as per clancy98's request, this thread has been moved to a more appropriate forum.
discuss.
discuss.
should our skyscrapers (or other large buildings/bridges/etc) be terrrorist-proof?
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narlus said:
There is no such thing as "anything"-proof.
Resistant is the best you can do.
is it waste of money to treat the symptons rather than the root cause?
Um, 5,000-120,000 rpm that's heatless and frictionless, and there is no wear and tear on the system? And, for some reason, is physically impossible to jam? Not to mention completely silent? Excuse me while I chuckle in disbelief.
binary visions said:Um, 5,000-120,000 rpm that's heatless and frictionless, and there is no wear and tear on the system? And, for some reason, is physically impossible to jam? Not to mention completely silent? Excuse me while I chuckle in disbelief.
Pfft... you've never heard of frictionless bearings?
so if it's a bi-product of humanity, then why aren't all countries affected equally? i thought that W said that the terrorists hated freedom. there are plenty of freedom-loving countries which don't have to worry about building terrorist-resistant edifices.N8 said:
What the fock is a "bi-product"??narlus said:
Is that something like a "bi-sexual"......? -S.S.-
so unless its evenly distributed, its our fault... That makes even less sense. Terrorism IS widely spread. There ARE terrorists in every country, just maybe not Muslim terrorists like you are picturing. Just because they don't attack everywhere doesn't mean they dont exist everywhere. Thats just weak logic.narlus said:
So is a terrorist that doesn't attack still a terrorist? If there are no terrorist attacks in Sweden is there still a terrorist problem in Sweden? Methinks the logic is not as weak as you think it is.clancy98 said:
i´ve never heard of anything "frictionless"....N8 said:
you mean like a perpetual motion machine???
I like skyscrapers
you don't mention anything about the terrorists' motivation though. of course terrorism is widespread (witness the spain fiasco w/ the basque separarists, et al). bush was constantly harping on the fact that al qaeda hates our freedom. there are plenty of free countries which don't meddle into the affairs of others, hence no reprisal.clancy98 said:
Terrorism- The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.clancy98 said:
By the very definition terrorists must make their presence known to be terrorists.
A terrorist that people aren't aware of can't instill terror. If they don't instill terror they aren't terrorists.
Note that if you remove the word unlawful from the definition of terrorism you have a good summary of American foreign policy as of late.
yeah genius but the people who flew the freakin planes into the towers certainly weren't from NYC, or even the US for that matter.
I'm saying, terrorists come from everywhere, right now their "cause" is using the US occupation to recruit more terrorists so they can fight whatever "injustice" comes around next time by blowing themselves up in public places. Kamikaze types always need new soldiers.
Terrorists are an ongoing problem. They existed long before the US went into Iraq and they will be there long after.
How could you possibly not understand that?
I'm saying, terrorists come from everywhere, right now their "cause" is using the US occupation to recruit more terrorists so they can fight whatever "injustice" comes around next time by blowing themselves up in public places. Kamikaze types always need new soldiers.
Terrorists are an ongoing problem. They existed long before the US went into Iraq and they will be there long after.
How could you possibly not understand that?
clancy, we are not arguing the existence of terrorists. i think we all know they are a bit hardier of a species than, say, the dodo. please reply to my last post.
to respond to your last post (not of course the incredibly clever and decidedly euro "dodo" post) the answer is that America is the flagship of freedom. They, being the terrorists, hate non-oppressive governments because their oppressive governments have been oppressing them and GIVING THEM their fanatical beliefs their entire lives. Terrorism is just a product of racism enforced by tradition, whether it be "family tradition" OR governmental/religious tradition.
So feel free to peacock around in the PD forum and bait people in non political threads as much as you want, but don't sit here and pretend that terrorism only exists because of president Bush, because you couldn't possibly be that ignorant.
So feel free to peacock around in the PD forum and bait people in non political threads as much as you want, but don't sit here and pretend that terrorism only exists because of president Bush, because you couldn't possibly be that ignorant.
the policies in the middle east were forged long before W (Sr or Jr) got into power. they just exacerbated it.
america as the "flagship of freedom" is a highly debately opinion, but i suppose we shouldn't confuse personal freedoms as mandated by the constitution w/ foreign policy.
america as the "flagship of freedom" is a highly debately opinion, but i suppose we shouldn't confuse personal freedoms as mandated by the constitution w/ foreign policy.
lol!...clancy98 said:
i hate to bust the bubble of deillusional thinking and behaviour, but the US is no longer the "flagship of freedom". that got routed a long time ago with the drafting, the patriot act, the moral majority, etc...
there are other countries far more reachable and representative of "freedom" to those outside the US.
