so who wants to hire me?
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Biggins - quit posting these whiny diatribes. Either get hold of yourself and find a new job or just continue to do your crap job that pays $hite.
I'm starting to think you're a chicken-boy.
Move to Flagstaff, you knob.
-S.S.-
I'm starting to think you're a chicken-boy.
Move to Flagstaff, you knob.
-S.S.-
OK here is some real advice Ben. You are a people person so.... Shave your burns, put on a nice shirt and walk into a car dealership and try selling. Look at how it is worked out for that one guy who's house party you took me to. Unfortunately for the most part there are a few types of people that make good money in this world. (not necessarily in order)
1) Educated Professionals
2) Sales
3) Entreprenurial types with a combo of 1&2 and some capital
Which category can you fit into?
The national avg salary for a sales person at a Franchised Dealership (ie ... new car place, Ford, Chevy, Toyota etc) is.... get this...
Almost 80k per year. That is the AVERAGE. Of course there is a huge turnover and long hours, but what do you have to lose by trying? Most of the bigger stores prefer just smart professional looking folks with some sales or customer service experience. They will train you the rest of the way. More than likely you will end up working a ton of hours at first, but they usually work in swing shifts, so you can still ride early in the AM and go to work at like noon or 1 on your late days.
I would recommend for your first stop some place that has high volume. IE Ford, Chevy, Toyota or something along those lines. Beggining sales people need floor traffic to make it. You also know a ton of people in town, so it won't be long before you develop a big referral network.
Good luck.
1) Educated Professionals
2) Sales
3) Entreprenurial types with a combo of 1&2 and some capital
Which category can you fit into?
The national avg salary for a sales person at a Franchised Dealership (ie ... new car place, Ford, Chevy, Toyota etc) is.... get this...
Almost 80k per year. That is the AVERAGE. Of course there is a huge turnover and long hours, but what do you have to lose by trying? Most of the bigger stores prefer just smart professional looking folks with some sales or customer service experience. They will train you the rest of the way. More than likely you will end up working a ton of hours at first, but they usually work in swing shifts, so you can still ride early in the AM and go to work at like noon or 1 on your late days.
I would recommend for your first stop some place that has high volume. IE Ford, Chevy, Toyota or something along those lines. Beggining sales people need floor traffic to make it. You also know a ton of people in town, so it won't be long before you develop a big referral network.
Good luck.
Sounds like you need to take a trip to Seattle and think about it.
You're starting to sound like a 40 year-old man whose afraid to get outside his little box.biggins said:
Get outside your little box, man. And LIVE a little while you're at it........
-S.S.-
you just have to play your cards right girl...Megan Black said:ahahaha, sweet! and i was beginning to think there weren't any benefits to getting married
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When I was going to school, they had some deal that was like $300 for the whole year.biggins said:
There is also sports insurance that is pretty cheap that is also $200 or so a year. Covers racing and everything. Deductible is probably $1000.
You might run into trouble with your college credits if it has been over 5 or 6 years since you last attended school. Maybe not.
Sometimes you gotta suck it up and look at the long term.biggins said:
So do I. So does everyone. Sometimes you need to do something to show them that you deserve that chance: like college. I hear ya', it blows that they rely so heavily on that, but there has to be a general way to judge potential employees and that's the way they do it. Everyone says, "give me a chance", but businesses aren't there to give people chances, they're there to make money.
I don't know what you pay for rent, utilities, etc. but given the housing values I see down in N.C., I'd say you're living outside of your means. Do you have a car payment? That's a big one. CC consolidation: how much money do you have left to pay? Can you extend the terms to get a lower monthly payment? Do you pay careful attention to your finances or do you spend money whenever you feel like it? Can you move into a less expensive apartment, even if it's not as nice?
My ex-girlfriend went to school full time and worked 20hrs/week. She paid a $400 rent bill, another $100 worth of utilities, car insurance, cell phone, and renters insurance. It can be done.
I Are Baboon said:I might get to hire someone to do my grunt work. That would rock.
Biggins, what is your education level, what are your computer skills, and how would you feel about reporting to a baboon?
Watch out Biggins... Kissing the boss's azz can be dangerous when its big, red, and swollen.
How about applying for something similar at Cingular / Verizon / T-Mobile?
Also, if you are serious about the going back to college thing, there's another option......parents. Talk to them and see if they would loan you some money. Some people are completely against this, the whole I want to do it myself thing, but this is a gift you can return to your own kids someday. Just another option to consider.
biggins said:
Don't know the details about it. Just heard about it through a buddy that races jet skis.
