[RhinofromWA]

Or as I like to call in Cluster F*ck V2.0

Some 3 million votes came down to a 42 vote split......now the state is fighting with the Rep and Dems on how to do the recounts...wich they have done once already and Rossi(R) came out ahead of Greggiore(SP?)(D).

They are fighting over mysterious ballots that popped up after Greggiore lost narrowly (REALLY close race)

It is a partician delight.....didn't get enough of it in Florida. :angry:

If Greggiore ends up winning after all the contesting is over then that triggers another expensive recount (or another election ) which quite possibbly means we could be in for a ride all over again.

I am tired of this crap.

 

[DRB]

Let them alternate every other day. Now that would be cool.

 

[Skookum]

Let them alternate every other day. Now that would be cool.

Haha. i just want Dixie Lee Ray to come back from the dead and be governer again.

 

[Honeywell]

I'm sick of it as well.

Rossi won on the original count, he won the recount, if Gregiore wins on this second recount I for one will be ticked, and I'm sure many others will be as well. If anything this second recount reversing the original and first recount will raise even more questions of whether she legitmately won the seat or not.

As far as the ballots that have suddenly been found, don't count them! As the Rossi camp said, when you add new ballots to the recount it's not a recount, it's another election.

 

[Skookum]

I am tired of this crap.

I'm sick of it as well.

Waaaaah!

:evil:

i think it's interesting, and the whole process is following the law, i really don't see what's to be upset about. There were new votes that should have counted, because King County dropped the ball, but as i'm sure you know the courts have denied their motion to use them. So from that event, i'd be very suprised if Gregoire won really. Obviously if the margin wasn't so close there wouldn't be such a ruckus about the error.
But really step back for a minute and reflect on the unique and crazy aspect of an election that is so close. i actually revel from the time, since it's unlikely you will be seeing it again in your lifetime. I'd liken it to a basketball game that's gone into 20 overtimes, you just don't run into it.....

 

[valve bouncer]

Rhino mate, just an FYI.....WA actually stands for "Western Australia" not "Washington". If you wanna use "WA" you should write it like this "WA (American state in the north western part of that country)". Just a heads up.

 

[DRB]

As far as the ballots that have suddenly been found, don't count them! As the Rossi camp said, when you add new ballots to the recount it's not a recount, it's another election.

A vote is a vote. If it was lost thru no fault of the voter why should it not be counted. I think its pathetic that ANY candidate would say that you shouldn't count legitimate votes.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Vote for Donelly!

 

[Skookum]

Rhino mate, just an FYI.....WA actually stands for "Western Australia" not "Washington". If you wanna use "WA" you should write it like this "WA (American state in the north western part of that country)". Just a heads up.

That's like the rest of the world and stuff...... it doesn't count.

 

[dwaugh]

A vote is a vote. If it was lost thru no fault of the voter why should it not be counted. I think its pathetic that ANY candidate would say that you shouldn't count legitimate votes.

They are debating whether they are legitimate or not. Thats the problem. Lets just keep who we have currently until the next election.

 

[DRB]

They are debating whether they are legitimate or not. Thats the problem. Lets just keep who we have currently until the next election.

Legitimacy in whether they should be counted or not. It doesn't seem that anyone is saying they are illegimate votes. It appears that absentee votes from folks with names starting with As and Bs were not counted. That is f'ing stupid and folks shouldn't be penalized, especially when it comes to something as important as your vote, because of a mistake.

Let's just go ahead and disinfranchise a few more voters.....

 

[ummbikes]

It would be interesting to see if of the 750+- ballots in question fall along the same 50/49.999999999999 split as the rest of votes cast. I have questions about why these ballots were missed not once, but twice during the initial counting of the votes and the first recout.

Personally, I think Christine Gregoire would make a poor governor, simply because she is so embedded in Olympia politics and Washington needs a boot in the backside to get rolling again, not another big goverment insider. She sure didn't get my vote. Despite that, we Americans need to get this voting thing dialed in a little tighter; sheesh, we suck. How can these people miss that many ballots?

 

[Damn True]

WA = Baja Canada

Nope....nobody cares.

 

[BigMike]

Is it really that hard to count ballots? And really, how the hell do you lose peoples votes?

And to answer the question, I have no heard about it in Virginia, but then again, I dont watch the news or read the newspaper

 

[PsychO!1]

With 3 million + votes, there are bound to be some that can't be verified due to many reasons. Usually due to no verifiable signiature on file...whatever the reason, if investigated LONG enough, I'm sure they all could verified and counted. But, at some point you have to call it an election and be done with it, that was done after the first electronic count. IMO, because of the second, and third recounts, they have now had time to verified some 700 votes and want to throw those into mix.....too late, you missed the dead line!!! Like Rhino said, it's a recount, not a new election!!!

