So I'm a big fat jerk right?

Echo · Nov 11, 2005

Well, on the surface it might seem that way. However:

1) When he was in need, his friends helped him out. As long as he would do the same, cool.

2) As long as nobody held a gun to anyone's head while asking for donations, they were voluntary.

N8 v2.0 · Nov 11, 2005

The right thing is for the said rider to at least make an effort to pay back.

Not saying that the donors will want it, but the rider should at least ask.... showing his appreciation for their $'s.

If he doesn't, then the next time some donors will take a pass on helping him out. I know I would.

stevew · Nov 11, 2005

I would think the simple twit would be looking into insuring himself before going on another trip.

DRB · Nov 11, 2005

stevew said:
I would think the simple twit would be looking into insuring himself before going on another trip.

binary visions · Nov 11, 2005

I think "said rider" should have made an effort to pay back hospital bills regardless of whether or not he could afford to travel... and doubly so since he can.

If my friends all took up a collection to bail me out of financial trouble, I would make a sincere effort to try to reimburse them. Which would, of course, involve postponing some plans that would eat up the reimbursement money.

I don't think it makes him a bad person, but it does make him inconsiderate.

douglas · Nov 11, 2005

MMike said:
I have no problem with that.... but listen to this....

Say...just say... HYPOTHETICALLY, a fellow rider crashes really hard and needs hospitalization. Said rider has no insurance, and is stranded in a foreign country. He runs up some pretty crazy hospital bills. Now again, just say, the guys friends rally around and take up donations to help him out. That's nice no?

So say now a couple months pass. All healed up, back on the bike...and now traveling to far off places. My question is, if said rider can afford to travel for extended periods of time, should said rider have accepted money for hospital bills at all? OR if now all of a sudden a finanacial situation had changed, (making travel and leisure more feasible), should said rider be attempting to repay at least some of the donations?

All hypothetical of course...Remember, I'm a big fat jerk for even wondering this.

did he ask for money? if so, did he cry poor?

does he know have insurance?

Echo · Nov 11, 2005

At least he didn't use the charity given to him to buy 40's and drink them in front of the liquor store.

stevew · Nov 11, 2005

Echo said:
At least he didn't use the charity given to him to buy 40's and drink them in front of the liquor store.

Did he survive a hurricane to?

Echo · Nov 11, 2005

You hang around with the allezy crew at all? I'll be up there this weekend.

Brian HCM#1 · Nov 11, 2005

If I knew someone who pulled a stunt like that, I'd tell him he sucks!!!!!

Cooter Brown · Nov 11, 2005

No, I think the donations were just that, a bunch of friends that got together to help a brother out. When they gave, they weren't expecting anything back, like it was a loan or something. They're probably jazzed that he's just back on a bike and hanging out on the trails once again with them.

just my $.02

Brian HCM#1 · Nov 11, 2005

Cooter Brown said:
No, I think the donations were just that, a bunch of friends that got together to help a brother out. When they gave, they weren't expecting anything back, like it was a loan or something. They're probably jazzed that he's just back on a bike and hanging out on the trails once again with them.

just my $.02

I think the point is, if you DIDN'T have the funds to cover your medical expenses, and your Buddy's bailed you out, you have know business jetting off again so soon after crying I'm broke.

laura · Nov 11, 2005

i don't know what i think about that. i know i would pay everyone back as soon as i could, but i'm just like that when it comes to money.

i have a similar situation though. our anthropology dept here has taken in a grad student from new orleans. he lost a lot in the storm. i gave him one of my old bikes to get around with. but then he started hitting me up to get him a hook up with some weed. well our dept. is having a fund raiser for him, to help him out. but i'm not giving any money. because i don't want him to buy weed with my money. maybe i'm a bitch. i shouldn't judge how people want to spend their money, but i'm not contributing.

Snacks · Nov 11, 2005

Echo said:
Well, on the surface it might seem that way. However:

1) When he was in need, his friends helped him out. As long as he would do the same, cool.

2) As long as nobody held a gun to anyone's head while asking for donations, they were voluntary.

Word.

MMike, why do you even care so much? :rolleyes:

Drunken_Ninja · Nov 11, 2005

health insurance in the states can be stupid. moments like this i thank myself for being canadian.

Cooter Brown · Nov 11, 2005

Brian HCM#1 said:
I think the point is, if you DIDN'T have the funds to cover your medical expenses, and your Buddy's bailed you out, you have know business jetting off again so soon after crying I'm broke.

I can see your view if he was in fact asking for it. But if the friends just got together and threw in a little just to help the cause because that's what friends do, then I think all is good.

Kind of depends on the circumstances it was given under.

Snacks · Nov 11, 2005

MMike said:
I don't really. I was just surprised to see someone do that....hypothetically of course.

