[jaydee]

I guess now that your Christian Crusader has just about won the election, the selective service letters should hit the mailboxes tomorrow. I don't know whether to feel sorry for you guys or just shake my head. Oh well, it's not my problem until Dubya wants to save some cash and starts looking for a target with a shorter commute.

 

[JRogers]

If you really think those letters will come in the next, say, 50 years, you are mistaken. Am I the only one that remembers Vietnam?

 

[DHanamal]

Enacting a draft with Selective Service would be political suicide. So instead, the great Congresspeople of the USA have to create a loophole, and a different kind of draft. One of these is the “Stop Loss Program,” a scheme to force soldiers to remain in the service after their contractual obligation has been fulfilled. So basically GIs who served their time, are getting pulled back in.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Last I heard it was a DEMOCRATIC senator who was pushing a Draft Bill through...

 

[BurlyShirley]

Last I heard it was a DEMOCRATIC senator who was pushing a Draft Bill through...

Charlie Rangel. That guy is an idiot too. He always gets his balls handed back to him by Sean Hannity. You'd think he'd learn not to go on there.

 

[jaydee]

Enacting a draft with Selective Service would be political suicide. So instead, the great Congresspeople of the USA have to create a loophole, and a different kind of draft. One of these is the “Stop Loss Program,” a scheme to force soldiers to remain in the service after their contractual obligation has been fulfilled. So basically GIs who served their time, are getting pulled back in.

Ya, it would be political suicide. Dubya seems strangely invulnerable to that, unfortunately. Anyway, genocide is more his style.

 

[quadricolour]

A. Do you have a room to rent?

and

B. Do you take American dollars?

 

[mplutodh1]

Would you all smack your heads against the nearest solid object and wake up. I am so sick of hearing the arguement that Bush will reenact the draft... IT ISNT GONNA HAPPEN!

Political scare on the part of liberals.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Hey Pluto,

where the hell was WWU at nationals, huh?

 

[Ridemonkey]

Enacting a draft with Selective Service would be political suicide. So instead, the great Congresspeople of the USA have to create a loophole, and a different kind of draft. One of these is the “Stop Loss Program,” a scheme to force soldiers to remain in the service after their contractual obligation has been fulfilled. So basically GIs who served their time, are getting pulled back in.

He's got his second term locked, a third is not an option, so what difference does it make? Might as well roll out the nukes.

 

[Silver]

Would you all smack your heads against the nearest solid object and wake up. I am so sick of hearing the arguement that Bush will reenact the draft... IT ISNT GONNA HAPPEN!

Political scare on the part of liberals.

Go look at the way Bush used to talk before he was elected President. Then look at the what he's done with regards to changing the reason for invading Iraq, or the changing rationale for tax cuts.

You think it's a coincidence that many people don't believe the President?

 

[mplutodh1]

Hey Pluto,

where the hell was WWU at nationals, huh?

Without the $$ to come our budget stinks, this year we managed to get a fairly good sized amount from the state but with a combined road and mountain team over 50+ riders racing almost every weekend from March through the summer months, we just didn't have the money to send riders, nor a very strong group to send. We decided to wait until 2005 to hopefully attend rather then dip into the Campus Recreation "uh oh we dont have money" fund. If we had asked for that money this year we wouldn't get it next year and we really would have only had 4 or 5 riders to send this year.

Hopefully something will be a bit closer to us, cross country travel costs way too friggin much for college students.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Without the $$ to come our budget stinks, this year we managed to get a fairly good sized amount from the state but with a combined road and mountain team over 50+ riders racing almost every weekend from March through the summer months, we just didn't have the money to send riders, nor a very strong group to send. We decided to wait until 2005 to hopefully attend rather then dip into the Campus Recreation "uh oh we dont have money" fund. If we had asked for that money this year we wouldn't get it next year and we really would have only had 4 or 5 riders to send this year.

Hopefully something will be a bit closer to us, cross country travel costs way too friggin much for college students.

Not to derail completely,

But word on the street is that it will be back at the same place for next year. Only a 7 hour drive for me. I was looking for you guys out there, but never did see you all. Next year though...

 

[Lex]

Enacting a draft with Selective Service would be political suicide. So instead, the great Congresspeople of the USA have to create a loophole, and a different kind of draft. One of these is the “Stop Loss Program,” a scheme to force soldiers to remain in the service after their contractual obligation has been fulfilled. So basically GIs who served their time, are getting pulled back in.

