So Called "ASSAULT" WEAPONS BAN EXPIRED!

ALEXIS_DH · Sep 13, 2004

N8 said:
From the ATF website:

Semiautomatic Assault Weapon Update

By statute, the prohibitions relating to semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices expired on September 13, 2004. As a result, certain sections of the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, and its implementing regulations, 27 CFR Part 478, are no longer in effect.

YES!

WE HAVE OUR FREEDOM BACK!

hmm, good for you.
:rolleyes:

anyway, wasnt it constitutionally right at some point to own slaves too???
start your lobby to re-instate that god-given right!!!!!!! :eviltongu

the armed militia shall rise!!!!!!!

hey, and btw, i read in yahoo news that ak47s were going to be legal now. is that true?

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

ALEXIS_DH said:
hmm, good for you.

anyway, wasnt it constitutionally right at some point to own slaves too???
start your lobby to re-instate that god-given right!!!!!!! :eviltongu

the armed militia shall rise!!!!!!!

hey, and btw, i read in yahoo news that ak47s were going to be legal now. is that true?

Was there a point in there? :confused:

It was already legal to buy AK47's......as far as I know.

Nothing is giong to change with the ban running out. All the ban did was make the exsting guns more expensive....good for gun shop owners I guess.

ALEXIS_DH · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
Was there a point in there?

It was already legal to buy AK47's......as far as I know.

Nothing is giong to change with the ban running out. All the ban did was make the exsting guns more expensive....good for gun shop owners I guess.

point is that not necesarilly all the rights in a 200 year old constitution apply to the same degree today, in the full extension they were made initially. as an example the slaves thing, or the higher value of the right of males over females, etc, etc.

like the own guns thing is okay, since its already too widespread, but given current situation, at least a lower cap on firepower or rate of fire would be nice IMHO.

i mean, most police depts were actually in favor of the ban, and after all they are the people who will more likely face that fire.

interesting is that conservatives are more willing to loose other rights, before they loose an almost useless right to own whatever gun they want.
which I think is backed by the gun industry not willing to lose its biggest, and probably one of the last gun markets it has in the world; rather than to protect the rights of a few militia guys who to have the baddest-ass guns available at walmart with no wait-time.

i think it has to do more with that, than with the protection of rights and stuff.

ALEXIS_DH · Sep 13, 2004

Plus, with the US being one of the places where you can get guns the easiest, with virtually no limit on number.

how many of those guns do you think will end up in the black market, and being sold and used by terrorists everywhere, from the farc to maybe the middle east??

think about that.
think about what the availability of military grade cartridges, ammo, and 30 bullet clips, etc, etc, and what would that mean for the international gun black market. the most profitable business in the world among with drugs and soccer.

Tenchiro · Sep 13, 2004

No big deal, all this bill did was raise prices on old stockpiles of existing weapons. It isn't like anyone was forced to stop selling these weapons.

Lexx D · Sep 13, 2004

Gotta love a country that I can own a weapon more powerful than most police departments but i can't smoke a joint. :thumb:

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

ALEXIS_DH said:
point is that not necesarilly all the rights in a 200 year old constitution apply to the same degree today, in the full extension they were made initially. as an example the slaves thing, or the higher value of the right of males over females, etc, etc.

like the own guns thing is okay, since its already too widespread, but given current situation, at least a lower cap on firepower or rate of fire would be nice IMHO.

i mean, most police depts were actually in favor of the ban, and after all they are the people who will more likely face that fire.

interesting is that conservatives are more willing to loose other rights, before they loose an almost useless right to own whatever gun they want.
which I think is backed by the gun industry not willing to lose its biggest, and probably one of the last gun markets it has in the world; rather than to protect the rights of a few militia guys who to have the baddest-ass guns available at walmart with no wait-time.

i think it has to do more with that, than with the protection of rights and stuff.

Well I forget where in the constitution or bill of rights it said thou shall own atleast one black man, or women shall not vote......

The ban was not effective. The idea was all warm and fuzzy but the law itself is rather ineffective. People who want those guns could get them.

