oster_oops:Hard to believe a prosecution against bombers that had no bombs would collapse.
What a waste of funking time this whole war on terra is!
SHOCKER: Sears Tower Plot Case Falls Apart
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oster_oops:Hard to believe a prosecution against bombers that had no bombs would collapse.
What a waste of funking time this whole war on terra is!
Rick ,Rick, Rick...
I hope you mean the War in Iraq. Seperate philosophy than the GWOT. We need a GWOT much like we need full time police to fight the War on Crime.
Don't lump a "I'm gonna get you cause you tried to kill mah daddy" vendetta into what we need to be executing on a day to day basis know as the War on Terror.
Maybe if we renamed it to something like the Research and Analysis Project to Reduce the Scope of Perceived World Threats to The Safety and Security of Non- Muslim Extremist Jihadist Global Citizens.
Wow, that may be a title even a Democrat could like....
I hope you mean the War in Iraq. Seperate philosophy than the GWOT. We need a GWOT much like we need full time police to fight the War on Crime.
Don't lump a "I'm gonna get you cause you tried to kill mah daddy" vendetta into what we need to be executing on a day to day basis know as the War on Terror.
Maybe if we renamed it to something like the Research and Analysis Project to Reduce the Scope of Perceived World Threats to The Safety and Security of Non- Muslim Extremist Jihadist Global Citizens.
Wow, that may be a title even a Democrat could like....
It is my understanding that the neocons believe that the war in Iraq is part of the war on terror. Mind you that there were no terrorists in Iraq until we illegally invaded and through the use of torture in Abu Ghraib created a good reason for the Iraqi people to become terrorists and oppose the US occupation. Terrorist, Freedom Fighter... it all depends on persepective. Anyhow, enough on Iraq.
I am specifically talking about the war on terror. Not Iraq. When the government uses entrapment to try and encourage people with no means and no connections into a terror plot, they are wasting their time, money, and efforts. Why not prosecute real terrorists instead of manufacturing them?
If we were truly concerned about terrorists doing bad things in America™ we would have secured the borders long ago. Instead our government does things to create hatred around the world. They don't hate us because we are free. They hate us because our empire is meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations. They hate us because we torture people for information about WMD we know they don't have. They hate us because we contract our dirty work out to private mercenaries who kill indiscriminately and are above the law. They hate us for the million dead in this illegal war, and if we just stop it they might not hate us so much.
If there really were terrorists that meant to do us harm they would have done it already. We have no defenses against it no matter how many grandmothers we feel up at the airports. Our borders are completely porous and anyone who wanted to bring in a nuke could easily do so. This whole thing is a campaign designed to make the people afraid and the corporations rich. Let's just stop the stupidity now.
Let us all stand up and shout, "I will not be afraid any longer. Taking away my rights does not make me safe or free. Please cut the bull****! I have had enough!"
If you are afraid of some losers in caves on the other side of the planet then you need to get over it. 3000 people died at the WTC due to terror (if you accept the official conspiracy theory). Terror that would not be possible had the military (as testified to by Norman Mineta) had not stood down against established protocols. But that is another topic.... 3,000 people died six years ago and since that time 240,000 died in automobile accidents. Are you afraid to drive? If terror is really a threat in your mind, you had better grow a set. There are really many other things more worthy of our concern.
I am specifically talking about the war on terror. Not Iraq. When the government uses entrapment to try and encourage people with no means and no connections into a terror plot, they are wasting their time, money, and efforts. Why not prosecute real terrorists instead of manufacturing them?
If we were truly concerned about terrorists doing bad things in America™ we would have secured the borders long ago. Instead our government does things to create hatred around the world. They don't hate us because we are free. They hate us because our empire is meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations. They hate us because we torture people for information about WMD we know they don't have. They hate us because we contract our dirty work out to private mercenaries who kill indiscriminately and are above the law. They hate us for the million dead in this illegal war, and if we just stop it they might not hate us so much.
If there really were terrorists that meant to do us harm they would have done it already. We have no defenses against it no matter how many grandmothers we feel up at the airports. Our borders are completely porous and anyone who wanted to bring in a nuke could easily do so. This whole thing is a campaign designed to make the people afraid and the corporations rich. Let's just stop the stupidity now.
Let us all stand up and shout, "I will not be afraid any longer. Taking away my rights does not make me safe or free. Please cut the bull****! I have had enough!"
If you are afraid of some losers in caves on the other side of the planet then you need to get over it. 3000 people died at the WTC due to terror (if you accept the official conspiracy theory). Terror that would not be possible had the military (as testified to by Norman Mineta) had not stood down against established protocols. But that is another topic.... 3,000 people died six years ago and since that time 240,000 died in automobile accidents. Are you afraid to drive? If terror is really a threat in your mind, you had better grow a set. There are really many other things more worthy of our concern.