I was actually really curious about this whole stop loss thing, and really wish the media had given a better explanation of it. I spoke with a coworker who was in the army and he told me that the people being pulled into service under the stop loss order have not finished their service with the US military. The standard length of service is 8 years and some people opt to serve thier last few years in the ready reserves. While in that position they can be called up at any time just like any other reserve troops. So, if he is correct, these guys are not being forced into service. They are simply finishing their agreed upon service time.

 

[kidwoo]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/164693_draft13.html


Nonetheless, the agency has begun the process of creating the procedures and policies to conduct such a targeted draft in case military officials ask Congress to authorize it and the lawmakers agree to such a request.

 

[manimal]

you guys might want to research this crap before you go whining about it. an enlistment in the military is for 8 years. it can be anywhere from 2-5 years of active service and the remainder of the 8 years is considered inactive service. it's in your contract when you sign up, it IS explained fully. the stop loss is just "activating" the full length of the contract. all you pu$$ies are so worried about actually having to pay your dues, get over it....i'm sure there are plenty of willing citizens that will gladly take your place so that you can go on living your happy little lives of blissful ignorance.
you make me sick. :angry:

 

[bpatterson6]

Go look at the way Bush used to talk before he was elected President. Then look at the what he's done with regards to changing the reason for invading Iraq, or the changing rationale for tax cuts.

You think it's a coincidence that many people don't believe the President?

Evidently, 51% of the Voters do believe him. Had they not, Kerry would have been elected. ID10T. Thank God you cant Vote. Yet God Help Us.

 

[Tenchiro]

Until the Electors cast their votes in December he technically has not been re-elected (yet). They will probably play it safe until then...

 

[Silver]

all you pu$$ies are so worried about actually having to pay your dues, get over it....i'm sure there are plenty of willing citizens that will gladly take your place so that you can go on living your happy little lives of blissful ignorance.
you make me sick. :angry:

I've said before, I'll pick up a gun when the North Koreans are off the coast of San Diego.

 

[Silver]

Evidently, 51% of the Voters do believe him. Had they not, Kerry would have been elected. ID10T. Thank God you cant Vote. Yet God Help Us.

Americans believe a lot of crazy stuff. If you think tenacity of uninformed belief is a good thing, I have some land to sell you in a Wahhabist hotbed.

 

[bpatterson6]

Until the Electors cast their votes in December he technically has not been re-elected (yet). They will probably play it safe until then...

Technically, Kerry Conceded. Election Over.

 

[bpatterson6]

Americans believe a lot of crazy stuff. If you think tenacity of uninformed belief is a good thing, I have some land to sell you in a Wahhabist hotbed.

I forget what it's like to be a Teenager and know everything...
You'll learn eventually too.
Must be nice. :eviltongu

 

[Silver]

Technically, Kerry Conceded. Election Over.

Not technically, you're wrong and Tenchiro is correct. You don't actually elect the President, you realize.

The Electors do. Are they going to vote for Kerry instead of Bush? No, but that still doesn't make you right.

 

[bpatterson6]

Not technically, you're wrong and Tenchiro is correct. You don't actually elect the President, you realize.

The Electors do. Are they going to vote for Kerry instead of Bush? No, but that still doesn't make you right.

Bush - 274
Kerry - 252

Kerry Wont get the Electoral College Votes he needs because Bush Won those States.
John Kerry can acknowledge he lost. You should too.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Bush - 274
Kerry - 252

Kerry Wont get the Electoral College Votes he needs because Bush Won those States.
John Kerry can acknowledge he lost. You should too.

Don't try to interject reality in the the fantasy world Silver lives in...

 

[Silver]

Bush - 274
Kerry - 252

Kerry Wont get the Electoral College Votes he needs because Bush Won those States.
John Kerry can acknowledge he lost. You should too.

Before you call people stupid, you should know a little bit about what you are talking about.

Have the Electors voted yet? Go back and read Tenchiro's post. You should have paid more attention in civics class.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Before you call people stupid, you should know a little bit about what you are talking about.

Have the Electors voted yet? Go back and read Tenchiro's post. You should have paid more attention in civics class.

Yeah! And there is still a chance that Kerry could win! Somehow.... maybe... it can't be over...

Nooooooooooooooooooo!

 

[Silver]

Yeah! And there is still a chance that Kerry could win! Somehow.... maybe... it can't be over...