If you REALLY want to protect police take away all the semi-auto pistols. Not stop new ones from being sold but take them out of existence. Pistols are what police face everyday. They are easy to conceal, and are very dangerous in close quarters. The US would get semi-auto pistol from outside the country....if we wanted them bad enough. Acually, the Local (Seattle, WA) and surrounding areas police spokemen weren't to worried about it.....

You can't take the pre-ban off the street...they are there and available. So what have you (you as in us and the ban) accomplished? Nothing. You simply made the existing guns more expensive and less legit to track.

The ban sounds good to those who couldn't care less about results.....it was just good politics.

ALEXIS_DH · Sep 13, 2004

Tenchiro said:
No big deal, all this bill did was raise prices on old stockpiles of existing weapons. It isn't like anyone was forced to stop selling these weapons.

no big deal??
think about what the new availability and low price on uzis, and 30 bullet clips will mean for the black market.

think about foreign people like me, who can go to the US for a weekend to buy ak47s and uzis (because back home its very hard and extremely expensive in the black market), dissasemble them, and smuggling them out of the US with nobody sayin crap about it.

think about what the new prices and availabity mean for the black market in the US and in the world.

realistically, what % of all the uzis and ak47 do you think end up in the hands of "law abiding citizens" and how many end up in guerrillas and high profile criminals.

do you truly think the main marketing group for those guns are a few middle-class US-ers????????
do lockheed-martin catters to aeromodelists when selling their stealth fighters??

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

Tenchiro said:
No big deal, all this bill did was raise prices on old stockpiles of existing weapons. It isn't like anyone was forced to stop selling these weapons.

Yep. Well there are ways around it too...... I shot a brand new AK47 just over a week ago.

It was less than a month old and was BRAND new....I think he said it was from Bulgaria or something.

Slugman · Sep 13, 2004

If you're an expert shot, why do you need so many extra rounds? Unless you just enjoy killing people....

ALEXIS_DH · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
Yep. Well there are ways around it too...... I shot a brand new AK47 just over a week ago. It was less than a month old and was BRAND new....I think he said it was from Bulgaria or something.

yup, think about this. If I want an ak47 here in peru, it would cost me a crapload of money in the black market. same in most parts of the world.

can i get?? yeah, given enough cash.

now think abuot this. there is a place in the world where ak47s, uzis, 30round clips, and military grade equipment is ready and available in lots of places. lots of offer, prices go down.

what do you think is gonna happen in the black market everywhere in the world'???

maybe in 5 years i will get a bulgarian made, US imported ak47 in colombia for the farc, or in afghanistan for 1/3 of what it costs now. and guess what happens when prices go down in scarce commodities like guns.
everyone will buy them!!!!!!
think what would happen if coke was legal, and because of this, the price went down to 20 bucks an ounce. do you how many more people would buy it????

think about the cost lifting that ban will put on the worlds safety, and the black market, for the sake of a few gun-nuts who want ak47s to shoot cans.

is it fair???

dude, i´ll fly tomorrow to the US, buy a few ak47s, dissamble them, and ship them in little bits in separate couriers to peru, and make a 1000% profit! godammit!

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

ALEXIS_DH said:
no big deal??
think about what the new availability and low price on uzis, and 30 bullet clips will mean for the black market.

think about foreign people like me, who can go to the US for a weekend to buy ak47s and uzis (because back home its very hard and extremely expensive in the black market), dissasemble them, and smuggling them out of the US with nobody sayin crap about it.

think about what the new prices and availabity mean for the black market in the US and in the world.

realistically, what % of all the uzis and ak47 do you think end up in the hands of "law abiding citizens" and how many end up in guerrillas and high profile criminals.

do you truly think the main marketing group for those guns are a few middle-class US-ers????????
do lockheed-martin catters to aeromodelists when selling their stealth fighters??

Yeah Tenchiro :angry:, think about the black market dealers. They have families to support.

How is a crooked black market dealer supposed to make a living? Freaking US and there dropping of the ban! :mumble:

ALEXIS_DH, jsut making light of your post. Nothing personal.

On a related more serious comment. What stopped gorrillas from purchasing AK47 from Bulgaria where the one I shot recently came from?

I think pistols are a larger menace to US society than rifles.

