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Another 737 has just crashed, this time on landing in South Korea.
Initial reports suggest a problem with the landing gear with a possible bird strike being the cause.
Apparently they tried once, aborted and went around for another try.
Belly landing, hitting a barricade and exploding.
181 on board, death toll at 96 and expected to rise.
Initial reports suggest a problem with the landing gear with a possible bird strike being the cause.
Apparently they tried once, aborted and went around for another try.
Belly landing, hitting a barricade and exploding.
181 on board, death toll at 96 and expected to rise.
This is really odd, there are battery driven hydro pumps to deploy flaps/gear, alternate flaps extension and the APU can power lowering flaps/gear. If they tried to go around and had cleaned up the aircraft and then aborted the go around I could see it, but to not re-deploy seems strange.
Wouldn't they dump some fuel out before attempting a belly landing (is that even possible)?
Just read an article from Reuters that said no emergency crews were on hand nor had the the runway been foamed. Kind of a whole bunch about this story doesn't add up at first read.
Edit: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/experts-question-bird-strike-cause-deadly-south-korean-airliner-crash-2024-12-29/
I guess a whole bunch of this is going to depend on exactly when someone realized they had an emergency.
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Almost certainly on that aircraft.
And even if they had done a go-around and aborted there should still be some flaps.
So much shit would have to break to prevent the flaps and gear to malfunction and that isn't likely with just a bird strike, and even then if normal flight controls are working you take time to talk to the ground to figure it out. Clearly some really important info isn't being shared. Either there was a snow balling issue that made the pilots want to get on the ground ASAP, like a massive fire, or there was some serious human error. Maybe they forgot to go into landing config after the go-around? Do the normally retract all that stuff for a go around?
In the General Aviation world the most common cause of a gear up landing is "I forgot". Its significantly harder to imagine that happening in a commercial aircraft. There would have been all kinds of aural and visual warnings. Go around configuration varies from type to type, but almost certainly involves some sequence of all the throttle, retract the things. Maybe not all the way for flaps/slats, but certainly not fully extended. You don't want to lose lift if you are short final.
Now that I type that, maybe that's what happened? They went to go around but someone missed the gate with the flaps and they came all the way up? If they were slow enough they would have lost lift and bellied in. Pure speculation on my part, that would be a giant error by the crew.
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Clearly there was some kind of technical issue, right engine was probably out but looked contained. The airplane was likely sending alarms at them from the start, kind of easy to ignore further warnings if things escalate, especially if the airplane was barking at them in English.
Just watched the video, not linking because, uh, people.
Looks like it was put down gently, so they had some control, but coming in hot is an understatement. Right engine appears to have taken the bird strike, hard to think it could have exploded to the point to damage the flaps and gear, yet remain controllable and have the thrust reversers engage, which is visible from the video.
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I haven't seen anything regarding the operability of either engine, but one is certainly having a pretty awful fucking day if they are attempting to go around on a single engine.Clearly there was some kind of technical issue, right engine was probably out but looked contained. The airplane was likely sending alarms at them from the start, kind of easy to ignore further warnings if things escalate, especially if the airplane was barking at them in English.
Just watched the video, not linking because, uh, people.
Looks like it was put down gently, so they had some control, but coming in hot is an understatement.
And yeah, the video I saw of the landing is genuinely brutal stuff.
Survivor claimed an engine explosion from a bird strike, this seems to confirm. But the trust reversers were clearly engaged on landing and it didn't seem to yaw.
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After that Azerbaijan flight was hit they were denied emergency landing in Russia and were forced to fly over the Caspian Sea to land. Those pilots had balls of steel! Russia was probably hoping it would crash into the sea and disappear.
Jesus Christ.....
In addition to the no you can't land here and you must fly over the Caspian where we hope you crash, but they also jammed GPS until the plane was out of range.
Pilots are fucking heroes.
Pilots are fucking heroes.
People walked away from this.
Statistically speaking the leading cause of aircraft deaths is missiles, most likely Russian missiles.
South Korea plane crash: Why was there a wall near the runway?
An air safety expert says lives could have been saved if the "obstruction" was not there.
www.bbc.com
apparently there was some fuckery wrt why that structure was built as it was vs being frangible (which TIL is a word)
There is a concrete wall not too far past that berm, results wouldn't have been much different if it wasn't there.South Korea plane crash: Why was there a wall near the runway?
An air safety expert says lives could have been saved if the "obstruction" was not there.
apparently there was some fuckery wrt why that structure was built as it was vs being frangible (which TIL is a word)
Here is a pretty good summary
Interesting that flaps were down for the original approach and functional enough to be retracted. Only thing that really makes sense is that they lost both engines and had no choice but to put it down and didn't have time to get it configured properly.
Not when you land that far down the runway, that means you had time to configure it, since you were long. It still makes no sense why no gear or flaps. Electric hydro pump should have been working and apu on should have been first on the checklist.
FOX 4 News Dallas Fort Worth on Instagram: "More than 100 passengers were evacuated from a Southwest Airlines plane at Denver International Airport Friday after a cell phone battery sparked a fire in the cabin."
13K likes, 1,656 comments - fox4news on November 15, 2024: "More than 100 passengers were evacuated from a Southwest Airlines plane at Denver International Airport Friday after a cell phone battery sparked a fire in the cabin.".
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damn 737s causing problems left and right ehFOX 4 News Dallas Fort Worth on Instagram: "More than 100 passengers were evacuated from a Southwest Airlines plane at Denver International Airport Friday after a cell phone battery sparked a fire in the cabin."
13K likes, 1,656 comments - fox4news on November 15, 2024: "More than 100 passengers were evacuated from a Southwest Airlines plane at Denver International Airport Friday after a cell phone battery sparked a fire in the cabin.".
FOX 4 News Dallas Fort Worth on Instagram: "More than 100 passengers were evacuated from a Southwest Airlines plane at Denver International Airport Friday after a cell phone battery sparked a fire in the cabin."
13K likes, 1,656 comments - fox4news on November 15, 2024: "More than 100 passengers were evacuated from a Southwest Airlines plane at Denver International Airport Friday after a cell phone battery sparked a fire in the cabin.".
Not uncommon
Several years ago my old employer started installing "fire bags" for the express purpose of smothering things like flaming laptops or cell phones. I assume this was mandated by the feds because there was no way in hell the airline was going to spend a dime on something not necessary to maintain regulatory compliance.
Much lower carbon footprint than air travel, and when done right far more convenient.
China unveils prototype for what could be the world’s fastest high-speed train
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/537980/china-unveils-prototype-for-what-could-be-the-world-s-fastest-high-speed-train
China unveils prototype for what could be the world’s fastest high-speed train
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/537980/china-unveils-prototype-for-what-could-be-the-world-s-fastest-high-speed-train
Meanwhile, NZ, like the USA, is busy saying "FU" to running effective rail networks. 
Welcome to Canada.Meanwhile, NZ, like the USA, is busy saying "FU" to running effective rail networks.
We have the worst government ever.Meanwhile, NZ, like the USA, is busy saying "FU" to running effective rail networks.
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