if you ask me (not that is my opinion 100%), i get the feeling that people in the 3rd world kinda swallows that "dependency theory", and sees the US as the oppressor, the imperialistic power, the new 1800s-UK... and not the "flagship of freedom we hate because we envy".
i dont think you could get many southamericans (or for this matter any 3rd worlder) to freely associate "freedom" with "US" in a 1st/thing/in/mind game.
and, i also like how you link 2 things that look unrelated with the brief swift of a "hate non-oppressive governments because their oppressive governments have been oppressing them".
clancy98 said:
haha, i forgot the noun.. i write as i think...
yup, its basically idiots attacking the states because is a superpower, in a neocolonial (i dislike that word, but fits the bill here) kinda way.
is just the good ol "perceived squeezed vs perceived squeezers" of always...
clancy98 said:
free in what sense? the "freest of the free" is a myth imo.
economical? according to this it rank 12th.
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=Unitedstates
democratic, political? according to 13th,.
http://www.worldaudit.org/democracy.htm
It should be renamed the 'Blind Patriot Act' in order of those who support it.
so the terrorists hate non-oppressing countries. ok, i'll bite. the only thing oppressive about sweden is their tax rate. when's the last time a swedish target was hit by radical terrorists?clancy98 said:
I said Sweden. Quit plaigarizing me.narlus said:
Clancy98 never answered my post though...
I am greatful to be living in a country where I have as many freedoms as I do. We have a group of visionaries dedicated to the formation of a free and democratic society to thank for this. In my opinion this gives us Americans the duty to question our government when it does wrong and drifts from these ideals (IE patriot act). Blind Faith in our government is the furthest thing from patirotism and an insult to the founding fathers. In order to remain the most free country in the world we have to constantly be questioning our leaders and ensuring our rights are protected. The belief in this practice seems to be fading lately, all you have to do is call someone with strong beliefs a hippy and our society will ignore them.
Back to the topic of terrorism:
I think its very immature to think terrorism is just an extreme form of jealousy. Are we really that full of ourselves that we beleive all anyone else in the world can think about is how free we are? Muslim extremists don't hate the United States because of our freedom they hate us because of our negative effect on their culture and specifically what they see as a challenge to their religious values. American presence on Muslim holy lands alone is an insult to many people in the middle east, and we need to be more aware of issues like this. Look at the Soviets in Afghanistan, did Osama Bin Laden fight them because he hated how free the soviet people were? No, it was because the Soviets were trying to move into a Muslim country and set up their own government and spread their power (threating Islam).
That said, the extremists that turn to terrorism are not justified in any way, Islam certainly does not condone it. Terrorism is a crime and the perpetrators should be punished. However we need to be more respectful of other cultures and try to understand what the implications of our actions are.
Back to the topic of terrorism:
I think its very immature to think terrorism is just an extreme form of jealousy. Are we really that full of ourselves that we beleive all anyone else in the world can think about is how free we are? Muslim extremists don't hate the United States because of our freedom they hate us because of our negative effect on their culture and specifically what they see as a challenge to their religious values. American presence on Muslim holy lands alone is an insult to many people in the middle east, and we need to be more aware of issues like this. Look at the Soviets in Afghanistan, did Osama Bin Laden fight them because he hated how free the soviet people were? No, it was because the Soviets were trying to move into a Muslim country and set up their own government and spread their power (threating Islam).
That said, the extremists that turn to terrorism are not justified in any way, Islam certainly does not condone it. Terrorism is a crime and the perpetrators should be punished. However we need to be more respectful of other cultures and try to understand what the implications of our actions are.
Pop quiz:clancy98 said:
1. How many of the hijackers were Saudi?
2. Who is Saudi Arabia ruled by?
3. Which country has been a great friend to the rulers of Saudi Arabia the last 50 years?
4. Do I have to draw a picture?
Ooh, ooh, I know this one....Silver said:
..Yes!?!
From now on all buildings should be made of Nerf. Unless your dog chews on them they are nearly impossible to break and if you knock one down no one will get hurt.
^^^^^........and wrapped in bubble paper!
**** sorry I just hadn't been here to see it yet. Went to a practice round of the memorial on wed and as an indirect result never made it to work thurs.... In response to your post, I never said anything about supporting the patriot act unless you pulled that from my enigmatic "blah blah blah".... But its nice to see you guys still carrying on an argument with me in my absence. Bikes rule!fluff said:
oh and you guys are like my best friends so feel free to dispense with the "98" and just call me Clancy.... Or the C to the L. Or just better than you...
Man, you really are in trouble...clancy98 said:
Hey Clancy of the Overflow...that warrior poets link in your sig is quite funny. Very P.J O'Rourke. Who knew you frothers could be funny.