Slugman · Sep 13, 2004

ALEXIS_DH said:
no big deal??
think about what the new availability and low price on uzis, and 30 bullet clips will mean for the black market.

Your argument is pretty flawed...

Since they are now legally availible it makes them controlled by the laws that govern all guns... and removes some of those guns from the black market.

ALEXIS_DH said:
think about foreign people like me, who can go to the US for a weekend to buy ak47s and uzis (because back home its very hard and extremely expensive in the black market), dissasemble them, and smuggling them out of the US with nobody sayin crap about it.

It would be easier for you to go to columbia and get one... having them banned in the US did NOT affect the global demand and usage.

ALEXIS_DH said:
realistically, what % of all the uzis and ak47 do you think end up in the hands of "law abiding citizens" and how many end up in guerrillas and high profile criminals.

So keeping them illegal resolves this how?

jdcamb · Sep 13, 2004

Waited in line at Walmart all morning to get mine. Don't you know they ran out of them 2 folks in front of me :mad:

. Well they said they would be getting more by the end of the week. I guess we are going to just have to postpone the running gun battle in the streets until then. Damn I was so looking forward to taking a couple of mother****ers out..... Oh yeah does anybody know of a clocktower near Rochester NY that I can get access to? I would be willing to drive atleast an hour for one......

Lexx D · Sep 13, 2004

Slugman said:
If you're an expert shot, why do you need so many extra rounds? Unless you just enjoy killing people....

I've asked that similar question multiple times. The best answer anyone could give me was killing prairie dogs. :think:

I personally didn't know that the prairie dog epidemic had gotten so bad that rednecks needed more effective killing machine. :confused:

ALEXIS_DH · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
ALEXIS_DH, jsut making light of your post. Nothing personal.

On a related more serious comment. What stopped gorrillas from purchasing AK47 from Bulgaria where the one I shot recently came from?

I think pistols are a larger menace to US society than rifles.

yeah, that was my point. they are easier to get in the US than in bulgaria probably.

since they are easier to get in the US, they can be bought cheaper.

you see, buying that kind of guns internationally usually is a huge paperwork, goverments need to sign stuff and crap.
but if they are sold to the US, where laws for those guns are not as strict,
and there is no need for the gvmt to back up the purchasing, like is everywhere else, there is no need to bribe gvmt people into.

you just get them from the dealer, like any US-er, as legal as it can be.
that makes things a crapload easier for the black-market. so indirectly that law does not affect only the US, but the world overall.

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

ALEXIS_DH said:
yup, think about this. If I want an ak47 here in peru, it would cost me a crapload of money in the black market. same in most parts of the world.

can i get?? yeah, given enough cash.

now think abuot this. there is a place in the world where ak47s, uzis, 30round clips, and military grade equipment is ready and available in lots of places. lots of offer, prices go down.

what do you think is gonna happen in the black market everywhere in the world'???

maybe in 5 years i will get a bulgarian made, US imported ak47 in colombia for the farc, or in afghanistan for 1/3 of what it costs now. and guess what happens when prices go down in scarce commodities like guns.
everyone will buy them!!!!!!
think what would happen if coke was legal, and because of this, the price went down to 20 bucks an ounce. do you how many more people would buy it????

think about the cost lifting that ban will put on the worlds safety, and the black market, for the sake of a few gun-nuts who want ak47s to shoot cans.

is it fair???

dude, i´ll fly tomorrow to the US, buy a few ak47s, dissamble them, and ship them in little bits in separate couriers to peru, and make a 1000% profit! godammit!

Drama queen.

You didn't need to go black market to get a AK47 during the ban, and you don't now. Many are sold thru private owners.....and gun shows (big swap meets for gun owners) They weren't cheap cheap before the ban they jsut increased that much more with the ban. It isn't like going out and buying a DVD....

You are kinda freaking out here it seams....alot of what if's and not enough time to look at what it really means. The AK47 was available during the ban, after the ban it still is. Nothing changed except the size of a clip you could BUY (Pre ban large clips are still OK to have) so nothing really changed....

If you want a nice new DH bike you might want to sell them down there for 1000% profit.

Just make sure you sell them to nice law abiding Peruvians.

