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Sex Education (Dr. Laura Schlesinger)

BurlyShirley

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LINK to the article.


Sex Advocates Join With Teachers Union To Take Control From Parents
Abstinence Clearinghouse Press Release
www.abstinence.net
October 8, 2003


The most vocal advocates sex education are teaming up with the nation’s largest teachers’ union to urge congress to take control of children’s sex education from parents.

The Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS) and the National Education Association (NEA) are teaming up once again to advocate for explicit sex education.

SIECUS publishes guidelines for sex education that call for children ages 5 through 8 to be taught about self touch and arousal (pages 29-30), ages 9 through 12 to be taught different ways to seek sexual pleasure other than intercourse (page31), and ages 16 through 18 to be taught about exotic fantasies enhanced by pornographic literature (page 32). The Health Information Network of the NEA has signed their support for these guidelines.

"SIECUS and the NEA say they want parents to be involved, but looking at the facts, it just does not ring true," said Leslee Unruh, president of the Abstinence Clearinghouse. The Abstinence Clearinghouse is an international nonprofit organization that promotes abstinence education and parents as the primary sex educators of their children.

"The NEA and SIECUS were both supportive of a SB71 in California, which was signed last week. That bill took authority away from parents and gave teachers the power to talk explicitly about sex to children of all ages. Parents do not support the messages that SIECUS and the NEA want to force on to their kids," said Unruh, referring to a Zogby survey comparing sex and abstinence education, released in February. When read direct quotes from the SIECUS "Guidelines on Comprehensive Sex Education," the Zogby survey found disapproval rates for the guidelines, with some statements garnering disapproval rates of more than seven in ten parents. The same study showed overwhelming approval (4.5 to 1) for the concepts taught in abstinence education.

"For SIECUS and the NEA to attempt to push parents into giving messages to children that the parents are clearly not supportive of is unconscionable," said Unruh. "Parents do need to talk with their children, but not about SIECUS-style sex. They need to demonstrate love and healthy relationships so that their children can mature into adults that can sustain healthy, lifelong marriages."

"The parent is the advocate of their child," explained Judy Gilliam, a 30-year veteran educator and assistant principal in Fort Wright, Kentucky. "I think we should teach respect for each other and respect for our bodies. I feel it is a parent’s right to be the primary educator of their child. They have the right to say what should and should not be taught, especially in sex education. The parent knows the child better than any teacher."


The Abstinence Clearinghouse is the largest nonprofit organization dealing with abstinence education and advocacy. The Abstinence Clearinghouse assists educators, medical professionals, parents and youth serving organizations to effectively educate adolescents and unmarried adults on the communication skills, relationship information and factual knowledge necessary to make a commitment to abstain from sexual activity outside of marriage. More information is available at www.abstinence.net.

Here’s What You Can Do:
Contact NEA, SIECUS and your Congressmen. Tell them to keep these guidelines away from our public schools and our children.
Tamara Kreinin
President and CEO
SIECUS NY Office
130 West 42nd Street, Suite 350
New York, NY 10036-7802
Phone: 212/819-9770
Fax: 212/819-9776 Reg Weaver
President
NEA
1201 16th Street, NW
Washington, DC 20036-3290


To locate your local U.S. Representative and email a letter, click here.
To write your local U.S. Senator click here.


Check with your school before the beginning of the year and see what type of sex education they teach. Do not allow your child to attend any radical, SIECUS-style sex education classes.


Be your child’s primary sex educator.


Work to get an opt-in policy for sex education, not an opt-out policy. (For opt-in, parents must sign permission slips before the child can attend – like an off campus field trip. With opt-out, parental permission is assumed.)


Contact the local pro-life pregnancy care center or abstinence program to have them present parent education nights before any sex or abstinence education classes. The Abstinence Clearinghouse can help you identify groups in you area – www.abstinence.net.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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SIECUS publishes guidelines for sex education that call for children ages 5 through 8 to be taught about self touch and arousal (pages 29-30), ages 9 through 12 to be taught different ways to seek sexual pleasure other than intercourse (page31), and ages 16 through 18 to be taught about exotic fantasies enhanced by pornographic literature (page 32).
well, the links look valid, but it still sounds more like an onion article to me.
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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This is not the first time I have read something regarding the NEA and a parents right to know or have input on what their child is taught.