Nooooooooooooooooooo!

Are you as dumb as he is? I'm not hoping that Kerry will win. I'm merely pointing out that he's ignorant with regards to Tenchiro's post.

 

[Tenchiro]

Bush - 274
Kerry - 252

Kerry Wont get the Electoral College Votes he needs because Bush Won those States.
John Kerry can acknowledge he lost. You should too.

But what could happen is if Bush did something crazy before then, such as enact a draft. Electors who would cast a vote for Bush, could shed them for say McCain or another republican. If say 23 of them did so, Kerry would be the new President or in order to prevent that, the rest of the Electors could also follow suit to insure that a Republican keep the office and we could have McCain as the new president for example.

Now, while I am sure this would never happen, it legally could and that is why hte current administration will keep it on the down low unitl after December 13th (I think it is that date).

 

[Chutney]

I forget what it's like to be a Teenager and know everything...
You'll learn eventually too.
Must be nice. :eviltongu

I cant wait to know what its like to be an old timer set in my ways

cmon now, lets not write off anyones opinion just based on their age group.

Bush - 274
Kerry - 252

Kerry Wont get the Electoral College Votes he needs because Bush Won those States.
John Kerry can acknowledge he lost. You should too.

I also urge you to go re-read tenchiros post - Not for content, but look for that little guy winking at you at the end.

I kinda doubt he is still holding out hope.

edit: damn this political forum moves fast.

 

[flow]

Oh well, it's not my problem until Dubya wants to save some cash and starts looking for a target with a shorter commute.

You never know. The US wants our fresh water pretty badly.

 

[Chutney]

Heres my take on the whole draft thing:

I dont think the Bush administration has been secretly planning anything, but I do see the potential for a draft down the road. I read some articles a while back (I just searched for them and came up blank) that quoted high ranking military officials indicating that they were running out of man power. Couple this with the fact that deaths in Iraq are on the rise, world political, ideological and religious rifts are growing day by day and you have a scary senario indeed.

Jonathan - now branded bleeding heart liberal for life

 

[bpatterson6]

But what could happen is if Bush did something crazy before then, such as enact a draft. Electors who would cast a vote for Bush, could shed them for say McCain or another republican. If say 23 of them did so, Kerry would be the new President or in order to prevent that, the rest of the Electors could also follow suit to insure that a Republican keep the office and we could have McCain as the new president for example.

Now, while I am sure this would never happen, it legally could and that is why hte current administration will keep it on the down low unitl after December 13th (I think it is that date).

Ok...If ANYONE EVER reenacted the draft. They deserve political suicide.
Don't get me wrong.
But I don't believe IMO that it will ever happen.
And until it does, this is a moot point. Right??

 

[bpatterson6]

Before you call people stupid, you should know a little bit about what you are talking about.

Have the Electors voted yet? Go back and read Tenchiro's post. You should have paid more attention in civics class.

This reminds me of this...

 

[N8 v2.0]

Ok...If ANYONE EVER reenacted the draft. They deserve political suicide.
Don't get me wrong.
But I don't believe IMO that it will ever happen.
And until it does, this is a moot point. Right??

Oh I don't know... if the world was in a war like WWII then the draft would have to be reinstated.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Quit whining about the draft.

If this country needs you, you'd better help out. Bush was elected fair and square (cant argue this time) so what he does is what the American people voted for. You are obligated as citizens to defend those interests. If you dont like it, sit in jail. Period.

 

[Silver]

And until it does, this is a moot point. Right??

Nope.

I hate to beat you over the head with this, but this is a possibility. Remote, not likely, but possible. It's always been possible.

http://www.issues2000.org/askme/Faithless_Electors.htm

Now, be nice and apologize to Tenchiro, would you?

 

[N8 v2.0]

Nope.

I hate to beat you over the head with this, but this is a possibility. Remote, not likely, but possible. It's always been possible.

http://www.fakeisues.orgy

Now, be nice and apologize to Tenchiro, would you?

There's a far greater chance that you will see God in your living room, but yeah, there's a "possibility"...

 

[Silver]

There's a far greater chance that you will see God in your living room, but yeah, there's a "possibility"...

That's not the issue.

The issue is an ignoramus coming on here and missing the point completely, while responding to Tenchiro's post without any facts and asserting he's completely correct.

 

[bpatterson6]

Now, be nice and apologize to Tenchiro, would you?...

Oh...Gosh...I'm sorry.