ALEXIS_DH · Sep 13, 2004

Slugman said:
Your argument is pretty flawed...

Since they are now legally availible it makes them controlled by the laws that govern all guns... and removes some of those guns from the black market.

It would be easier for you to go to columbia and get one... having them banned in the US did NOT affect the global demand and usage.

So keeping them illegal resolves this how?

look, when they were illegal, doesnt solve the problem completely, BUT
they were more expensive, right???
so there was a smaller market for them in the black market because of the price.

now that they are available and cheaper, dont you think the black market market for those weapons expand, since now they are cheaper???

where is that argument flawed??

Tenchiro · Sep 13, 2004

A gun is a gun is a gun. Whether it is a hunting rifle, pistol or sub machine gun. All are just as deadly as the next in the right hands and the right situation.

Even if they were all amde illegal tomorrow, it wouldn't stop them from being available to whoever wanted one. Personally I don't want to live in a country where the only people that have guns are the ones that want to do bad things with them.

ALEXIS_DH · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
Drama queen.

You didn't need to go black market to get a AK47 during the ban, and you don't now. Many are sold thru private owners.....and gun shows (big swap meets for gun owners) They weren't cheap cheap before the ban they jsut increased that much more with the ban. It isn't like going out and buying a DVD....

If you want a nice new DH bike you might want to sell them down there for 1000% profit. Just make sure you sell them to nice law abiding Peruvians.

hey, but look outside the US!!!!!!!

of course in the US there is no black market for ak47s because anybody can buy them everywhere.

BUT outside the US, its very hard to get those guns. i mean, probably they cost 30k bucks here.

so now, everywhere in the world, they are very expensive. and terrorists have to pay a lot for them, thus they cannot afford to have that many.

but sudenly, hey! look into the US, you can get them there for 1/5 of what they cost here!!

what do you think that would mean for the INTERNATIONAL terrorism black market??????

that is my point, am not talking about the US black market, since there is no need for it because you can get anything yo want.

BUT overseas, the effect of having one country with ak47s 5 times cheaper and more available than anywhere else, due to the laws in that country. will certainly affect the price on ak47s, making them cheaper and more available to terrorists and criminals everywhere.

or what do you think????

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

Lexx D said:
I've asked that similar question multiple times. The best answer anyone could give me was killing prairie dogs. I personally didn't know that the prairie dog epidemic had gotten so bad that rednecks needed more effective killing machine.

Dude prarie dogs are big time trouble!

(Did someone actually say Prarie dogs?)

Actually with less of their natural predetors around (wolves, etc) they do kind of expand rapidly...growing larger....undermining house foundations and swallowing cattle whole.... :think:

no waite that was Tremors the movie.

While the AK47 I shot was decent at close range it is not a good hunting rifle. It is semi Automatic and fun (for me) to plunk around with for a few minutes. How many people that own AK47 (and the like) legally go and get all "postal"? Probably very few.

The ones that shouldn't have them in the first place (ex cons, etc) probably didn't get it thru the local dealer and no ban short of full removal of new and old weapons, would stop people who shouldn't have them from getting the rifles......

The ban didn't work as the backers hoped. Not suprising, much legislation does fall short of their lofty goals.

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

Slugman said:
If you're an expert shot, why do you need so many extra rounds? Unless you just enjoy killing people....

If that is your arguement, there is no justification for pistols.

*edit* Sorry Tench!

: Wrong short post to quote....I have changed it above. dang nabit! lol I am truely sorry....is scrolled and psoted without seeing if I selected the exact post. Tench needs to....Rhino-> :nuts: <-Tench

Tenchiro · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
If that is your arguement, there is no justification for pistols.

What do you mean?

Slugman · Sep 13, 2004

ALEXIS_DH said:
look, when they were illegal, doesnt solve the problem completely, BUT
they were more expensive, right???
so there was a smaller market for them in the black market because of the price.

now that they are available and cheaper, dont you think the black market market for those weapons expand, since now they are cheaper???

where is that argument flawed??

That price is going to stop someone that really wants one.

I really doubt that the US is the place to get the cheapest 'assault' rifles, especially AK47's (we don't make them)... but that is just my opinion.

