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Skyrocketing Property Taxes Bring Homeowners To Brink Of Revolt...

N8 v2.0

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...taxes suck...

Property taxes rising nationwide
Ron Scherer | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

NEW YORK – While fuel prices may be starting to skid, there's another expense closer to home that is upsetting many Americans: rising property taxes.

From Madison, Wis., to Bucks County, Pa., the local tax assessor is dipping deeper into homeowners' pockets as real estate prices rise and states share less of their tax revenue with local governments.

With people starting to receive their 2005 tax bills, the levies are squeezing the middle class and senior citizens - leaving them less to spend on everything from restaurants to roof repair. There is also concern the taxes could particularly hurt the home-buying chances of the young or civil servants such as firefighters. States such as New Jersey now have grass-roots efforts - verging on revolts - for reform.

"There is a property tax crisis," says Myron Orfield, a property tax expert at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis. "It's especially bad in states like New Jersey, Ohio, Connecticut, and Illinois, which are property-tax dependent."

Part of the problem lies in demographics and the rapid growth of exurban communities. Young couples who can't afford suburban homes have moved to "edge" communities further from the cities. Those are filled with children, and to educate them the communities have to jack up property taxes to build new schools and hire teachers.

"The property tax system accelerates the sprawl," Mr. Orfield says, "and communities are competing for the few [taxable] businesses."

The changing demographics have combined with an unusual economic phenomenon: home prices climbing at double-digit rates in some areas. This would make homeowners happy, except that an increasing number of communities are now assessing property values every year.

Factor in changes in state budgets where many governors are still grappling with ways to close budget gaps. One way for them to cut expenses: Reduce funding to local governments.

Madison, Wis., is an example of how some of these changes are affecting both the town and some of its residents. Assessments climbed 9 to 10 percent for several years in a row as housing prices have risen, reflecting the city's buoyant economy. This is happening once more, so even though the city is actually reducing the mill rate (the multiple of property value used to determine residential taxes) from 8 mills to 7.8, property taxes are going up 5.5 percent.

The city's rising property taxes are squeezing retirees Diane and Donald Brockman, who have lived in the same house for over 40 years. Now, the retirees estimate it takes them two full months of their fixed income to pay their property taxes.

"We don't go out to eat, we don't go to theaters, we don't travel a lot," says Mrs. Brockman, who worked as a operating-room nurse for 40 years. "You have to give up your pleasures that you have worked all your life to do," she says, suggesting that it might be appropriate for the community to give some kind of tax credit to them for all the years they have faithfully paid their taxes.

Mayor Dave Cieslewicz, an unabashed liberal, is sympathetic to their plight. "We've moved away from progressive forms of taxation to more regressive," he says. "This is of great concern to me that the tax structure is less fair."

In many states, the tax bite is finally causing taxpayers to bite back. For example, in New Jersey, a grass-roots group, Citizens for Property Tax Reform, says it has 500,000 participants after 15 months of existence. The group's mission is to force a property tax reform "convention."

"For 30 years the New Jersey legislatures tried but they couldn't come up with a ... solution, so we thought we should take the process out of Trenton," says Cy Thannikary, a retiree and revolt founder. "We want fundamental reform of the way to fund schools and municipal services."

New Jerseyites are far from alone in their frustration. Other states struggling with the issue include Iowa, Indiana, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Maine, and Vermont, and Wisconsin.

Some states are looking at the California model of capping property taxes so they rise only 2 percent a year. Others, such as Pennsylvania, are hoping to substitute the revenue from slot machines to hold down property taxes.

Some are looking at the Michigan model: It sends all property taxes to the state, which redistributes money from rich communities to needy ones.

Many citizens, especially those on a modest fixed income, clamor for relief. In Schwenksville, Pa., retiree Arthur Fairclough watched his property taxes rise 9.8 percent last year. "It will eventually eat up my total Social Security. We have enough income to cover it now but I'm worried about the future."
 

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Wow N8 an interesting article finally. Every now and again you surprise.
It's really the result of an ageing society, something common to almost all OECD economies. The average age grows and we wonder where the money to pay for society will come from. Someone (JRogers sic) posted a great spiel about demographics in another thread. This is that at work. Greater minds than anyone on this forum have to come up with a solution and soon as thing is already biting and hard.
 

MTB_Rob_NC

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N8 said:
Some states are looking at the California model of capping property taxes so they rise only 2 percent a year.
Florida has a similar model, that only applies to "Homestead" or the actual home you live in, it does not cap other investment properties and such. Property taxes are very fair since they are directly related to the value of the asset you own.
 

fluff

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valve bouncer said:
Wow N8 an interesting article finally. Every now and again you surprise.
It's really the result of an ageing society, something common to almost all OECD economies. The average age grows and we wonder where the money to pay for society will come from. Someone (JRogers sic) posted a great spiel about demographics in another thread. This is that at work. Greater minds than anyone on this forum have to come up with a solution and soon as thing is already biting and hard.
The EU has the answer - everyone should have more kids - genius, eh?

Alternatively allow immigration of young people for twenty years only...
 

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fluff said:
The EU has the answer - everyone should have more kids - genius, eh?

Alternatively allow immigration of young people for twenty years only...
Fluffo, I know you're being facetious (nothing wrong with that mind you :D :thumb: ) but I think you've hit the nail on the head. But I think you're only half way there.