And another thing!!! :mumble: First and second counting of the votes was an electronic count, both were very close to the same results. The third recount is a hand recount and the results are very, very different. Yeah, lets throw out the repeatable and accurate electronic counting for the human error hand recount....smart.

[EDIT] for those not familiar....Rossi (R) is currently leading by 50 votes, with the largest county in the state yet to count their votes (for the the third time).

 

[Toshi]

repeatable and accurate electronic counting

this statement may hold true for optical scanning of paper ballots, but it's definitely not the case for diebold-type electronic voting machines (which weren't used in king county, at least), as they lack all verifiability. it's easy to conceive them being used to throw an election.

 

[Snacks]

With 3 million + votes, there are bound to be some that can't be verified due to many reasons. Usually due to no verifiable signiature on file...whatever the reason, if investigated LONG enough, I'm sure they all could verified and counted. But, at some point you have to call it an election and be done with it, that was done after the first electronic count. IMO, because of the second, and third recounts, they have now had time to verified some 700 votes and want to throw those into mix.....too late, you missed the dead line!!! Like Rhino said, it's a recount, not a new election!!!

And another thing!!! :mumble: First and second counting of the votes was an electronic count, both were very close to the same results. The third recount is a hand recount and the results are very, very different. Yeah, lets throw out the repeatable and accurate electronic counting for the human error hand recount....smart.

[EDIT] for those not familiar....Rossi (R) is currently leading by 50 votes, with the largest county in the state yet to count their votes (for the the third time).

I agree with you Mike....it's a re-count...not and entire new election. King county sent out letters to the voters that they didn't have a signature on file back in May, to correct the problem. If the voters never responded then they(the voters)missed the dead line to get their signature on file.

Yes, all votes should count, but they need to be VALID votes. It seems that a majority of voters are angry with the republicans for not counting all the votes, but they(the voters)should really be angry at the King County election board. They are the ones that dropped the ball, which seem to be a habit around here. Last election they didn't get the absentee ballots sent out until AFTER the election.

 

[PsychO!1]

this statement may hold true for optical scanning of paper ballots, but it's definitely not the case for diebold-type electronic voting machines (which weren't used in king county, at least), as they lack all verifiability. it's easy to conceive them being used to throw an election.

That brings up another issue....Why can't this sate come up with ONE voting system. It would make things much easier and more reliable. All these counties seem to have different way to vote, it makes no sense to me.

 

[Honeywell]

That brings up another issue....Why can't this sate come up with ONE voting system. It would make things much easier and more reliable. All these counties seem to have different way to vote, it makes no sense to me.

I've been wondering the same thing...

How do they hand recount electronic votes anyways? Stick each and every card into the machine and just click a counter or what?

 

[arboc!]

i live in spokane and didnt even know the elecion for gov was still going on.

 

[PsychO!1]

I've been wondering the same thing...

How do they hand recount electronic votes anyways? Stick each and every card into the machine and just click a counter or what?

They not eletronic votes, just counted electronically. I beilieve all the votes are paper ballots, but not the same paper ballots. I think some are punched, others are marked liked tests you took in school. They are counted differently too, some can be scanned (electronic), while others have to be counted manually (hand count).

It just doesn't seem like it would that hard to come up with ONE solution for the entire state.

 

[PsychO!1]

i live in spokane and didnt even know the elecion for gov was still going on.

Is this not news worthy in eastern washington, or don't you follow the news??

 

[Snacks]

Is this not news worthy in eastern washington, or don't you follow the news??

No, it's new worthy over there. My parents live in the Tri-Cities and are just up in arms about this whole thing. They have called me numorus times says that the liberals are stealing the election :devil:

 

[arboc!]

Is this not news worthy in eastern washington, or don't you follow the news??

yeah, its not worthy, we're too good for your news.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Rhino mate, just an FYI.....WA actually stands for "Western Australia" not "Washington". If you wanna use "WA" you should write it like this "WA (American state in the north western part of that country)". Just a heads up.

Haha Noted.

You realize you are jsut giving me more words to screw up as I type and fail to proof read, don't you?

 

[RhinofromWA]

How can these people miss that many ballots?

Didn't you hear? They were found under the machine.....

5 weeks later.

I think King county sided with Gregiore at a higher % than the state as a whole.....I doubt the % is as close as 50/50 (essentially) if the ballots "found" follow the County % instead of the state %.

....if that made any sense I would be suprised.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Is this not news worthy in eastern washington, or don't you follow the news??