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

ALEXIS_DH said:
hey, but look outside the US!!!!!!!

of course in the US there is no black market for ak47s because anybody can buy them everywhere.

BUT outside the US, its very hard to get those guns. i mean, probably they cost 30k bucks here.

Whatever....

Have you really shopped "black market" for them?

so now, everywhere in the world, they are very expensive. and terrorists have to pay a lot for them, thus they cannot afford to have that many.

but sudenly, hey! look into the US, you can get them there for 1/5 of what they cost here!!

what do you think that would mean for the INTERNATIONAL terrorism black market??????

that is my point, am not talking about the US black market, since there is no need for it because you can get anything yo want.

BUT overseas, the effect of having one country with ak47s 5 times cheaper and more available than anywhere else, due to the laws in that country. will certainly affect the price on ak47s, making them cheaper and more available to terrorists and criminals everywhere.

or what do you think????

The AK47 DURING the BAN was like $350 atleast that is what the guy said he paid for the Bulgarian (I think that was what he said) AK47. If they cost $30K USD in Peru than there is no reason that the ban would change ANYTHING with or without. That small difference wouldn't cause a illegal imprter to Peru to bat an eye. :rolleyes:

I somewhat doubt that the $30K number is even close....car or AK47, car, AK47.....

So to put your little heart to rest. The ban changed nothing for anyone wanting to buy an AK47 and shipping it to your country....it cost them a night out at the local steak house....not much more than that.

So no, ALEXIS_DH, the ban will have made NO DIFFERENCE to the illegal export to Peru. Damn Americans and there not $30K AK47's

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

Tenchiro said:
What do you mean?

A pistol only exists to kill poeple, right?

It is not a hunting instrament, can be conceled easily under clothes, is meant as a personal pretection (ie. a people killer)

It is nothing more....especially a semi-auto pistol. Pistol are more exacting people killers than a AK47.

See the pist you were asking about.....I screwed up.

: Sorry. I was trying to quote Slugman. :rolleyes:

Party foul.

Tenchiro · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
A pistol only exists to kill poeple, right?

It is not a hunting instrament, can be conceled easily under clothes, is meant as a personal pretection (ie. a people killer)

It is nothing more....especially a semi-auto pistol. Pistol are more exacting people killers than a AK47.

Yeah, but I never brought pistols up. I think your arguing witht he wrong guy... :monkey:

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

Tenchiro said:
Yeah, but I never brought pistols up. I think your arguing witht he wrong guy...

I know I fugged up the post to quote....sorry about that....I thought I quoted Slugman.

Slugman · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
A pistol only exists to kill poeple, right?

It is not a hunting instrament, can be conceled easily under clothes, is meant as a personal pretection (ie. a people killer)

It is nothing more....especially a semi-auto pistol. Pistol are more exacting people killers than a AK47.

See the pist you were asking about.....I screwed up. : Sorry. I was trying to quote Slugman. Party foul.

All guns are designed to kill... that was not the point.

The point is that I can kill you with 1 well placed shot.

"assualt weopons" are for the sloppy, untrained and sadistic.

Lexx D · Sep 13, 2004

N8 said:
Like most things during the Clinton era, it addressed superfical cosmetic issues designed to fool the American people think that the political ambulance chasing Bill Clinton 'felt their pain.'

well we know we could never get the guns themselves banned since they just "look scary". So we take what we can get, if that means no more 30 round clips then i'll take it. Seeing how I've never needed to take out multiple rodents(lucky for me the prairie dog edidemic hasn't hit my area yet) i still don't see the need for it.

Slugman · Sep 13, 2004

N8 said:
Actually, you are wrong (again)..

Assault weapons are designed to maim.

Actually... it's the assault weapons ROUNDS that are designed to maim. By design the purpose of all guns are to kill.

But I guess that backs up my other statements that you're sadistic if you want these weopons around to MAIM.

N8 said:
Assault weapons are fully automatic weapons that have a rapid rate of fire to pin your oponent into position and keep their heads down.

And how does this main... :eviltongu

N8 said:
The 'assault' weapons bill didn't ban a single assault weapon, it only banned a few scary looking accessories from being sold on otherwise available weapons.