There is also catastrophic insurance(not really sure of the name), but does the same thing. High deductible, but pays for the big ones. Also, some hospitals will suck up the deductible if you are a below a certain wage limit.
come to Rochester and get a job with Cooper Vision. they are always looking for people. and it has ALL benifits and 401k and such. you can pick your hours as long as its in 8hour intervals.
i'm acctually thinkin to do it, once i'm done making Ridemonkey hats and beenies....
i'm acctually thinkin to do it, once i'm done making Ridemonkey hats and beenies....
You should really check into it and finish up.biggins said:
Would suck to be paying for something that is useless.
hey biggins if you want to move out to the midwest here, I saw that a conoco in Frisco was hiring, if you found a cheap apartment that'd be the coolest place in Colorado to live. Being that its a 20 minute drive from Breckenridge, Keystone, A-Basin, and is a half hour away from Copper, within 45 minutes of Vail, and less than an hour and a half from Winterpark/Mary Jane..... Yeah, badass I know.biggins said:
http://www.coopervision.com/us/patient_aboutus.asp ???biggins said:
well as far as i know verizon is the only other company that has service technicians and i have been watchin them like a hawk.berkshire_rider said:How about applying for something similar at Cingular / Verizon / T-Mobile?
Also, if you are serious about the going back to college thing, there's another option......parents. Talk to them and see if they would loan you some money. Some people are completely against this, the whole I want to do it myself thing, but this is a gift you can return to your own kids someday. Just another option to consider.
my parents dont make enough money to do that and they already have done so much for me.
how about a part-time job?
Find yourself a sugarmomma.
I know a college education sounds like a bunch of red tape and in the end you won't really learn anything but consider this:
I was hired by my current employer after graduating from a 4 year program. We had another employee who had worked for the company for 14 years without any formal education past high school, but I'd consider us to have equivalent aptitudes and inteligence. From the first day I started working I never felt that the self taught employee had any advantage over myself even with his 14 years experience. The only advantage he had was familiarity with our products which I was able to pick up as quickly as would be expected.
There are classes that seem like a bunch of red tape and just some dues you pay to society so they'll let you work, but I've found that the more you sit in classes, even if the course material is repetitive or simple, just being exposed to the material in an academic environment helps expand your mind. I didn't feel like I learned a whole lot going through college, most of the classes were courses I'd already had some exposure to in high school or researched on my own as a hobby, but almost every day I'll have some problem in front of me where I'll remember one of the little details that I picked up in college. The details are usually not that significant and I could have usually come up with them on my own had I thought about it long enough, but the fact that I can have near instant recall of some subject really does put me ahead of somebody who is just like myself but without an education because he'll have near instant recall of a blank space where I can think of some lecture or a laboratory assignemt and interpolate.
You find yourself in a tough spot, you do have skills but they are not really skills that take an enormous amount of experience to perfect, more it's an aptitude and attitude that will make you succede in customer service and I don't doubt that you are very good at what you are doing. The downside is that customer service related carrears have metrics that are more qualatative than quantitative, meaning you can't exactly put a number on how well you can explain technical things over the phone or how cheerful you sound when helping a difficult customer, one of the few quantitative things you actually can show a potential employer is a degree and that alone will set you aside from the rest of the applicants.
If you don't have the means to go back to school I'd suggest looking for job outside of customer service, what else are you good at? Construction pays very well if you have the aptitude but without experience it may be difficult to get into the field. If you can get into some kind of manufacturing for example working for an injection molder or a parts assembly house, you'll start off with low pay but if you exhibit some leadership abilities you'll quickly advance to be a lead man or shift supervisor.
I was hired by my current employer after graduating from a 4 year program. We had another employee who had worked for the company for 14 years without any formal education past high school, but I'd consider us to have equivalent aptitudes and inteligence. From the first day I started working I never felt that the self taught employee had any advantage over myself even with his 14 years experience. The only advantage he had was familiarity with our products which I was able to pick up as quickly as would be expected.
There are classes that seem like a bunch of red tape and just some dues you pay to society so they'll let you work, but I've found that the more you sit in classes, even if the course material is repetitive or simple, just being exposed to the material in an academic environment helps expand your mind. I didn't feel like I learned a whole lot going through college, most of the classes were courses I'd already had some exposure to in high school or researched on my own as a hobby, but almost every day I'll have some problem in front of me where I'll remember one of the little details that I picked up in college. The details are usually not that significant and I could have usually come up with them on my own had I thought about it long enough, but the fact that I can have near instant recall of some subject really does put me ahead of somebody who is just like myself but without an education because he'll have near instant recall of a blank space where I can think of some lecture or a laboratory assignemt and interpolate.
