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Should I legalize prostitution in SF?

Shall the city stop enforcing laws against prostitution?


  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .

sanjuro

Tube Smuggler
Sep 13, 2004
17,373
0
SF
After looking over the prop to rename the sewage plant to George Bush, I noticed this prop:

Shall the City: stop enforcing laws against prostitution; stop funding or supporting the First Offender Prostitution Program or any similar anti-prostitution program; enforce existing criminal laws that prohibit crimes such as battery, extortion and rape, regardless of the victim's status as a sex worker; and fully disclose the investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against sex workers?

Fiscal Impact from City Controller:
Should the proposed ordinance be approved by the voters, in my opinion, costs could increase or decrease depending on how the City implements the ordinance. The ultimate cost or savings from the proposal would depend on decisions made in the City's budget process.

In general, the ordinance proposes to decriminalize prostitution by restricting the City from allocating resources to the investigation and prosecution of prostitutes for prostitution. Investigation and prosecution of other crimes related to prostitution would not be restricted.

The proposed ordinance could result in lower costs related to decreased enforcement by the Police Department and other public safety and justice agencies related to investigating, arresting, prosecuting and jailing sex workers for prostitution. Estimates are that the City spends between $1.6 million and $3.2 million on these enforcement efforts annually. However, there is also research showing that decreasing prostitution enforcement could significantly increase other public safety and justice costs as well as costs related to public health, counseling and regulatory activities.

The City would be specifically prohibited from providing support or receiving funds through the First Offender Prostitution Program, which collects fines from clients of prostitutes and uses these funds to educate them about the effects of prostitution among other purposes. In Fiscal Year 2007-2008 public agencies such as the District Attorney and Police Department received approximately $162,000 from the First Offender Prostitution Program and non-profit organizations received approximately $85,000 through contracts with the City

Meaning of Voting Yes/No
A YES vote on this measure means:
If you vote "yes," you want the City to:

* stop enforcing laws against prostitution,
* stop funding or supporting the First Offender Prostitution Program or any similar anti-prostitution program,
* enforce existing criminal laws that prohibit crimes such as battery, extortion and rape, regardless of the victim's status as a sex worker, and
* fully disclose the investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against sex workers.

A NO vote on this measure means:
If you vote "no," you do not want to make these changes.
I leave it to RM to decide how I should vote for this.
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
12,690
290
VT
Why don't you check to see how Nevada, Rhode Island, and New Zealand are getting along with legal prostitution?
 

Straya

Monkey
Jul 11, 2008
863
3
Straya
Its never going to go away but it seems that if you legalise it and control it to some degree some of the negative aspects of the sex trade can be reduced. Legal brothels can reduce street solicitation (especially if street solicitation is banned) and women working in brothels can get better access to services such as regular AIDS testing etc resulting in better health outcomes for workers and clients and there is greater security for the workers if they are in a brothel so incidents of sexual assault can be reduced. Now the negatives of brothels are that they can be a magnet for organised crime and sex slave trades, however if they are legal and registered they can be policed and inspected on a regular intervals to try and reduce problems.

Sex trade is a pretty dirty and degrading business and there are no clear solutions that will keep everyone happy but absolute prohibition is going to be about as successful as alcohol prohibition was.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
6,649
26
SF, CA
This was one of the few really contentious ones at our election party (partAY!) Sunday night. On the one hand, prostitution is pretty rampant in this city and the bill makes it much more likely that prostitutes will come to the authorities in cases of abuse/assault/rape/human-trafficking etc. without fear of repercussions, not to mention seeking treatment for disease or drug-addiction. On the other hand it eliminates one of the existing programs ("first offender" like driving school for hookers), and it doesn't put into place any new resources for prostitutes. There's also the fact that it may encourage growth of the sex industry.

I think Montreal is the model, here, not Nevada (where prostitution is only legal in brothels, which still leaves prostitutes at the mercy of Madames and Pimps). Montreal has a pretty safe, healthy sex industry that has had no obvious averse effects on the city (other than it being Canadian).

edit: I voted for it, but many of my friends (including my girlfriend) will not.
 

IH8Rice

I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!
Aug 2, 2008
24,524
494
Im over here now
Why don't you check to see how Nevada, Rhode Island, and New Zealand are getting along with legal prostitution?
Rhode Island has legal prostitution???

if a city is thinking about it, then they should look at Amsterdam. they keep medical records for all the awhores and require them to get tested regularly.
if you go and see Michelle there, tell her Steve said hi..hehe
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
22,025
7,932
Colorado
I'm voting against it. The tenderloin is bad enough given they don't enforce the laws. God only knows when it is no longer againsdt the law.
 

Straya

Monkey
Jul 11, 2008
863
3
Straya
The tenderloin is bad enough
Ah the memories. I remember as a newb tourist on our first day in SF allowing another member of our party to navigate and watching the city change from nice to dodgy as we unwittingly walked along deeper and deeper into the tenderloin. Eventually I noticed that the bloke walking past was holding a crack pipe and was spurred into asking "can I have a quick look at that map"? Good times.


You'll never stop prostitution, may as well regulate and manage it.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
14,591
6
...abuse/assault/rape/human-trafficking etc. without fear of repercussions, not to mention seeking treatment for disease or drug-addiction.
bam.
human-trafficking is the new growth/exploitation industry.

for this reason alone, i'd pooh-pooh the measure

I say legalize it. Could create alot of jobs.
boo!
mmike called; he wants his sense of humour back
 

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
Oct 26, 2001
11,737
1,820
chez moi
Montreal has a pretty safe, healthy sex industry that has had no obvious averse effects on the city (other than it being Canadian).
I hear that the wait on a blowjob referral is just a killer, though. Canucks are probably fleeing to Thailand for better service on the open market...
 

ire

Turbo Monkey
Aug 6, 2007
6,196
4
I say vote for it; prostitution won't go away, but if it's legal at least they can regulate it (hopefully)
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
14,591
6
I say vote for it; prostitution won't go away, but if it's legal at least they can regulate it (hopefully)
neither will murder, mob tactics, embezzlement, rape, & strong armed robbery
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
6,649
26
SF, CA
neither will murder, mob tactics, embezzlement, rape, & strong armed robbery
Oh ****, we should totally regulate murder! The OJ case could have been a serious money-maker. I'm sure he would have paid something like a $10M tax and just been done with it, rather than going through the whole dog and pony show...
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
43,528
15,753
Portland, OR
"I'd rather be in Las Vegas 104 degrees than New York 90 degrees, you know why? Legalized prostitution. In any weather that takes the edge off." - Ray Romano
 

sanjuro

Tube Smuggler
Sep 13, 2004
17,373
0
SF
There are usually several silly propositions on the SF ballots, which I will vote common sense.

I was seriously going to vote according to how the my poll went.

But I read several local stories about abuse of teenage girls, including a prostitution sting.

While I feel there is nothing wrong with prostitution between consenting adults, teenagers are usually the victims, so I am going to vote no to a law change.

I hope by keeping the laws the same, one more child is protected.