[James]

You act like there's something wrong with the owner of that bike only being interested in XC race-style riding... How is that somehow not the same level of lameness as all the kids that swing from Sam Hill's nuts and don't even own a bike that can be pedaled on flat ground?

Except for the Tune saddle all of the stuff on that bike is perfectly fine for xc racing, even on gasp technical trails.

Mountainbiking is broader than your personal definition, and people don't have to see eye to eye on bikes, trails, or riding partners...

I blame the media

The voice of reason, thank you!
It's not what you ride, it's whether you ride.
My collection runs from super XC-Weenie hardtail/duallies, to trail bikes, to longer-travel stuff. They're all fun to ride in their own way.

Plus some people get a kick out of building up bikes for fun, "how light can I make it?" Etc. My old coworker and I used to get in "wars" with out bikes when we worked at the same company, he was always claiming lighter, but I rode a size L, and he had an XL, so he was full of s***!

And that guy with the custom-painted Foes? He's one of the reasons that Foes can be in business to makes bikes at all. If he's got the money, I have no problem with him buying a fleet of custom Foes bikes, and I'll bet that the shop he bought it from doesn't either.

 

[Zark]

The DH/Freeride craze has really obscured what a mountain bike/was to the younger generations. That carbon feather is an XC race machine that is more than capable of hitting up the trails. It is more of a MTB than a purpose bred DH machine, at least it can still climb something steeper than a driveway without cardiac arrest.

Is this bike my cup o' tea? Not really, but the trails here are too steep and rocky to be really fun on a bike like this. If I lived somewhere with buffed singletrack, like Oregon, I'd ride that in a heartbeat.

 

[jdcamb]

If it has 2 wheels.. and it pedals..
















:biggrin:

 

[ito]

Obviously you have not ridden with ito.

Are you calling my Karate Monkey an overgrown BMX bike? It takes offense to that. lthumbsdown:

haha!

 

[James]

Is this bike my cup o' tea? Not really, but the trails here are too steep and rocky to be really fun on a bike like this. If I lived somewhere with buffed singletrack, like Oregon, I'd ride that in a heartbeat.

No, this is your cup of tea:

 

[Serial Midget]

No, this is your cup of tea:

I pimped a white Y-22 for years.

 

[N8 v2.0]

The most skilled rider I have ever met continues to ride a 1989 Bridgestone full rigid. He is in his mid 50s and has no interest getting a a more "modern" mountain bike. He doesn't soak up rock gardens with plushness & speed. He masters them with experience, skill and 1.2" tires.

Mr Clean???

 

[HAB]

Why would you have a carbon frame and put bar ends on it? Heck...they could save more weight by putting a Thompson post on and a lighter stem with a carbon bar and getting rid of the bash guard.

idiots...

You're an idiot. The name of that post eludes me, but it's lighter than a Thomson. And how can you tell that it's not a carbon bar?

 

[SK6]

i could break it in 10 minutes.

Dude, don't underestimate yourself....I say 5 minutes...

 

[Zark]

No, this is your cup of tea:

Ha! The grim-creaker!
That bike getting stolen was the best thing that ever happened

 

[rogue22]

just for the record I'm not "hating" on xc, or having a lightweight bike. I tend to think that when you start sacrificing strength for astronomical costs and flashy carbon parts thats a little rediculous.

I am involved in my local club, and have been building trails around here for 10 years (and at 22 years of age, that means I started at 12 gasp!) I'm the service manager at a local shop and encourage people to ride whatever they want.

I started on a steel hardtail with an elastomer fork and 7sp gripshift that I rode untill earlier this year and then converted to a 1x9 race xc bike - at 25 lbs without spending a dime and using old parts. I also have a barracuda a2f made into a fully rigid single speed. I ride xc, am, fr, dh, 4x, street, park, and road! Currently I have i think 10 bikes that are rideable? So wouldn't you say I have a little broader idea of what mountain biking is?

Maybe the title was bad, really I meant that I don't see the point in spending hundreds for a carbon saddle, breaking it right away and ordering another right away because you want people to see that you have a carbon saddle on your 15 lb xc bike. And I was curious to see what you monkeys thought, and I know that I wouldn't get anything but "xc is gay!" on any other site.

And I'm not hating any of the old guard, huge respect to any guys out there still klunking, I know I owe everything we have to those pioneers. Gary fisher was one of them, does he refuse to consider anything other than old school xc mountain biking? No, these guys do- thats what I have a problem with.

 

[mtbmovies.com]

it definitely has a unique look

 

[UNHrider]

looks pretty sick to me. Im guessing hes going with a 1x9 setup which would make sense with Ohio's rolling terrain.