There tends to be this "intellectual superiority" attitude on the NEA's behalf when dealing with parents and the child's education.
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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So what's the problem with teaching abstinence?

If as the moral relativists claim all points of view are equally valid, then why not teach abstinence as an option?
 

sshappy

Chimp
Apr 20, 2004
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
So what's the problem with teaching abstinence?

If as the moral relativists claim all points of view are equally valid, then why not teach abstinence as an option?
None whatsoever. Kids should be informed of all points of view (when of an age able to comprehend) and then make informed choices themselves.

The problem is that each group pushes their own agenda and spreads misinformation or hides things.

But isn't abstinence a default?
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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Originally posted by Spud
Nice op-ed piece from the abstinence only people. Is this supposed to pass as news?
No. thats why i put (Dr. Laura) in the title.
 

Spud

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Aug 9, 2001
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
So what's the problem with teaching abstinence?

If as the moral relativists claim all points of view are equally valid, then why not teach abstinence as an option?
Nothing. Clearly abstinence is the most effective option. Teach kids all options, including absitenence- one thing that all sides can agree upon (I hope) is the parents need to be the primary source of sex ed. Many parents don't have the communication skills let alone the technical knowledge to fill that position. Then the kids suffer.
 

Slugman

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Apr 29, 2004
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Originally posted by Spud
Teach kids all options, including absitenence- one thing that all sides can agree upon (I hope) is the parents need to be the primary source of sex ed. Many parents don't have the communication skills let alone the technical knowledge to fill that position.
I think a lot of parents do not even realize how young sexual activity and pressure actually starts... so they may try to talk to them later on in life and not realize that it's just too late.

I'm all for parents being the most responsible adult in a childs life, but i don't think that you can say that about the majority of parents...
 

Spud

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Aug 9, 2001
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I hear that. My GF's mom just left her out to dry on that. Hell, she never even told her how to use a tampon let alone anything about sex ed.

And this was a church-going woman with a masters degree from a nice middle class family. She was shocked when her daughter was pregnant at 17.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
So what's the problem with teaching abstinence?

If as the moral relativists claim all points of view are equally valid, then why not teach abstinence as an option?
The problem is not teaching abstinence as an option. The problem is teaching it as the ONLY option, and leaving out very useful and factual info.
 

sshappy

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Apr 20, 2004
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Are the consequences to sexual activitiy also taught?
Yes, absolutely they should be.

Although if you are referring to the original article in this thread, which consequences are you concerned about?
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by Silver
Like pregnancy and STDs? They damn well should be, along with ways that they can be prevented.
insofar as condoms can prevent STDs, abstinence does. well, at least every time i've practiced it.

I think jocylen elders can "lend a hand" on this topic, too.
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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Originally posted by Silver
Like pregnancy and STDs? They damn well should be, along with ways that they can be prevented.
The only way that is 100% effective at avoiding these (pregnancey & STD's) is abstinence. All the other options are "at risk" with respect to preventing these conditions.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
The only way that is 100% effective at avoiding these (pregnancey & STD's) is abstinence. All the other options are "at risk" with respect to preventing these conditions.
Very true, but those options should still be taught. Kids like to do opposite of what mom and dad teach, and they could very well get mis-information from other sources. Better to educate them on everything, and recommend your personal preference, then to not educate them - tell them "how it's to be" and suffer the consequences of a pregnant or std ridden kiddo.

If you teach them right, and fairly, they'll probably choose your way anyways. But better to teach than to ignore. My kid brother is turning 14 this July...and he has a tendency to attract older teenagers cuz he's a little cutie. Fortunately, Mom and Dad actually sat him down and had "the talk" told him what they prefer, why, told him if he chose to ignore them and do as he pleased then to please protect himself...(He and I are pretty close, so we chit chatted about it after "the talk")

I'm not confident it all hit home with him, but I do know that if he does get into a situation with a young girl, he'll at least protect himself somewhat.
 