You want to talk about dissenfrachised voters talk to people out in Eastern WA (the state in the NW Corner of the USA)

By the shear lack of population numbers their often different needs and opinions are ignored(or overwhelmed) by the much more dense (not a derogitory statement ) population of Western WA (same as above)

But I don't know if the ponies can run that fast to Spokane I think they just found out there was an election.

 

[Fredzilla]

Like most Western Australians... errr, Warshingtonians, I think it's time for this thing to be done.

The only thing that got me a little agitated was Gregoires subtle, decisive, and TOTALLY loaded recent statements. In it I heard something to the effect of, "yes, this recount thing needs to be over and done with (more empty rhetoric here)................................... once EVERY vote is counted."

Since the end of the election the first time, it seems that Christine Gregoire has been try to somewhat distance herself from the "party politics" and "game" that is being played at the voters expense. By citing that it is/was the democratic party who decided to do the hand recount, and by not associating herself by name on the lawsuit that was filed, I feel that she has attempted to win back some of the popular support (partisan politics aside) of voters who are sinking further into the abyss of political cynicism.

Sorry for the long, and possibly nonsensical rant, but bottom line - I really have a great disdain for teflon-coated professional politicians and I'm really getting the sense that Ms. Gregoire is revealing herself to be one.... but I bet I can't make it stick. neaky:

 

[Snacks]

The only thing that got me a little agitated was Gregoires subtle, decisive, and TOTALLY loaded recent statements. In it I heard something to the effect of, "yes, this recount thing needs to be over and done with (more empty rhetoric here)................................... once EVERY vote is counted."

Oh, I'm getting so sick of the Democrats and their make EVERY vote count slogan The head of the Democrat party, Paul Barron is a joke...crying on TV and all.

It's not that the Rossi camp doesn't want to have all the votes counted, but you have to follow the law. You can't change the rules 1/2 way though the second recount. King County elections board is the one at fault here. That Dean Logan guy is going to be out of a job after this is all said and done.

It's not just the governors race that is effected with this 700+ missing ballots. What about all the other initiatives that were up for election?

 

[DRB]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6744362/

Now Gregoires is winning by 8 votes. I wonder if those 700 votes will be so readily dismissed by the Republicans.

 

[RhinofromWA]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6744362/

Now Gregoires is winning by 8 votes. I wonder if those 700 votes will be so readily dismissed by the Republicans.

I dreamnt that the state D leader gave me the vote count last night and had Gregiore winning by one vote......

The 700 votes wont help Rossi unless they were heavily weighted to the R side.....as King COunty is heavily for Gregiore.

 

[Snacks]

I dreamnt that the state D leader gave me the vote count last night and had Gregiore winning by one vote......

The 700 votes wont help Rossi unless they were heavily weighted to the R side.....as King COunty is heavily for Gregiore.

The superime court just ruled that votes will be counted and added in to the King County total. Gregiore just won....... :mumble:

 

[RhinofromWA]

I love it how votes were "found"

As it is neither one was what the state wanted....a 50/50 split means that not one of them was a clear winner.....now we are stuck with either one with half of the state not liking them.

It is going to be a fun next couple of years.

 

[Snacks]

I love it how votes were "found"

As it is neither one was what the state wanted....a 50/50 split means that not one of them was a clear winner.....now we are stuck with either one with half of the state not liking them.

It is going to be a fun next couple of years.

Oh ya....Eastern Washington is going to riot for sure! She will not be around for a second term, but I would say the same thing if Rossi won/wins.

 

[PsychO!1]

Soooo, the two electonic counts Rossi won means nothing. While 1 hand count with huge margins for error due to the human factor wins it for Gregior by 8 votes.

This sucks.....Lets hope they at least fix the system after this fiasco.

 

[ummbikes]

First Bush, and now this. Pretty much if I despise a candidate they will win.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Oh ya....Eastern Washington is going to riot for sure!

Yeah but what can 3 guys on tractors do? neaky:

j/k I :love: E. Washington.

 

[Skookum]

Yeah but what can 3 guys on tractors do? neaky:

Haha the revolution will begin after the "Hee-Haw" marathon on TNN ends here in a few days.

 

[Snacks]

Yeah but what can 3 guys on tractors do? neaky:

j/k I :love: E. Washington.

Hey! :eviltongu

 

[DRB]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6767684/

Prepare to revote Washington......

Best quote:
“It’s irresponsible to spend $4 million in taxpayer money on a new election just because you don’t like losing this one,” said Gregoire’s spokesman Morton Brilliant.

Did they just copy this from a press release the other side made? Talk about lazy.