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Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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Just because you like dogs doesn't mean you should be bringing it everywhere.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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Again, my Rottie wasn't for therapy, but could have qualified for that due to awesomeness. She was a service dog for the disabled. She turned on/off lights, picked up stuff, carried stuff, opened doors and she also served as a deterrent (more people are scared of Rotties vs a lab or retriever). I took her everywhere for desensitization mainly so she was fine when out with my ex. My ex couldn't have trained her, so I did.

I am partial to my cat, though. She goes wherever the hell she wants. :rofl:
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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So ability to scare people as part of a qualification to be a service dog?

#SymptomsOfaFuckedUpSociety
When you are 4'8" tall with no arms, protection may or may not be a concern in public. Some people choose to conceal carry a weapon, when the person in question lacks arms, the ability to bear arms is limited. :rofl:

Sorry, that was a bad joke.

<edit> Deter, not scare. There is a difference. My Rottie was the sweetest dog on the planet (by design), but most people wouldn't test that theory and that was the goal.
 
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mandown

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Jun 1, 2004
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...Which has me thinking about a post here in this thread on voting. Probably belongs in PAWN. Probably more sad than funny; more depressing than angry.
I voted for the candidate who was forced down my throat and up my ass in some weird, solo Eiffel Tower, airtight effort. I made a difference, picking between two piles of shit who will be the face of binary hot-button issues, masking the underlying criminal atrocities being committed, which will only become known in history books 100 years from now. But I got a sticker that says I picked one.
 

Bunnista

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Jul 27, 2015
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I don't take my dog everywhere and I certainly don't take her places to try to piss off others. I began taking her to shops and such when she was young because I wanted to socialize/train her to be a therapy dog. It became evident that she had the temperament for such, so exposing her to many different environments was a good training. There is an outdoor shopping area nearby that is very welcoming for dogs...many shops have water bowls out and signs indicating such. I always consider what she may prefer---stay home or go for a ride/visit. And if/when she indicates that she doesn't want to work as a therapy dog, we will quit.

I still stand by my belief that well-behaved dogs and people should be allowed in public...others can go.
 

mandown

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I don't take my dog everywhere and I certainly don't take her places to try to piss off others. I began taking her to shops and such when she was young because I wanted to socialize/train her to be a therapy dog. It became evident that she had the temperament for such, so exposing her to many different environments was a good training. There is an outdoor shopping area nearby that is very welcoming for dogs...many shops have water bowls out and signs indicating such. I always consider what she may prefer---stay home or go for a ride/visit. And if/when she indicates that she doesn't want to work as a therapy dog, we will quit.

I still stand by my belief that well-behaved dogs and people should be allowed in public...others can go.
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kazlx

Patches O'Houlihan
Aug 7, 2006
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That entire paragraph is literally the epitome of this thread.

You make it sound like you and your dog have some sort of murder/suicide pact about her being able to handle the rigors of being a 'certified therapy pet'. lmfao.

Just for the record here, what kind of dog? Pomeranian? Min-pin? Chihuaha? Yorkie?
 
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Bunnista

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Jul 27, 2015
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kazix, clearly you have no respect for nor ability to engage in proper discourse. you make many assumptions and draw conclusions based on fabricated information. no more time to waste here...
 

kazlx

Patches O'Houlihan
Aug 7, 2006
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Clearly you aren't socially comfortable enough to go out in public without bringing a security blanket. I'm drawing conclusions, which I'm sure are pretty accurate, on the information provided by you.

You had me at therapy dog. The fact that you even need to 'certify' a 'therapy dog' just sounds ridiculous, but obviously you don't see that. I'm pretty sure you could use basically any dog as a therapy dog without them being certified, with the qualification that they don't bite someone's face off. Any well adjusted dog would do, or cat, or bird, or whatever floats the boat of the person being provided to. The idea that you get all uppity about having a therapy dog and that people don't know the difference between that and a service dog drives my point home.

A service dog provides an actual service, and is trained to assist people that may have disabilities, ie seeing-eye dog, etc. The temperament and training are relatively rigorous. I'm glad you have a certificate for your Pomeranian though.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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You had me at therapy dog. The fact that you even need to 'certify' a 'therapy dog' just sounds ridiculous, but obviously you don't see that. I'm pretty sure you could use basically any dog as a therapy dog without them being certified, with the qualification that they don't bite someone's face off. Any well adjusted dog would do, or cat, or bird, or whatever floats the boat of the person being provided to. The idea that you get all uppity about having a therapy dog and that people don't know the difference between that and a service dog drives my point home.
go tell that to a veteran with PTSD.
 

kazlx

Patches O'Houlihan
Aug 7, 2006
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Not saying a dog can't be used for therapy. Animals are awesome in more ways than just family pets. But you got Bunnista here trying to make it sound all professional at the same time saying it's hilarious when they come out of a dressing room at a boutique together...
 

kazlx

Patches O'Houlihan
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Seems ridiculous that you need a 'certification'. What exactly do you certify? Pretty sure you could use 99/100 Labradors or Golden Retrievers and be perfectly fine. I wasn't saying they can't be used for therapy, my point is that any well adjusted dog would most likely be fine. It's quite different from teaching a dog to turn lights on and off, get specific things or make sure you don't get hit by a car....


