried 32/28 psi)
I think this is what he didn't like!!..
--THIS--
I did notice if I banked them off camber and rolled em hard up and over top off camber they would drift a bit .that said my old tires would hold them break free hard..no mellow transition..so I do notice that is different for sure. It's not a concrete style dh park tire. It will grip was extremely well (better then typical tire) and it will have a slow roll out to drift instead of of a on off break away ..
Would NOT be my choice for a DJ park with concrete style ground...or a concrete pool .
Some may or may not like that feeling ..that's where I keep saying different styles for different folks. For me and a DGAF line choice just need a tire that's gonna hook up these work for me
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So you recommend running a higher pressure than normal? I'm around 215 lbs post morning bowel movement, typically run 27 rear & 22 front on all bikes. The terrain here in NorCal is all over the board so it seems to work well for me, including on the DH bike at Northstar. A full power ebike is very foreign territory for me (just sold my 6 month old Trek EXe-8 pedal assist bike on Saturday) on setting up suspension etc. So any extra help is most welcoming.
Yep ..up it 3-5psi...
I ran 30/26 likes it I ran 32/28 and it killed it on rocks and nasty hard , loose tech...so less and a carcass that will comply will not wallow per say but absorb quite a bit more and get a slightly floaty dead feel...add to it and it will still get extra grip but be a little more stout....
I set at normal pressure and rode, upper it and rode (loved it) went even higher and not disappointed at all ..we did that night ride at that pressure and I didn't back off...thing still took hits and absorbed way better than a standard tire..
Ride your normal pressure, then Up it 4-5 psi and see...these tires are extremely tuneable with PSI...Which is cool as heck.
I'm 6psi more than normal and 30-32 is killing it on rear 27/28 front is dialed..
I shed 20lbs of muscle for HYROX over last 2 months I'm coming in at 225lbs now before breakfast....so a bit lighter (closer to your weight now)...