Present models of economic growth in the OECD countries are based on the idea of a constanly growing economy which as I see it now is based on the first world relying on the second and third worlds to produce the things we need cheaply to supply our economies. This seems unsustainable in the long term. By that I mean until the middle parts of this century. In the short term, meaning the next generation and not far beyond it is perhaps sustainable but as the economies of India and China and Brazil (as an example) mature we are faced with the problem of more consumers than there are producers. We are already seeing this in the OECD. There needs to be a model of economic sustainability that recognises this.

I wish there was an easy answer, christ if I it knew I wouldn't be sitting here drinking this cheap ass bourbon. All I know is things have gotta change. I'll probably die happy, at 35 I'm halway to my 3 score and 10 but I worry about my boys and their young-uns. When we drop-off the perch I'd like to think we'd left the orb in a better state than we found it. I don't think we're doing that at the moment.
 

MTB_Rob_NC

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valve bouncer said:
we are faced with the problem of more consumers than there are producers.
Do you really see this as a serious long term problem? Although at some point there maybe a short term over demand issue, some where, some one in an attempt to better the linings of their pockets will step up and fill the demand.


And hence capitalism. :D
 

narlus

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I wish there was an easy answer, christ if I it knew I wouldn't be sitting here drinking this cheap ass bourbon. All I know is things have gotta change. I'll probably die happy, at 35 I'm halway to my 3 score and 10 but I worry about my boys and their young-uns. When we drop-off the perch I'd like to think we'd left the orb in a better state than we found it. I don't think we're doing that at the moment.
my feelings exactly. i hope the future is good for my boys, but i've got a nagging feeling that nero is using the resin...
 

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Mtb_Rob_FL said:
Do you really see this as a serious long term problem? Although at some point there maybe a short term over demand issue, some where, some one in an attempt to better the linings of their pockets will step up and fill the demand.


And hence capitalism. :D
I'm with ya Rob.....in the short term at least. OK, no system has given some of us such a high standard of living as the combination of stable democracy and capitalism. Everyone that has the ability to post on this site cannot deny that. No-one who posts here is not "rich" in world terms, we're all incredibly lucky I feel. But I can't see how this can be sustained, relying as it is to the most part on the sweat of the "others" further down the economic trail. Our very system says that those "others" if they work hard enough can eventually reach "our" level. But how can "they" all reach "our" level and still sustain the system. Something has to give eventually. Either we have to forcibly keep the "others" at a lower economic level or we have to create a system where the creation of wealth is more equitable. I know which system I'd prefer.
 

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I've been looking for a cheap place in the mountains to set up the easy life. South Dakota has cool mountains, no property taxes, and is pretty light on every other kind of tax. I hope to check it out next year.
 

N8 v2.0

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Ridemonkey said:
I've been looking for a cheap place in the mountains to set up the easy life. South Dakota has cool mountains, no property taxes, and is pretty light on every other kind of tax. I hope to check it out next year.

The only this is that the winters are brutal!

:shivering:
 

valve bouncer

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narlus said:
my feelings exactly. i hope the future is good for my boys, but i've got a nagging feeling that nero is using the resin...
You got boys too mate? A lot of times they keep me going my boys. They got hope my young blokes, I'm gonna try and nurture it because I don't wanna let 'em down....they deserve more...
 

MTB_Rob_NC

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valve bouncer said:
But I can't see how this can be sustained, relying as it is to the most part on the sweat of the "others" further down the economic trail. Our very system says that those "others" if they work hard enough can eventually reach "our" level. But how can "they" all reach "our" level and still sustain the system.
Well thats the thing. It is an imperfect system for an imperfect world. There are really 2 factors that make your argument less likely.

1) Its not "just" about hard work, it is about hard work and risk. There are plenty of hard "workers" out there, that will do very well for themselves. However take that same level of "work" and add risk and you get someone that obtains a much higher level in the capitalistic society.

2) Not everyone out there (or here even) wants to work hard (and take risk) There are plenty of people out there, that for one reason or another are perfectly content on being "labor"

Maybe at some point in the future, when the field starts to level out (globalization of the work force and the upcoming of 2nd and 3rd world countries) the disparity between the "labor" and "management" (if you will) will be lessened.

Who knows... it certainly makes for interesting conversation though. :thumb:
 

Btyler311

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The question is "are there enough people in africa to make all our and Europe's and China's n India's goods? Maybe for a while it will switch to the next most third world area. There are of course other problems with africa doing our do-boy jobs though like ethnic cleansing and the growing machete industry.

Maybe I'll take up Dirt Jumping and see if I can kill my self before our economic system collapses. LOL

Ty
 

skatetokil

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The biggest factor that I see making our economy unsustainable is that our education system does nothing to encourage entrepreneurship and independent thinking. Even our best universities train middle management and bureaucrats, and the public schools, jesus what a mess. Maybe that's all that can be expected of most people and maybe you just can't teach ambition and creativity, but if we don't get our **** together, there are going to be young, hungry and smart indians and chinese eating our collective lunch.

I think they want success more than us, are willing to take bigger risk and do dirty work that we would turn our noses up at. As has been mentioned, this risk taking pays real rewards under this system. We're more interested in leisure, with having time to play with our toys. Nice while it lasts. . .
 

LordOpie

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Well, the good news is, with the increasing budget deficit, the economy should take a nice downturn after the next elections thereby lowering property values and subsequently property taxes.