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Changleen

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1844021,00.html

Bush 'helped Israeli attack on Lebanon'

Dan Glaister in Los Angeles
Monday August 14, 2006
The Guardian

The US government was closely involved in planning the Israeli campaign in Lebanon, even before Hizbullah seized two Israeli soldiers in a cross border raids in July. American and Israeli officials met in the spring, discussing plans on how to tackle Hizbullah, according to a report published yesterday.

The veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh writes in the current issue of the New Yorker magazine that Israeli government officials travelled to the US in May to share plans for attacking Hizbullah.

Quoting a US government consultant, Hersh said: "Earlier this summer ... several Israeli officials visited Washington, separately, 'to get a green light for the bombing operation and to find out how much the United States would bear'."

The Israeli action, current and former government officials told Hersh, chimed with the Bush administration's desire to reduce the threat of possible Hizbullah retaliation against Israel should the US launch a military strike against Iran.

"A successful Israeli Air Force bombing campaign ... could ease Israel's security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential American pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran's nuclear installations," sources told Hersh.

Yesterday Mr Hersh told CNN: "July was a pretext for a major offensive that had been in the works for a long time. Israel's attack was going to be a model for the attack they really want to do. They really want to go after Iran."

An unnamed Pentagon consultant told Hersh: "It was our intention to have Hizbullah diminished and now we have someone else doing it."

Officials from the state department and the Pentagon denied the report. A spokesman for the National Security Council told Hersh that "The Israeli government gave no official in Washington any reason to believe that Israel was planning to attack."

Hersh has a track record in breaking major stories. He was the first to write about the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and has written extensively about the build-up to the war in Iraq. He made his name when he uncovered the massacre at My Lai during the Vietnam war. Most recently he has written about US plans for Iran, alleging that US special forces had already been active inside the country.
 

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But here's a real shocker...

Hunt on for baby bombers
By JOHN KAY
Chief Reporter
and SIMON HUGHES


HATE-filled mums willing to sacrifice themselves and their BABIES are being hunted in the war on terror.

Security sources confirmed last night that alleged “baby bombers” were among those arrested over the plot to massacre thousands by downing transatlantic flights.

Those being quizzed included a husband and wife with a six-month-old infant.

The discovery prompted fears that there were fanatical mothers in secret al-Qaeda cells in Britain ready to become suicide bombers — and to die with their tots in their arms.

And it emerged as the reason why women at airports were ordered to drink from their babies’ bottles before being allowed to board flights during last week’s massive alert.

One senior Government security adviser warned of a race against time to identify individuals who might pose a threat.

The adviser said: “It may be beyond belief, but we are convinced that there are now women in Britain who are prepared to die with their babies for their twisted cause. They are ruthless, single-minded and totally committed.”

The nightmare is that mums carrying tiny tots would provide “very good cover” and not raise suspicions among even the most alert security guards.

The threat was identified along with an additional warning that as many as two dozen terror cells may still be active in Britain.

The source added: “We believe all the known players involved in last week’s plot have been detained. Our biggest concern now is all the unknown players who may be out there.

“And that includes mothers who are ready and willing to see their little ones die. It is a race against time.” Women around the world have carried out suicide attacks in the past.

Two female Chechen terrorists blew themselves up on separate flights in Russia two years ago.

An intelligence source said: “Al-Qaeda specialises in attempting the unexpected. What could be more unexpected in Western eyes than women willing to die with their babies?”

MI5 chiefs are jubilant over cracking the plan to disguise bombs as soft drinks or baby bottles — but warned that other forms of transport are massively at risk from suicide attacks.

The Government source said: “There are dozens of other outrages being plotted on all forms of transport because they offer the highest potential body count.”

Yesterday it emerged that among those detained in last week’s raids is believed to be a key al-Qaeda figure.

A senior Government official said: “He is not al-Qaeda’s Mr Big in Britain but he is certainly a very important player.”

It is now almost certain that a dummy run for an attack had been planned by terrorists for a flight over the weekend.

“We now think that was on,” said the source.

Last night 23 people arrested in raids in London, Birmingham and High Wycombe, Bucks, remained in police custody.