Like most things during the Clinton era, it addressed superfical cosmetic issues designed to fool the American people think that the political ambulance chasing Bill Clinton 'felt their pain.'

So it is a bad thing to try and make people feel safer... well looking at what Bush has done with this nation, I guess you would feel that way.

And by the way - read my other post... I thought the ban was useless and pointless. Way to argue with someone when they had actually agreed with you... pinhead :nuts:

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

Slugman said:
All guns are designed to kill... that was not the point.

The point is that I can kill you with 1 well placed shot.

R ju twet'ting me?

I agree that all guns can kill but hunting rifles are somehow different? Is it the number of bullit a gun cna hold the lack of design for long range deer dropping? Is a gun, a gun, a gun?

"assualt weopons" are for the sloppy, untrained and sadistic.

You state that there was no reason for the assult gun than to kill people. The exact quote (god I hope I grab the right one this time

: )

If you're an expert shot, why do you need so many extra rounds? Unless you just enjoy killing people....

I guess that means that pistols should be outlawed? Maybe just single shot pistols should be allowed? Why do you need multiple rounds in a weapon that can easily be concealed from others, and has no other reason than to kill people? Pistols are designed to kill people...there is no other purpose. There for, if assult rifles are bad because they exist for people who are bad shots and like to kill people....then multi-round pistols should be outlawed also. :think:

they are no different.

Now why do so many people own pistols that have the potential to only kill people yet never use it to do so? (edit: thankfully) It isn't the weapon it is the person who yields the weapon and the ban did nothing to address that issue.

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

Lexx D said:
well we know we could never get the guns themselves banned since they just "look scary". So we take what we can get, if that means no more 30 round clips then i'll take it. Seeing how I've never needed to take out multiple rodents(lucky for me the prairie dog edidemic hasn't hit my area yet) i still don't see the need for it.

So the lack of your understanding is the basis for your objection to the subject?

Sorry I couldn't resist.

What is the difference between 10 and 30 round clip (aside from 20 bullits

) Does that make the gun more dangerous? There is nothing stoping some one last week (during the ban) from owning and using a 30 round mag made pre ban and there is now nothing illegal from one owning one now.

The ban was worthless in accomplishing anything remotely like what they convinced the public it would do. "Bad guys" still had them, and could get them with little effort.

Slugman · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
Are ju twet'ting me?

Not at all... what was your address again? :evil:

RhinofromWA said:
I guess that means that pistols should be outlawed? Maybe just single shot pistols should be allowed? Why do you need multiple rounds in a weapon that can easily be concealed from others, and has no other reason than to kill people? Pistols are designed to kill people...there is no other purpose. There for, if assult rifles are bad because they exist for people who are bad shots and like to kill people....then multi-round pistols should be outlawed also. they are no different.

I'm all for a nice 10 - 15 round clip (I don't even know what is the norm lately), although personally a good old 6 shot .38 revolver should suffice for most situations. You need more than 1 shot for multiple attackers and for missed shots. Even well trained experts can panic and miss on the first shot.

I think an ak47 with a 30 round clip is excessive... and a far stretch from a .38 or even a 9mm.

RhinofromWA said:
Now why do so many people own pistols that have the potential to only kill people yet never use it to do so? (edit: thankfully) It isn't the weapon it is the person who yields the weapon and the ban did nothing to address that issue.

I agree fully!

Lexx D · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
The ban was worthless in accomplishing anything remotely like what they convinced the public it would do. "Bad guys" still had them, and could get them with little effort.

Yes just as the guns are pointless so was the law.

RhinofromWA · Sep 13, 2004

Lexx D said:
Yes just as the guns are pointless so was the law.

I guess people saw the guns more worthy than the law.

The law was a feel good law and it was proved to lack the ability to effect any real change other than make people who already owned the guns a little richer.

Looks like the guns had more legitimacy than the law......

Lexx D · Sep 13, 2004

RhinofromWA said:
Looks like the guns had more legitimacy than the law......

Since all the guns are for is prairie dogs and to help rednecks feel better about the size of their wang then no.
In all of these assault weapons threads I'm yet to see anyone post an actual use other than death to small animals.

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