Spud

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Aug 9, 2001
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
The only way that is 100% effective at avoiding these (pregnancey & STD's) is abstinence. All the other options are "at risk" with respect to preventing these conditions.
Yep agreed. But there are a few occasions when the kids have a brief lapse in judgement and may stray from that abstinence mantra. (shocking as that may be) I want to make sure they know all the alternatives, risks, benefits and consequences. Parents should do that job, but unfortunately a vast majority aren't prepared for informed blunt discussion on this subject.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
The only way that is 100% effective at avoiding these (pregnancey & STD's) is abstinence. All the other options are "at risk" with respect to preventing these conditions.
That's a crappy argument. The only way to avoid dying in a car crash (about 40,000 people a year in the US) is to never venture out onto the roads. Abstinence from driving, if you will.

I don't know about you, but I wear my seatbelt, and buy cars with airbags.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by Spud
Yep agreed. But there are a few occasions when the kids have a brief lapse in judgement and may stray from that abstinence mantra. (shocking as that may be) I want to make sure they know all the alternatives, risks, benefits and consequences. Parents should do that job, but unfortunately a vast majority aren't prepared for informed blunt discussion on this subject.
Maybe what should happen is schools and community centers should offer/require a course on sex ed for Parents...where the parents can come in...learn about the dangers, how to protect and what is recommended for kiddo knowledge.

:) :thumb: that way the parents also have a community of supporters in that icky discussion.
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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Originally posted by Silver
That's a crappy argument. The only way to avoid dying in a car crash (about 40,000 people a year in the US) is to never venture out onto the roads. Abstinence from driving, if you will.

I don't know about you, but I wear my seatbelt, and buy cars with airbags.
Why is it a crappy argument? Because you say it is?

Comparing teenagers having sex to driving in a car is about as poor a comparison as you and others have asserted in the past when Stinkle and myself have argued that gay married could eventually bring about the "normalization" of sex with children.

In the culture we live in today, it is difficult (although it can be done depending on where you live) to function without driving in a car. I would argue that not having sex does not introduce such difficulties to a persons life. I don't need to have sex to go to work and earn a paycheck, I don't need to have sex to by food to eat, etc. Comparing an activity that is somewhat of a nessecity today to an activity that is not a nessecity is weak at best.
 

Tenchiro

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Jul 19, 2002
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Historically speaking, even absitnence is not 100% effective against pregnancy. :monkey: :p

Seriously when kids are ready, they should be informed of all the options and left to make their own decisions. Religion should be left out of the equation. Just as oil and water don't mix neither do religion and education.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Why is it a crappy argument? Because you say it is?

Comparing teenagers having sex to driving in a car is about as poor a comparison as you and others have asserted in the past when Stinkle and myself have argued that gay married could eventually bring about the "normalization" of sex with children.

In the culture we live in today, it is difficult (although it can be done depending on where you live) to function without driving in a car. I would argue that not having sex does not introduce such difficulties to a persons life. I don't need to have sex to go to work and earn a paycheck, I don't need to have sex to by food to eat, etc. Comparing an activity that is somewhat of a nessecity today to an activity that is not a nessecity is weak at best.
What?

Sex is essential to the survival of the human race, last time I checked. It may not be in 20 years, but right now, I'd say sex is more essential to human existence than driving a car is.

I may have misunderstood you, and if I did, I'm sorry. If you're fine with teaching condom use and all that other fun stuff, but with the caveat that the only 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is abstinence, I'm fine with that.

If you're saying that sex ed should stop after the abstinence message, then I fail to see how my analogy doesn't make sense.
 

Spud

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Aug 9, 2001
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Speaking of STD's -

We have a sign out board at our office to keep track of employees on the road, one of our worker's was out on Short Term Disability.

One wisecracker had her signed out:

"on leave: STD" :devil:
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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Originally posted by Silver
What?

Sex is essential to the survival of the human race, last time I checked. It may not be in 20 years, but right now, I'd say sex is more essential to human existence than driving a car is.
Isn't the article we are talking about referring to sex-ed in the context of teenagers? For a teenager, sex is not essential to their existence. My point is regarding teenagers and their sexual activity or the lack of it, not humanity as a whole should abstain.

