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Slider plus: 1st Impressions

spoke80

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I installed the fork Friday night in hopes of going to Sugar to peep the new trail that Butch and the boys roughed in but the lack of a 8" adapter poiled my plans. So I focused my attention on a good break in session at windrock on Sunday.

My reasons for going to a slider plus were entirely due to wanting to run a lighter fork. I knew going in to the fork swap that I would be giving up 1" of travel, forgiving plushness, and ease of maintenance.

The trails at windrock on Sunday were perfect. IT rained a little the day before and alittle bit of soil moisture remained in the soil due to a fog that hangs in the lower valley until first light. Plus Joey had raked 4 out of 5 of the trails so I knew that the conditions would not affect my test.

Here we go:

I dropped in and instantly noticed that the slider + is fast. The fork pummeled that sharp inbedded rocks and roots with authority allowing me to remain in complete control right off the bat. This opening section leads to a series of drops that set the tone for the rest of the courses offered below. Anyway, I ran out across the first road crossing and intered the approach to a 4" drop to a slight tranny. In the past my shiver would smack the landing and remain "squished out" as it wallowed in its travel; not so with the slider+. I rumbled off the little drop and prepared for the landing. I knew from previous experience that this hit has more than meets the eye but when I set the bike down I was gone. The slider soaked it and kept me pointed precisely where I wanted to go with zero correction on my part. THe shiver would bounce off the track and steer me towards the two sheep sized rocks that you have to not hit because you have another drop on the heels of the first one so being on line is critical. Okay, that done I instantly knew that this fork had alittle something stashed up its stanctions. But one more section would seal the deal, the first rock garden to water fall. The fork slaughted the technical drops and tracked to perfection over the pelthora of square edge, lunchbox sized rocks typically found here. Before I knew it I was on the first trail junction but I already discovered that this little black beauty was the one I had been looking for.

I found that right out of the box without any tuning or preparation the fork blew my mind about what suspension is these days. The new fork lowered my bike down and I believe it shortened the wheelbase which, finally made my rig feel perfect to me. I had felt that the bike wanted to go out from under me or it would get lost in the front suspension.

I did 3 runs on trail 1, 2 snakerock runs, and 1 run down the race course from the finals. Six runs total with alittle bit of everything to test the slider on and from tight slowish singletrack to full on high speed big hits. After my third run I pumped the air chamber up to 70lbs and blammo, I found the fork to be a good match to my riding stylo.

I would highly reccomend this fork to anyone who is looking for a light dh race fork. I here that the maintenance will be an issue but we will see after the 20 hr breakin period. Oh yeah, this fork was not the super plush gobbler that the shiver is. THe slider was a "particularly hard on the little things", meaning that the small bump performance was not near the same as the shiver. (duh) But this fork does one thing that I really apreciate, it skips like a little school girl over the roughest sections I could find. The fork doesn't wallow in its travel as it tries to gobble up every bump like a hungry-hungry hippo, it is more hit it and quit it. And for me I like to do just that bust it and be off to the next episode. I have heard that the fork will breakin and become more forgiving on the small bumps but we will see right now I am stoked on the slider.

Weight: 165 lbs
Height: three apples
Bike: DH9

Shock setup
totally stock accept for increasing the air pressure to 70lbs.
 

Threepointtwo

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Nice review. That pretty much sums up the way I feel about mine. Maintenance isn't a big issue either once you put in some "wet lube". It comes with a light grease inside from the factory but if Manitou services it at the races, the put in a little splash lube and that keeps it going smooth for a long time.
 

spoke80

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Threepointtwo said:
Nice review. That pretty much sums up the way I feel about mine. Maintenance isn't a big issue either once you put in some "wet lube". It comes with a light grease inside from the factory but if Manitou services it at the races, the put in a little splash lube and that keeps it going smooth for a long time.

Thank you for the help in making up my mind with this fork your comments were excellent.

What "wet lube" are you referring to and where should this be applied?
 

profro

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spoke80 said:
What "wet lube" are you referring to and where should this be applied?

Dude, if you don't know where 'wet lube' goes.... oh you're talking about a fork. Yeah I need to know that too. :(
 

Threepointtwo

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spoke80 said:
Thank you for the help in making up my mind with this fork your comments were excellent.