Another shocker--there are still Muslims out there who want to kill you!!!
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLn7MrKcLzGF2QVTWWfpnfQ1v75wD8THGLGO0
Guilty Pleas in California Terror Case
By GILLIAN FLACCUS – 4 days ago
SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — Two men accused of plotting behind prison walls to launch attacks on military sites, synagogues and other targets in 2005 pleaded guilty Friday to conspiring to levy war against the United States.
Kevin James, 31, and Levar Haley Washington, 28, both pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy charges. Washington also pleaded guilty to using a firearm to further that conspiracy.
Authorities say James, Washington and two others were part of a California prison gang cell of radical Muslims planning attacks in the Los Angeles area.
"Homegrown terrorism remains a grave concern to the security of our country, and this cell was closer to going operational at the time than anyone since 9/11," Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Michael Downing told reporters at a news conference after the two men entered their pleas.
Prosecutors say James even had a press release prepared to send out after an attack.
"This incident is the first in a series of incidents to come in a plight to defend and propagate traditional Islam in its purity," James is accused of writing. "We are not extremists, radicals or terrorists. We are only servants of Allah."
The plotters were within weeks of being able to carry out an attack when they were uncovered in July 2005 by police investigating a string of gas station robberies, Torrance Police Chief John Neu said. Authorities said the men committed about 10 holdups to finance the attacks.
James faces as many as 20 years in prison when he is sentenced March 31. Washington faces as many as 20 years in prison on the conspiracy charge and five years to life for the firearms offense when he is sentenced April 28. Prosecutors said Washington used a shotgun to rob a Torrance gas station on July 4, 2005.
Both men said little during their separate hearings, answering U.S. District Judge Cormac J. Carney's questions with one-syllable responses.
Washington's attorney, Ellen Barry, said outside court that her client decided it was "in his best interests" to plead guilty. James' attorney, Robert Carlin, declined to comment.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Greg Staples said as a result of the plea agreement James' maximum possible sentence was reduced from 25 years to 20. U.S attorney spokesman Thom Mrozek said prosecutors would recommend an 18-year sentence for James and 25 years for Washington.
Also indicted in the case were Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana. Samana is a Pakistani national, while the others are U.S.-born Muslim converts.
Patterson and Samana are charged with conspiracy to levy war against the U.S. government through terrorism, conspiracy to possess and discharge firearms in a violent crime, conspiracy to kill members of the U.S. government uniformed services, and conspiracy to kill foreign officials. Patterson is also charged with a robbery count and using a firearm in a violent crime.
U.S. Attorney Thomas O'Brien said Samana has been declared mentally unfit to stand trial and is undergoing psychiatric care at a federal prison facility. Patterson is expected to plead guilty to a terrorism conspiracy charge on Monday.
The plot was orchestrated by Washington, Patterson and Samana at the behest of James, an inmate at the California state prison at Sacramento who founded the radical group Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh, or JIS, authorities said.
Washington converted to Islam while imprisoned with James, then looked to recruit other members for the group, authorities said. Neu said Patterson and Samana were recruited in part because they had no criminal records and could acquire weapons without suspicion.
Washington, Patterson and Samana — who attended the same Inglewood mosque — are accused of conducting surveillance of military sites, synagogues, the Israeli Consulate and El Al airline facilities in the region, as well as doing Internet research on Jewish holidays, prosecutors said in 2005.
James preached that JIS members should target for violent attack any enemies of Islam, or "infidels," including the U.S. government and any supporters of Israel, according to court documents.
He also created a document he called the "JIS Protocol," which advocated the establishment of an Islamic caliphate in the U.S. that followed Shariah law, or Islamic law.
"Sit back, build and attack!" prosecutors say James wrote in his document. "Our obvious targets being the Western forces of the U.S. and their ... society."
James spelled out in a separate document that JIS members must learn Arabic, acquire two pistols with silencers, learn bomb-making and become "legitimate."
"Acquire identification, drivers license. ... Keep regular contact with your parole agent," prosecutors say James wrote. "Your dress code must not bring attention. ... We have work to do."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLn7MrKcLzGF2QVTWWfpnfQ1v75wD8THGLGO0
Guilty Pleas in California Terror Case
By GILLIAN FLACCUS – 4 days ago
SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) — Two men accused of plotting behind prison walls to launch attacks on military sites, synagogues and other targets in 2005 pleaded guilty Friday to conspiring to levy war against the United States.
Kevin James, 31, and Levar Haley Washington, 28, both pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy charges. Washington also pleaded guilty to using a firearm to further that conspiracy.