Twenty-two can be detained until Wednesday and a decision on another individual has been adjourned until today.
 

rockwool

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N8 said:
But here's a real shocker...The adviser said: “It may be beyond belief, but we are convinced that there are now politicians in Britain who are prepared to kill mothers and their babies for their twisted cause. They are ruthless, single-minded and totally committed.”
N8, I thought you was pro kill?!! Are you pussying out now?
 

Toshi

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that's pretty sickening. and N8, do you fail to grasp the significance of this? this administration and the israelis are a bunch of bloodthirsty fools who will get their just deserts by unrelenting waves of suicide bombers.

of course, that's exactly what each govt wants -- to keep the sheep running scared and properly in line.

:bomb:
 

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Toshi said:
that's pretty sickening. and N8, do you fail to grasp the significance of this? this administration and the israelis are a bunch of bloodthirsty fools who will get their just deserts by unrelenting waves of suicide bombers.

of course, that's exactly what each govt wants -- to keep the sheep running scared and properly in line.

:bomb:
1. I bet the Pentagon runs all kinds of "scenarios", from invading Cuba, China, and NK; to defending Europe against a Russian invasion.

2. I haven't chimed in with my opinion about the Israel/Lebanon, because I don't know who is right or wrong. Is Israel right for attacking because a soldier (who has not returned yet) was kidnapped? Were the Hezbollah justified in kidnapping a soldier? Should Israel not attack missile sites located in the Lebanon neighborhoods? Should the Hezbollah not use residential neighborhoods to launch missiles?

It goes around and around and around.
 

Changleen

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sanjuro said:
1. I bet the Pentagon runs all kinds of "scenarios", from invading Cuba, China, and NK; to defending Europe against a Russian invasion.
Sure, but 'running scenareos' is a bit different from "...getting a green light for the bombing operation and to find out how much the United States would bear."

2. I haven't chimed in with my opinion about the Israel/Lebanon, because I don't know who is right or wrong. Is Israel right for attacking because a soldier (who has not returned yet) was kidnapped? Were the Hezbollah justified in kidnapping a soldier? Should Israel not attack missile sites located in the Lebanon neighborhoods? Should the Hezbollah not use residential neighborhoods to launch missiles?
Wow, even your speculation is biased... But the answer to who is wrong is easy - Both wrong, Israel wronger. 1300 civilians and an environmental disaster just for good measure....
 

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sanjuro said:
1. I bet the Pentagon runs all kinds of "scenarios", from invading Cuba, China, and NK; to defending Europe against a Russian invasion.

2. I haven't chimed in with my opinion about the Israel/Lebanon, because I don't know who is right or wrong. Is Israel right for attacking because a soldier (who has not returned yet) was kidnapped? Were the Hezbollah justified in kidnapping a soldier? Should Israel not attack missile sites located in the Lebanon neighborhoods? Should the Hezbollah not use residential neighborhoods to launch missiles?

It goes around and around and around.
1. You can be shure dubya didn't plan a damn thing. He can't carry out a mission to the bathroom without bumping that stupid head of his on something....

2. What hasn't come forth in the mainstream media is that the Israeli soldiers (2 captured, 8 killed) was far inside Lebanon.
"The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they "infiltrated" into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html
For the two captured soldiers Hizballah has asked swop them for 3 (that I know of) Lebanese, of which one of them has been in jail since ~83.
The Israeli answer you allready know of.
The important thing here is what the 10 Israelis were doing in Lebanon? They were too far in to just have disorientated them selves. Were they sent over for the very reason to start a war? Looking at the whole picture with Iran-Syria-Hizbollah and the hidden and outspoken objectives of USA-Israel, it seems like it. With the facts presented by Dan Glaister in that atricle, it is beyond doubt.
 

RenegadeRick

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sanjuro said:
Is Israel right for attacking because a soldier (who has not returned yet) was kidnapped? Were the Hezbollah justified in kidnapping a soldier?
I know rockwool already answered this but most people I talk to really believe that Hezbollah kidnapped Israel's soliders. This is completely untrue. The soldiers were CAPTURED in LEBANON.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2243129#post2243129

Meanwhile the media still is reporting kidnapping. Even as recently as 1 hour ago:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Mideast_Fighting_Whats_Next.html
...Olmert acknowledged "deficiencies" in the way the war was conducted, and promised to "do better" in the next war. His government is coming under intense criticism for failing to break Hezbollah or secure the release of the two kidnapped soldiers - and for holding off on a massive land invasion that many Israelis believed was necessary to win the war.