What "wet lube" are you referring to and where should this be applied?
Motorex makes a Semi-Bath lube for this. You start like you are removing the lowers with the bike upside down. Pull the lowers up an inch or so and squirt a little bit (20cc or so) in each leg through the bolt holes. Remember this the next time you take the lowers off because it will run out all over the place.
 

spoke80

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Threepointtwo said:
Motorex makes a Semi-Bath lube for this. You start like you are removing the lowers with the bike upside down. Pull the lowers up an inch or so and squirt a little bit (20cc or so) in each leg through the bolt holes. Remember this the next time you take the lowers off because it will run out all over the place.

Awesome, I just got some ordered. Thanks again for all the help. :thumb:
 

Jeremy R

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Three apples. :D :D :D
Yo Ben.
Sweet review. I am glad that you like the fork.
I bet that thing does work well with the DH9 for sure.

I got your message real early Saturday morning, and Doug told me that
you were looking for an adaptor. Sorry man.
But I sold mine with the fork.
 

spoke80

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Jeremy R said:
Three apples. :D :D :D
Yo Ben.
Sweet review. I am glad that you like the fork.
I bet that thing does work well with the DH9 for sure.

I got your message real early Saturday morning, and Doug told me that
you were looking for an adaptor. Sorry man.
But I sold mine with the fork.

No worries, I enjoy any excuse to give someone a hip-hop message.
 

MikeD

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Oct 26, 2001
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Great review; many of us felt the same with our SPV shocks...

AT FIRST.

Those of you thinking of buying one of these now might want to listen to those of us who've seen their SPV gear gradually get worse and worse before finally going out.

As hypocritical as it may be, given the newness of the product, I'd put more faith in the Stance Kingpin, myself. That's what I'd buy if I wanted a light, cheap DC fork. The TPC+ valving is already proven; only question is oddities in the chassis...god knows if the Kingpins will end up having seal or bushing problems or whatever. Hopefully, they'll prove at least as durable as the shermans have been.

Don't mind me; I'm just bitter that my SPV Firefly blew at the beginning of a big riding weekend...and I'm also in love with my standard 6" TPC+ Slider, which is the smoothest fork I've ever owned; it's even better than my old Super T was.

MD
 

spoke80

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MikeD said:
Great review; many of us felt the same with our SPV shocks...

AT FIRST.

Those of you thinking of buying one of these now might want to listen to those of us who've seen their SPV gear gradually get worse and worse before finally going out.

As hypocritical as it may be, given the newness of the product, I'd put more faith in the Stance Kingpin, myself. That's what I'd buy if I wanted a light, cheap DC fork. The TPC+ valving is already proven; only question is oddities in the chassis...god knows if the Kingpins will end up having seal or bushing problems or whatever. Hopefully, they'll prove at least as durable as the shermans have been.

Don't mind me; I'm just bitter that my SPV Firefly blew at the beginning of a big riding weekend...and I'm also in love with my standard 6" TPC+ Slider, which is the smoothest fork I've ever owned; it's even better than my old Super T was.

MD

Thanks for the heads up :thumb: .

Believe me I am worried as well about how the fork will behave as it breaks in but if there is a weakness windrock will find it and exploit it. I don't know what you are about or how you ride, but I really don't try to ride to hard. I just like to go fast and so far I am stoked with this design.
 

spoke80

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profro said:
Remember Ben, we only have to ride these until the DH40s show up. :evil:

True dat! But if this fork keeps going the 40 will have some shoes to fill,even small ones. blah:
 
MikeD said:
...and I'm also in love with my standard 6" TPC+ Slider, which is the smoothest fork I've ever owned; it's even better than my old Super T was.
MD
I concur. I recently bought a new '03 6" Slider tht was pulled from a showroom bike, bolted it on my Planet-X, and was blown away with it's small-bump sensitivity and smoothness. Like you said, it's as good as any of my Marzocchi's, which I have considered to be the smoothest and plushest forks around.

I had heard Manitou kinda screwed-up with the SPV on the Slider+ in terms of killing small bump sensitivity, so I decided to go with an '03. I'm glad I did. :D Besides, the Compo was designed for a 5-6" fork, so a Slider+ would have compromised its handling.

I'm glad to see that Manitou responded to complaints about SPV performance with the likes of the Kingpin. If it's as good as the '03 Slider seems to be, it should rock.

Cheers.
 

MikeD

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I finally had some time during a work day to call Manitou about my blown SPV, and they agreed to 1) replace it on warranty and 2) provide, at my request, a TPC+ cartridge assembly instead of an SPV. Woohoo! Thanks, Manitou!

Only part I found odd was that after giving me the part #s I needed, they made me go through a shop for the actual ordering instead of sending the parts to me direct; I suppose this is just so they can have a third party put eyes on the situation. Manitou knows I'm doing the cart. replacement myself, and I wish I could just get the parts in instead of having to have someone else order them and then have to go pick them up.

