[RhinofromWA]

Not at all... what was your address again? :evil:

Pennsylvania Ave, DC......don't mind the guys in the dark suits.

I'm all for a nice 10 - 15 round clip (I don't even know what is the norm lately), although personally a good old 6 shot .38 revolver should suffice for most situations. You need more than 1 shot for multiple attackers and for missed shots. Even well trained experts can panic and miss on the first shot.

I think an ak47 with a 30 round clip is excessive

But it looks hella cool

... and a far stretch from a .38 or even a 9mm.

I can only guess but I think if you asked if an officer was affraid of an assult rifle or the concealed pistol on someone, I think the pistol would be more dangerous.

I agree fully!

I feal all warm and fuzzy....neaky: Knock it off!

 

[RhinofromWA]

Since all the guns are for is prairie dogs and to help rednecks feel better about the size of their wang then no.
In all of these assault weapons threads I'm yet to see anyone post an actual use other than death to small animals.

Dude untill you have faced a Prairie dog square in the eyes, don't assume anything. Dem varmits are fast and would as soon as gnaw your nut sack off than look at you...

...dem are evil beasties. Born EVIL I say!

j/k

I haven't heard the prarie dog bit before...don't doubt it though. lol

I think the ban was passed by like minded people who needed to feel better about their wang size...to put it crudely.

 

[Jesus]

In all of these assault weapons threads I'm yet to see anyone post an actual use other than death to small animals.

I have a gun for killing. My wife has a gun for killing. Not hunting, or maiming, or to compensate for my "wang" size. If I have to use it I plan on killing with it. It is always on me, and no one ever knows. Self-preservation is my goal.

I personally don't find the need for an automatic machine gun, but I am a good shot.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Whatever.... Have you really shopped "black market" for them?
The AK47 DURING the BAN was like $350 atleast that is what the guy said he paid for the Bulgarian (I think that was what he said) AK47. If they cost $30K USD in Peru than there is no reason that the ban would change ANYTHING with or without. That small difference wouldn't cause a illegal imprter to Peru to bat an eye.

I somewhat doubt that the $30K number is even close....car or AK47, car, AK47.....

So to put your little heart to rest. The ban changed nothing for anyone wanting to buy an AK47 and shipping it to your country....it cost them a night out at the local steak house....not much more than that.

So no, ALEXIS_DH, the ban will have made NO DIFFERENCE to the illegal export to Peru. Damn Americans and there not $30K AK47's

well i remember some reports on tv and papers, and auto weapons are veeeeeeery expensive in south america. expensive enough that the price is a issue and not like "I want it, so ill pay it".
army grade guns are flat-out ilegal around here. like if the police finds them in your house, you automatically get 25 years to life, as its considered among the worst possible crimes to own war-weapons. (national betrayal or something is the legal term here)

i remember that fully-autos submachine guns were being sold to the colombian guerilla for 9k each from peru, one 1 dealer in the middle. there was a big deal about it here, because a guy got extremely rich. think how much would the price goes up when there are more than 3 middlemen.

but now, there is no need to use a gvmt as a face to get those guns, just freely available ammo and stuff in the US, and almost unlimeted availabity and supply.

20-fold prices are nothing uncommon in illegal stuff. (think coke, 80 bucks a gram in the US, 3-4 bucks in colombia or peru).

even in regular markets the final retail price is usually 6-7 fold of the FOB price.

and who buys those high powered guns?? well GUERILLAS and drug cartels, they are too expensive to end up in common criminals.

and lifting the ban will sure have an effect on the black market. prices will go down, and availability rises. and colombia, sierra leon, and every country with a sizable guerrilla will notice.

 

[Slugman]

Pennsylvania Ave, DC......don't mind the guys in the dark suits.

You have nothing to fear... I've seen pictures, I don't have a gun big enough to take you out....

I can only guess but I think if you asked if an officer was affraid of an assult rifle or the concealed pistol on someone, I think the pistol would be more dangerous.

But is that because of the frequency that a handgun is used or the lethality of it (sorry N8... the Maiming ability of it since AK47's are not lethal )?

I feal all warm and fuzzy....

There are treatments for that

 

[RhinofromWA]

well i remember some reports on tv and papers, and auto weapons are veeeeeeery expensive in south america. expensive enough that the price is a issue and not like "I want it, so ill pay it".
army grade guns are flat-out ilegal around here. like if the police finds them in your house, you automatically get 25 years to life, as its considered among the worst possible crimes to own war-weapons. (national betrayal or something is the legal term here)

then the only ones who will have them will be the serious bad guys.....I guess.

i remember that fully-autos submachine guns were being sold to the colombian guerilla for 9k each from peru, one 1 dealer in the middle. there was a big deal about it here, because a guy got extremely rich. think how much would the price goes up when there are more than 3 middlemen.

but now, there is no need to use a gvmt as a face to get those guns, just freely available ammo and stuff in the US, and almost unlimeted availabity and supply.

20-fold prices are nothing uncommon in illegal stuff. (think coke, 80 bucks a gram in the US, 3-4 bucks in colombia or peru).

even in regular markets the final retail price is usually 6-7 fold of the FOB price.

and who buys those high powered guns?? well GUERILLAS and drug cartels, they are too expensive to end up in common criminals.

and lifting the ban will sure have an effect on the black market. prices will go down, and availability rises. and colombia, sierra leon, and every country with a sizable guerrilla will notice.

There was never a big obsticle to get the AK47 during the ban...it was still sold. There was nothing to stop Joe (Jose) Blow from coming up here during the ban and get cheap rifles ready to go....

I wager that the majority of the guns your GUERILLAS are buying didn't come from Walmart or the corner gun shop.

Nothing has changed with letting the ban lapse.....nothing. Yet people still piss, moan, and complain....

I think you are sensationalizing a non-issue with this ban lapsing other than a few rednecks can have their toys.

 

[RhinofromWA]

You have nothing to fear... I've seen pictures, I don't have a gun big enough to take you out....

well thanks to the ban lifting you can!

But is that because of the frequency that a handgun is used or the lethality of it (sorry N8... the Maiming ability of it since AK47's are not lethal )?

Some thoughts on that....

1-price....I hear guns that have killed people can be bought real cheap.
2-accessabillty....I know more people that have pistols than rifles. That might change in different parts of the country.
3-compact size....they can be hidden stuffed anywhere so you can't see it until it is to late. It is harder to hide an AK47 (any rifle) Stick a pistol in the glove box, under the seat, in your pants, etc.....not so easy with an AK47.
4-distance used....tend to use a pistol in close quarters, correct? Being suprised at close range sounds pretty scary to me.
I am sure there are other reasons...but people that are the problem ones carry hand guns, not rifles. That would seem to make that an issue more so than the assult guns to police.

But whatever gets them elected to state office.

There are treatments for that

You would know. I got it from you....."warm and fuzzy," that is...

 

[TheMontashu]

Its not about weather we need assault rifles or not. It’s about the anti gun lobby wanting to ban one gun at a time till there all gone. That’s about 10 steps back for them thank god. O and the Supreme Court have said assault weapon is indefinable.