Im pretty sure that frame would hold up on most rugged trails. would it be the most comfortable ride, probably not. But i doubt it would be much worse then any other hardtail.

I wouldnt hesitate to ride that anywhere but on a DH trail.

 

[N8 v2.0]

i really dont see why the bike builder put a Sid fork on there... a carbon fiber rigid Pace fork would have be way cooler

 

[SPINTECK]

All you net guys on a networking site and the stupid biologist had to come up with this logical answer. Yes per wiki, i'd make a checklist to be a smart arse, but you get the idea

Meets Wiki Criteria:

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A cross country mountain bike race
A hardtail mountain bikeA mountain bike or mountain bicycle (abbreviated MTB or ATB (All Terrain Bicycle)) is a bicycle designed for mountain biking, either on dirt trails or other unpaved environments. In contrast, road bicycles are not rugged enough for such terrain.

Mountain bikes have wide, knobby tires for extra traction and shock absorption. In recent years, front wheel suspension has become the norm and full front and rear suspension is becoming increasingly common. Some mountain bikes are also fitted with bar ends on the handlebars, but with the increase in popularity of riser handlebars (as opposed to a flat straight handlebar) fewer riders use bar end extensions. The bikes normally have 26 in (559 mm) wheels, but since 2002 some models have been available with 29 in (622 mm) wheels, which is the same diameter most commonly used for road bikes (also know as 700c).[1] (The name given to a rim diameter in inches is different from the rim's actual size.) Mountainbiking may be quite spectacular, as the spreading of freeride mountain-biking movies demostrates]

 

[N8 v2.0]

would have been much cooler with this frame:

 

[James]

just for the record I'm not "hating" on xc, or having a lightweight bike. I tend to think that when you start sacrificing strength for astronomical costs and flashy carbon parts thats a little rediculous.

I am involved in my local club, and have been building trails around here for 10 years (and at 22 years of age, that means I started at 12 gasp!) I'm the service manager at a local shop and encourage people to ride whatever they want.

I started on a steel hardtail with an elastomer fork and 7sp gripshift that I rode untill earlier this year and then converted to a 1x9 race xc bike - at 25 lbs without spending a dime and using old parts. I also have a barracuda a2f made into a fully rigid single speed. I ride xc, am, fr, dh, 4x, street, park, and road! Currently I have i think 10 bikes that are rideable? So wouldn't you say I have a little broader idea of what mountain biking is?

Maybe the title was bad, really I meant that I don't see the point in spending hundreds for a carbon saddle, breaking it right away and ordering another right away because you want people to see that you have a carbon saddle on your 15 lb xc bike. And I was curious to see what you monkeys thought, and I know that I wouldn't get anything but "xc is gay!" on any other site.

And I'm not hating any of the old guard, huge respect to any guys out there still klunking, I know I owe everything we have to those pioneers. Gary fisher was one of them, does he refuse to consider anything other than old school xc mountain biking? No, these guys do- thats what I have a problem with.

How do you know they're not strong? Sure, a heavier alloy post, or bar, etc, would probably be stronger, but if it's strong enough for it's intended use, no worries. I wouldn't ride a 99gm flat bar on a DH bike, but it's perfectly fine on my hardtail.

I don't care how many bikes you have, 10, great, but that doesn't give you the right to say what a mountain bike is over anyone else. A mountain bike is different things to different people.

It sounds like you have a problem with this guy personally. I'm not saying he's not a d!ck, or maybe he's keeping the trails in your area on the more XC side, that's a valid thing to dislike or be mad at him about. But just because he likes to build light bikes with his time, and his money, doesn't make him any less of a mountain biker. That's fine if you don't see the point, it's not your bike.

You say that they don't consider anything but "old-school XC" as mountain biking, but you're not considering his flat-bar XC bike a mountain bike.

I've ridden the same trail near my house, pretty rocky, desert-ish trail on both my 4.2" travel Trance, and my carbon hardtail. I was a lot faster on the hardtail, just a matter of being more comfortable with that bike I think. I've ridden with people on rigid bikes that could drop me no matter what I was riding. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

JJames

P.S. If you think this is bad, 20 minutes spent perusing the Save Some Weight forum on MTBR will come up with much, much worse. There have always been those people who shave their chainrings, or drill out their brake levers, going back to the 70s. It's what helped push parts to become lighter and lighter.

 

[dan wask]

I like riding my bikes. I'm sure he does too. Everyone just needs to ride bikes and be happy.

 

[daisycutter]

pedal force which sells this frame for around 700 dollars. It a good frame made in china or tiwain.

 

[sanjuro]

would have been much cooler with this frame:

Thanks for posting that picture. While it looks fragile, the builder says it's stronger than most carbon frames.