Oh, well, not gonna argue with helpful tech support and free replacement parts...

MD
 

profro

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Feb 25, 2002
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So I decided to give the Slider+ a go on my DH9 through the winter. Just like Spoke, I replaced my Shiver.

I beak it down like this:

1. The steering response is incredible. Best summed by a drop to an off camber, flat landing which gives me h3ll on my Shiver. When it landed, the wheel flexed and steered me towards the donwhill side and a huge rock. I'd have to fit like a mad man to get the Shiver to respond and get back on track. Now I know how it should be. The Slider lands really smooth and immediately turns up hill and around the rock with little effort.

2. Unlike the Shiver which was a let the fork doing the steering kind of fork, the Slider+ lets you control the direction. Its light and nimble and can be flicked where ever you need it in a effortless motion.

3. I never noticed the 1 inch less of travel.

4. I never never felt it bottom.

5. It tracked better and flew through rough high speed rock gardens WAY better than the Shiver.

6. It did suffer some in the super slow speed, highly technical rock gardens. But I think it can be easily compensated for by riding style.

Overall in two days of riding at Windrock on the Slider+, I'm a faster rider. PERIOD. I may have to rethink what fork I'll be racing next year.
 

spoke80

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That's right! We were haulin a$$ this weekend. The trails were perfect and there's nothing better than Windrock at Speed.
 

MikeD

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profro said:
So I decided to give the Slider+ a go on my DH9 through the winter. Just like Spoke, I replaced my Shiver.
...

Overall in two days of riding at Windrock on the Slider+, I'm a faster rider. PERIOD. I may have to rethink what fork I'll be racing next year.
Another Zocchi diehard bites the dust (dum, dum dum)...

Same thing happened to me. I was amazed when I let the brand-loyalty thing go and just bothered to learn about/try other products (as in, "wow! There's not a problem with a Manitou if there's a little oil on the stanchions!").

Zocchi is still great, and I think the Shiver is an awesome fork...but there are so many more options out there.

MD
 

profro

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MikeD said:
Another Zocchi diehard bites the dust (dum, dum dum)...

Same thing happened to me. I was amazed when I let the brand-loyalty thing go and just bothered to learn about/try other products (as in, "wow! There's not a problem with a Manitou if there's a little oil on the stanchions!").

Zocchi is still great, and I think the Shiver is an awesome fork...but there are so many more options out there.

MD
Well put. To add though... I feel like I am at a stage in my skill set that I can feel and appreciate the difference in a fork like ther Slider+ over the Shiver. But 6 months ago, I couln't have.
 

MikeD

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I'm in California...my style is mostly Germanic, with a hint of Semitic influence...and I race against my ego.

I guess I'm what you'd call an all-around mountain biker, though. My big bike is my RFX with the 6" slider, and I don't bother to race anymore. If I do, I'm a mid-pack sport guy...
 

Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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Rode around on a friends slider+ yesterday.

It was suffering from the dreaded "clunk". If it didn't have this problem, it might be a nice fork, the "harshness" wasn't readily apparent, so it seemed supple enough.
 

Sherpa

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profro said:
Well put. To add though... I feel like I am at a stage in my skill set that I can feel and appreciate the difference in a fork like ther Slider+ over the Shiver. But 6 months ago, I couln't have.
Man, when i was at Windrock my SuperT would wallow on high speed hits that's why i'm considering a Dorado MRD. Thanks for the review.
 

profro

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Sherpa said:
Man, when i was at Windrock my SuperT would wallow on high speed hits that's why i'm considering a Dorado MRD. Thanks for the review.
Dorado's are pimp to say the least, but the Slider+ is pretty darn pimp and way cheaper. :dancing:
 

Sherpa

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profro said:
Dorado's are pimp to say the least, but the Slider+ is pretty darn pimp and way cheaper. :dancing:
Yea but with EP the price difference goes way down. Hmm i wonder White Bros or Manipoo......
 

WheelieMan

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Sherpa said:
Yea but with EP the price difference goes way down. Hmm i wonder White Bros or Manipoo......
Just get the slider plus. If you're looking for lightweight, its the fork you need. Although judging from your bikes, it appears that you have a gold mine in your backyard. So maybe you should get the dorado.
 

MikeD

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Dorado MRDs still give me the new-product-problem jitters. Why spend so much on a product that hasn't been proven reliable for its small number of owners? Given my choice of forks, I'd get a TPC+ dorado, or, if I had megabucks, an Avalanche Ti fork. White Bros also looks interesting, and they've been getting better and better reviews...looks like problems are being ironed out.