Originally posted by Silver
I may have misunderstood you, and if I did, I'm sorry. If you're fine with teaching condom use and all that other fun stuff, but with the caveat that the only 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is abstinence, I'm fine with that.
I'm not "fine" with teaching condom use, but I understand that it will be taught. The limitations of condoms also need to be fully explored when teaching about their use, with the understanding that abstinence is the only 100% "method".
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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Originally posted by Tenchiro
Historically speaking, even absitnence is not 100% effective against pregnancy. :monkey: :p
LOL, true, but I think that case is the exception rather than the rule.

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Seriously when kids are ready, they should be informed of all the options and left to make their own decisions. Religion should be left out of the equation. Just as oil and water don't mix neither do religion and education.
I don't think I ever brought my faith into this discussion. I would hold this point of view regardless of my religious beliefs.

As for separating religion and education (completely), I don't think that it can be done and teach the "whole picture". History and religion (all of them not just Christianity) are interwoven. To understand a particular religion is to have a greater understanding of that period of history.
 

BuddhaRoadkill

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Feb 15, 2004
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Originally posted by Silver
That's a crappy argument. The only way to avoid dying in a car crash (about 40,000 people a year in the US) is to never venture out onto the roads. Abstinence from driving, if you will.

I don't know about you, but I wear my seatbelt, and buy cars with airbags.
... and there ya have it Bob. Reason is such a Scary thing. ;)

/rant
Did anyone actually bother to read the actual SIECUS guidlines?
http://www.siecus.org/pubs/guidelines/guidelines.pdf
Especially pages 29-33 that are so "controversial"? To no surprise the wingnut religious extremist are ignoring context [as well as reality]. Dr. Laura is a class A nutjob fanatico. I really do not see anything even remotely out of line in the guidelines.
/end rant

I've got a question for ya all:
How negligent does a parent need to be before the state should step in?
:devil:
 

Tenchiro

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Jul 19, 2002
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
I don't think I ever brought my faith into this discussion. I would hold this point of view regardless of my religious beliefs.

As for separating religion and education (completely), I don't think that it can be done and teach the "whole picture". History and religion (all of them not just Christianity) are interwoven. To understand a particular religion is to have a greater understanding of that period of history.
I don't mean you specifically but in general, dogma should be left out of the classroom. But as far as teaching historical facts you could of course leave religion in.
 

Spud

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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
LOL, true, but I think that case is the exception rather than the rule.

I know of 3 pregnancies within my family that occurred from teenagers practicing abstinence and no guidance from parents about other forms of birth control....

Good thing I was ugly and “handy” during high school.
;)
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by Spud
I know of 3 pregnancies within my family that occurred from teenagers practicing abstinence and no guidance from parents about other forms of birth control....
i think you're confusing the rhythm method w/ abstinence :D
 

Slugman

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Apr 29, 2004
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Originally posted by Spud
I know of 3 pregnancies within my family that occurred from teenagers practicing abstinence and no guidance from parents about other forms of birth control....

Good thing I was ugly and “handy” during high school.
;)
Should have practiced it more...
 

El Jefe

Dr. Phil Jefe
Nov 26, 2001
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Originally posted by Slugman
Should have practiced it more...
Yeah, I was gonna say, I practiced abstinence, but I never could get it quite right....oh well. :D

by the way, since when does teaching something in school become prohibitive to parents teaching at home? Taking away power? Taking away authority of parents? GMAFB. My kid is 6 and knows all the "parts" and what they do, and has an idea of how babies "happen." Why? Because I told her. Sheesh, it's really only a big deal if you make it a big deal. Just talk to your kids about the vagina, the ovaries, the penis and the testes (or as my daughter refers to them, the "no-footer landers"...long painful story I don't want to rehash right now...)

Friggin Dr. Laura...I wonder if she was trying to teach abstinence when she posed for those nude spread eagle photos taken by the guy with whom she was having an affair?
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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Originally posted by El Jefe

Friggin Dr. Laura...I wonder if she was trying to teach abstinence when she posed for those nude spread eagle photos taken by the guy with whom she was having an affair?

Got a link to that?
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Sweet. THANKS!

Ill check that when i get home.
you do realize it's dr laura, right?

whatever blows your hair back.