Authorities say James, Washington and two others were part of a California prison gang cell of radical Muslims planning attacks in the Los Angeles area.
"Homegrown terrorism remains a grave concern to the security of our country, and this cell was closer to going operational at the time than anyone since 9/11," Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Michael Downing told reporters at a news conference after the two men entered their pleas.
Prosecutors say James even had a press release prepared to send out after an attack.
"This incident is the first in a series of incidents to come in a plight to defend and propagate traditional Islam in its purity," James is accused of writing. "We are not extremists, radicals or terrorists. We are only servants of Allah."
The plotters were within weeks of being able to carry out an attack when they were uncovered in July 2005 by police investigating a string of gas station robberies, Torrance Police Chief John Neu said. Authorities said the men committed about 10 holdups to finance the attacks.
James faces as many as 20 years in prison when he is sentenced March 31. Washington faces as many as 20 years in prison on the conspiracy charge and five years to life for the firearms offense when he is sentenced April 28. Prosecutors said Washington used a shotgun to rob a Torrance gas station on July 4, 2005.
Both men said little during their separate hearings, answering U.S. District Judge Cormac J. Carney's questions with one-syllable responses.
Washington's attorney, Ellen Barry, said outside court that her client decided it was "in his best interests" to plead guilty. James' attorney, Robert Carlin, declined to comment.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Greg Staples said as a result of the plea agreement James' maximum possible sentence was reduced from 25 years to 20. U.S attorney spokesman Thom Mrozek said prosecutors would recommend an 18-year sentence for James and 25 years for Washington.
Also indicted in the case were Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana. Samana is a Pakistani national, while the others are U.S.-born Muslim converts.
Patterson and Samana are charged with conspiracy to levy war against the U.S. government through terrorism, conspiracy to possess and discharge firearms in a violent crime, conspiracy to kill members of the U.S. government uniformed services, and conspiracy to kill foreign officials. Patterson is also charged with a robbery count and using a firearm in a violent crime.
U.S. Attorney Thomas O'Brien said Samana has been declared mentally unfit to stand trial and is undergoing psychiatric care at a federal prison facility. Patterson is expected to plead guilty to a terrorism conspiracy charge on Monday.
The plot was orchestrated by Washington, Patterson and Samana at the behest of James, an inmate at the California state prison at Sacramento who founded the radical group Jamiyyat Ul-Islam Is-Saheeh, or JIS, authorities said.
Washington converted to Islam while imprisoned with James, then looked to recruit other members for the group, authorities said. Neu said Patterson and Samana were recruited in part because they had no criminal records and could acquire weapons without suspicion.
Washington, Patterson and Samana — who attended the same Inglewood mosque — are accused of conducting surveillance of military sites, synagogues, the Israeli Consulate and El Al airline facilities in the region, as well as doing Internet research on Jewish holidays, prosecutors said in 2005.
James preached that JIS members should target for violent attack any enemies of Islam, or "infidels," including the U.S. government and any supporters of Israel, according to court documents.
He also created a document he called the "JIS Protocol," which advocated the establishment of an Islamic caliphate in the U.S. that followed Shariah law, or Islamic law.
"Sit back, build and attack!" prosecutors say James wrote in his document. "Our obvious targets being the Western forces of the U.S. and their ... society."
James spelled out in a separate document that JIS members must learn Arabic, acquire two pistols with silencers, learn bomb-making and become "legitimate."
"Acquire identification, drivers license. ... Keep regular contact with your parole agent," prosecutors say James wrote. "Your dress code must not bring attention. ... We have work to do."
Ummm, yeah, well see, the ringleader was already in prison. So he doesn't seem like much of a threat to me. All prison conversations are monitored already, so these folks obviously aren't the brightest bulbs.
Look, I understand there are bad people in this world. Bad people who want to do bad things for all kinds of reasons, but seriously... for what reason should we fear these few people enough to sacrifice our civil liberties, devalue our currency, and bring about the deaths of millions of people? America should try and maintain some perspective on all of this and STOP overreacting. It's rather pathetic.
I've never once argued that America (love the "tm," by the way...seriously, it's not cute or poignant anymore, if it ever remotely was) was combating terrorism in an effective or intelligent way.
That doesn't mean that there's not an active and direct Islamist threat...we are, in fact, making it a lot worse.
That doesn't mean that there's not an active and direct Islamist threat...we are, in fact, making it a lot worse.
Agreed.
There may be a threat and our actions definitely exacerbate it, but it certainly isn't the dire threat many make it out to be.
It isn't me. It is the innernet filterbots that scan my innernet traffic and insert the symbol into the tubes where required by law. Those filterbots place the symbol there whenever they see a registered trademark and since that word is clearly owned by corporate interests I am not surprised they see fit to insert the symbol at least once per page.