You find yourself in a tough spot, you do have skills but they are not really skills that take an enormous amount of experience to perfect, more it's an aptitude and attitude that will make you succede in customer service and I don't doubt that you are very good at what you are doing. The downside is that customer service related carrears have metrics that are more qualatative than quantitative, meaning you can't exactly put a number on how well you can explain technical things over the phone or how cheerful you sound when helping a difficult customer, one of the few quantitative things you actually can show a potential employer is a degree and that alone will set you aside from the rest of the applicants.
If you don't have the means to go back to school I'd suggest looking for job outside of customer service, what else are you good at? Construction pays very well if you have the aptitude but without experience it may be difficult to get into the field. If you can get into some kind of manufacturing for example working for an injection molder or a parts assembly house, you'll start off with low pay but if you exhibit some leadership abilities you'll quickly advance to be a lead man or shift supervisor.
T-mobile has a phone development dept. Not sure of the actual job title, but they test phones, test software, yadda yadda yadda...biggins said:
very nice. i agree with Kornflake. i didn't finish college. and found a couple pretty good jobs. but i found i'm really good with computer. building them and modify them
then somehow in there i became a Custom Embroider. yea random.
ever since then, my company has been sending me on business trips to either learn more or meet to customers and such. (they pay for everything)
**** college.
but what do i know
then somehow in there i became a Custom Embroider. yea random.
ever since then, my company has been sending me on business trips to either learn more or meet to customers and such. (they pay for everything)
**** college.
but what do i know
i may have found a solution to many of my problems. a college here in my town offers a few limtied programs that are tailored to fit adult work schedules. I can work full time and still finish school. Sounds pretty cool. To top it all off if i were to stay at the job i am at now, which i probably will not do any way, they will do tuition reimbursment. So they would reimburse for books and tuition then when i am done i can just quit here an thank them for the college education.
biggins said:
There ya go... Good plan
Bonus points for the additional poon you will meet in class.
Sounds like a good plan. But Flagstaff would be more fun..........biggins said:
-S.S.-
I feel your pain man. I am in the USMC right now...and i've been looking at jobs for when I get out. I had to look VERY hard just to find one that didn't require some sort of college degree. So finding a steady,good paying job once i get out is gonna be tough. But being that I will be a Veteran and I lived in MA before I came in...I can go to around 25-30 colleges in MA TUITION FREE. Plus the GI bill will give me around 1,000$ a month if i am attending college....even a Community College or a cheap State School. So I guess my only option is to go to college first. Only thing I need to worry about is getting accepted.....
College will allow you to get into the door of a corporation, primarly when they are highering thats what they want to see. I have 2 years of school behind me and dropped out. School was just never for me, but I've done okay for myself so far. The bottom line is you either have what it takes to be sucessful or you don't, it doesn't matter how much education you have behind you.
well i have what it takes but school is very difficult for me.not the actual school work per se just the routine, the boredom, the bs that is associated with it. The monotany the homogenity of it all kills my spirit and makes me long for something better.
Take up a construction trade. Wanna make good money become a Plumber.biggins said:
binary visions said:
That's right.You got to make sacrifices. I hated my job as well, but realized without an education, it would be more of the same if I looked for a different one. So in July of 2001 I put a plan in effect - paid off bills, saved money for future bills, saved money for school, etc.
If I was single, it would have been so easy. But I'm not. I have a wife and a 4yo son. I sold my 3bdrm home on 1.5acres. I now live in a 2bdrm mobile on which I pay lot rent. All my neighbors are over 70yo, it's great.
At least it's quiet, and they are friendly. I left a union job paying me 60g a year, w/o overtime. I still had about 15g available for the upper jobs, I was only the 3rd job up in a 7 job ladder. I had great benefits for my entire family. The list goes on... blah, blah, blah. You get the point.Is it scary? Hell yeah! You just have to do it if you want something different for yourself and your (future?) family. That's the biggest reason I made the move. If I were a single guy, I probably just would have stayed. I did it for my son so that he will see the importance of an education, and so that I would be more than just some guy in his life that payed the bills (I worked horrendous hours).
After nearly 14 yrs being out, my first day of school is tomorrow. I'm so grateful I followed through. I advise you, Biggins to do the same.
btw, just so the crowd knows I recognize.... BIG thanks to my wife for all the support.
Please see my earlier post about sucking it up.biggins said:
i need a job, too. i was the sole mechanic for a team that rode 4000+ miles this summer, i'm efficient with Excel, and i'm goal oriented. prefer either a bike shop, or lawyer's office. pay? i'm not stingy. just pay me enough to live and i'll be happy. hook me up, yo!
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better yet, anyone want to send me to UBI? huh huh huh? i'll heart you forever, and give you free tune-ups fo' life.
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better yet, anyone want to send me to UBI? huh huh huh? i'll heart you forever, and give you free tune-ups fo' life.