Do what? Visit family? That is surprising to you?

blt2ride · Nov 11, 2005

MMike said:
I have no problem with that.... but listen to this....

Say...just say... HYPOTHETICALLY, a fellow rider crashes really hard and needs hospitalization. Said rider has no insurance, and is stranded in a foreign country. He runs up some pretty crazy hospital bills. Now again, just say, the guys friends rally around and take up donations to help him out. That's nice no?

So say now a couple months pass. All healed up, back on the bike...and now traveling to far off places. My question is, if said rider can afford to travel for extended periods of time, should said rider have accepted money for hospital bills at all? OR if now all of a sudden a finanacial situation had changed, (making travel and leisure more feasible), should said rider be attempting to repay at least some of the donations?

All hypothetical of course...Remember, I'm a big fat jerk for even wondering this.

Of course he should pay his friends back; that goes without saying. However, there seems to be a bigger problem here--what happens if he gets hurt again? Hypothetically, this guy seems very self-centered to me...

Wumpus · Nov 11, 2005

If I hypothetically gave money to help with medical bills, like maybe to this guy, and he got better, and then he spent his money getting a new bike to ride, I really wouldn't care.

Echo · Nov 11, 2005

So how long should the dude be required to sit around doing nothing until it's ok for him to start living his life again? Is there an instruction manual for this? I mean think of it this way:

Dude racks up 10 grand in medical bills.

Homies do a major solid and come up with 5 grand in donations.

Dude pays the other 5 grand out of pocket. Still costs him everything he has.

So your contention is he's not allowed to have any fun until he comes up with 5 grand to individually pay 500 people 10 bucks each?

Brian HCM#1 · Nov 11, 2005

Echo said:
So your contention is he's not allowed to have any fun until he comes up with 5 grand to individually pay 500 people 10 bucks each?

I guess it would depend on how long it has been between the hospital & his next vacation. If he jetted out on another trip within a few months, that isn't right.

Echo · Nov 11, 2005

Brian HCM#1 said:
I guess it would depend on how long it has been between the hospital & his next vacation. If he jetted out on another trip within a few months, that isn't right.

Sounds like the dude is (hypothetically) sponsored. So if he's healthy and his sponsors want him to do an event, he kinda has to do it, no? Or do you think he should risk losing his career while he saves up 5 grand to give 500 people 10 bucks each?

Echo · Nov 11, 2005

MMike said:
If it had been hypothetically, barely 12 weeks since the hospital episode, and now the hypothetical person was on a trip riding in Asia (let's say)....after having done EXTREMELY well racing the Mammoth National...(whenever that was).. would that affect your opinion?

Well since you are giving out small bits of additional information whenever you need to in order to support your opinion, it makes it quite difficult to continue this discussion

Westy · Nov 11, 2005

MMike is a big fat jerk. But he does ask the questions that need to be asked but most are afraid too.

I would attempt to pay my friends back before spending money on non essential items. I guess it all depends on how the money was raised. If it was people getting together for a fundraiser, random $20donation type things it would be different. But if buddy-A and buddy-B shelled out serious cash I'd make paying them back a priority.

Echo · Nov 11, 2005

Westy said:
I guess it all depends on how the money was raised. If it was people getting together for a fundraiser, random $20donation type things it would be different. But if buddy-A and buddy-B shelled out serious cash I'd make paying them back a priority.

I think that's what I was trying to say :think:

Echo · Nov 11, 2005

Look at it this way. A few years ago, RhinoFromWA jacked himself up bigtime with no insurance. Lots of monkeys threw him a few bones and Freak stepped up bigtime with the raffle. So if Rhino won the lottery, would I expect my $10 back? Hell no. Would Freak expect financial compensation for his efforts? Probably not. Would Rhino hook some people up who helped him out? Most likely. Do I have a point? Nah

Snacks · Nov 11, 2005

MMike said:
Certainly taking the scenic route to gramma's house.......

He has family in HK also.

PsychO!1 · Nov 11, 2005

Personally....

I don't think it's an issue of payback. The donations were given in the name of 'charity'. He was in need, his freinds stepped up.

His travel is irrelevent, regardless of the reason.

The real issue for me is....if he is now spending his money on travel and racing in lue (sp?) of health insurance...he's selfish, and didn't learn a damn thing from the generoristy of his freinds. He's back out there putting himself in the same position, expecting his freinds to bail him out again if something happens.

OGRipper · Nov 11, 2005

Is he paying his own travel expenses or are they being paid by his sponsor(s)?

If he plead poverty and asked for help, he should at least offer to pay back his close friends who ponied up, especially those who don't have a lot of cash to throw around. In that situation most people would not take it back anyway, but you would think the dude would put the $$ towards insurance for when he gets hurt again.

If he didn't really need or ask for the help he should not have accepted it in the first place.

And please, spare us any more of the "hypothetical" charade...

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