For my money, though, it's that new Kingpin that looks the most interesting...

MD
 

UiUiUiUi

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MikeD said:
Dorado MRDs still give me the new-product-problem jitters. Why spend so much on a product that hasn't been proven reliable for its small number of owners? Given my choice of forks, I'd get a TPC+ dorado, or, if I had megabucks, an Avalanche Ti fork. White Bros also looks interesting, and they've been getting better and better reviews...looks like problems are being ironed out.

For my money, though, it's that new Kingpin that looks the most interesting...

MD
according to my latest info from answer it seems they changed their minds again.
they won't restart producing the X Works Dorado. :(



whether there will be a dorado 200 with TPC+ damping or something like that, i don't know!

what do you mean with kingpin?
 

DVNT

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spoke80 said:
Anyway, I ran out across the first road crossing and intered the approach to a 4" drop to a slight tranny. In the past my shiver would smack the landing....

sorry

the 4 INCH drop typo cracked me up!

4 Inch to Tranny that is! ha ha ha
 

profro

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DVNT said:
sorry

the 4 INCH drop typo cracked me up!

4 Inch to Tranny that is! ha ha ha

Dude, Windrock is gnar! There are tons of 4" drops to tranny, but we do have some 3" drops to flat. Now thats big.


;) :p
 

MikeD

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UiUiUiUi said:
what do you mean with kingpin?
Manitou Stance Kingpin...the 'stance' line is a new, ultra-low priced line of forks made in Taiwan. The Kingpin is a dual-crown TPC fork with cromo stanchions and an air preload assist. 170mm. Not new technology, so it's pretty proven stuff, except for the bushings, if they're different from the Sherman line.

I'm suprised you don't know about these...the first info on it we saw was auf deutsch. I had to do some translation...

MD
 

Jeremy R

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Having owned both a Dorado TPC+ and a Slider +, I just do not see a good reason to pay more $ for the Dorado. The Slider was alot lighter, and felt like a stiffer fork for me, which more than often the right side up forks normally do. The only reason I can think of going with the Dorado is because it will fit a 2.8 Michelin.
If you have a long slack bike like the DH9, I can see where the Slider would be perfect race fork for it.
Whereas my DHR was short and steeper, so putting a longer 170mm 888 on it really improved it. Frame geo. numbers can have alot to do with how well a fork feels on a particular bike as well.
 

UiUiUiUi

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MikeD said:
Manitou Stance Kingpin...the 'stance' line is a new, ultra-low priced line of forks made in Taiwan. The Kingpin is a dual-crown TPC fork with cromo stanchions and an air preload assist. 170mm. Not new technology, so it's pretty proven stuff, except for the bushings, if they're different from the Sherman line.

I'm suprised you don't know about these...the first info on it we saw was auf deutsch. I had to do some translation...

MD
stupid me didn't make the connection to the stance line.
i have seen those forks and read some stuff about it, but i didn't bother to keep the different model names in my head.
 

MikeD

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Jeremy R said:
Having owned both a Dorado TPC+ and a Slider +, I just do not see a good reason to pay more $ for the Dorado. The Slider was alot lighter, and felt like a stiffer fork for me, which more than often the right side up forks normally do. The only reason I can think of going with the Dorado is because it will fit a 2.8 Michelin.....
I can see a good reason for it...the SPV "clunk!"

The slider will fit a 2.8 if you run a 521/721 rim, btw. It *barely* clears the arch when mounted on a D3.1. No mud clearance and a slight wobble in the rim leads to an annoying rub.

MD
 

JRogers

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MikeD said:
I can see a good reason for it...the SPV "clunk!"

The slider will fit a 2.8 if you run a 521/721 rim, btw. It *barely* clears the arch when mounted on a D3.1. No mud clearance and a slight wobble in the rim leads to an annoying rub.

MD
a 2.8 can fit with almost any rim but there is no room and it will rub all the time- hard cornering, big hits and braking. I ran a Comp 32 on a Slider with a Mag 30.
 

Sherpa

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UiUiUiUi said:
according to my latest info from answer it seems they changed their minds again.
they won't restart producing the X Works Dorado. :(



whether there will be a dorado 200 with TPC+ damping or something like that, i don't know!

what do you mean with kingpin?
Damn, if the Dorado MRD X-Works comes in TPC+ it's going to be a no-brainer for me. In the new '05 QBP product showing it says the MRD is TPC+ yet the updated Manitou site says SPV Evovle. As of right now it look's like a White Bros.