In all seriousness, I 100% won't argue that animals are therapeutic. Isn't that the crux of even owning a pet? I just can't help that they would really need a certification. Let's be honest, you could bring a box of kittens or puppies and have a win.
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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Seems ridiculous that you need a 'certification'. What exactly do you certify? Pretty sure you could use 99/100 Labradors or Golden Retrievers and be perfectly fine. I wasn't saying they can't be used for therapy, my point is that any well adjusted dog would most likely be fine. It's quite different from teaching a dog to turn lights on and off, get specific things or make sure you don't get hit by a car....


In all seriousness, I 100% won't argue that animals are therapeutic. Isn't that the crux of even owning a pet? I just can't help that they would really need a certification. Let's be honest, you could bring a box of kittens or puppies and have a win.
a friend of a friend in college had a therapy dog to help with anxiety attacks. they can apparently detect the onset of them, and help to calm them.
 

kazlx

Patches O'Houlihan
Aug 7, 2006
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See...to me that's legit. But I would also put that in more of a 'service dog' category. I was trolling the Bunny for taking her (guessing) dog into a dressing room...that's just silly.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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Seems ridiculous that you need a 'certification'.
I know for my daughters cat, the ex got a letter from a doctor that said the cat was for therapy and so she could have in in her apartment even though it was a pet free complex. :rofl:

For my Rottie it was a huge ordeal. There was a series of doc certifications for overall temperament, hips, elbows, and eyes (there were minimum age requirements for each cert as well) then after 18 months of training I had to take her to San Diego to be "tested" and the ex had to do a dog and pony show for control, commands, and interaction. Once approved she was registered with www.cci.org

It was a huge pain in the ass and I worked with the head trainer on her program, but did all the training myself. But this was in '93, it seemed like you couldn't just claim it and buy a cool vest.
 

Bunnista

Chimp
Jul 27, 2015
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oh you silly boyz....

the dog is a 50 lb. mutt...not cute "toy dog" for you guys to wail on about. awww...an ASSumption busted.

ASSumption #2: I am not the one requiring certification of therapy dogs....the organizations (hospitals, nursing homes, schools) are. I think my dog is well-behaved enough to go to these places, but apparently the boards of directors believe some type of standard is necessary. sounds reasonable.

#3: believe it or not, most of my time spent out in public is not with my dog. another ASSumption goes into thin air! the shopping/dressing room story was about her training/socialization to become therapy dog. personally, it's much easier and faster to shop without the dog, which is more common.

and nice job, kazix! for your ability above to discern a therapy dog from a service dog. two completely different things, which prompted my initial post.
 

mandown

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Jun 1, 2004
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no more time to waste here...
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oh you silly boyz....

the dog is a 50 lb. mutt...not cute "toy dog" for you guys to wail on about. awww...an ASSumption busted.

ASSumption #2: I am not the one requiring certification of therapy dogs....the organizations (hospitals, nursing homes, schools) are. I think my dog is well-behaved enough to go to these places, but apparently the boards of directors believe some type of standard is necessary. sounds reasonable.

#3: believe it or not, most of my time spent out in public is not with my dog. another ASSumption goes into thin air! the shopping/dressing room story was about her training/socialization to become therapy dog. personally, it's much easier and faster to shop without the dog, which is more common.

and nice job, kazix! for your ability above to discern a therapy dog from a service dog. two completely different things, which prompted my initial post.
A man of your word.
 

rockofullr

confused
Jun 11, 2009
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I'm toasting in an epic bread!!



I have a medical marijuana card and I have no legitimate medical reason for it. I do however have a severe allergy to getting busted by the man for a bit of herb.
 

CrabJoe StretchPants

Reincarnated Crab Walking Head Spinning Bruce Dick
Nov 30, 2003
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Groton, MA
Very relevant to this thread, I got into a "debate" with the GF about taking our dog places with us, specifically restaurants. She has selected restaurants/bars to go to solely because they are "dog-friendly".....last Friday night, we went out to a local bar for a few drinks around 9pm, and she wanted to take our dog because they had a dog-friendly patio. I had to explain, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If you're traveling for hours and need to grab a bite to eat and don't want to leave Fido in the car in the hot summer heat, sure. If it's a place specifically intended to bring dogs, sure. But if you're going 5min up the road from your house for an hour or two at 9pm, there's no logical reason to bring a dog with you. Her rationale was he'd rather be with us than home alone, but I'm not sure sitting under a bar stool tied to a leash is all that fun. Besides, just because you love the dog more than your love your SO, doesn't mean every other patron in the place loves him, too.

She was a bit pissed but eventually listened to me (AS ANY GOOD WOMAN SHOULD*). I was somewhat vindicated when the topic came up with her parents and sister, and they all agreed with my point of view. So there's that.

*Sarcasm