Yeah was wondering the same thing too. Upper body general strength can't be bad for manuals and gates.Not sure why they are doing bench press though, pretty useless for most athletic pursuits except MMA fighting.
What? Bench helps in alot of other sports..football for example...disengaging blockers.Those jumping squats bring back some bad memories from college. We used do those in nasty intervals after practice. Although my 38" vert was because of them.
Not sure why they are doing bench press though, pretty useless for most athletic pursuits except MMA fighting.
There (the weights) are 25's 50+45=95Not sure how much those plates are or what they are made out of, but if the big red ones are 45's... that skinnier guy was repping 225 hahaha at 1:00.
Those jumping squats bring back some bad memories from college. We used do those in nasty intervals after practice. Although my 38" vert was because of them.
Not sure why they are doing bench press though, pretty useless for most athletic pursuits except MMA fighting.
The problem with bench press is your pushing away from you body with your spine fully supported by a completely stable flat surface. At no point during a football would you do a movement like this or any form of cycling. In MMA fighting there are situations you push someone off of you while lying on a flat stable surface. In other sports not so much.What? Bench helps in alot of other sports..football for example...disengaging blockers.
Bench press (obviously) develops pectoralis and anterior deltoid strength. These two muscles work together to stabilize (mostly isometrically) the body during rough sections on a DH track and work concentrically during absorption of impacts during landings.The problem with bench press is your pushing away from you body with your spine fully supported by a completely stable flat surface. At no point during a football would you do a movement like this or any form of cycling. In MMA fighting there are situations you push someone off of you while lying on a flat stable surface. In other sports not so much.
It more nit picking on my part than anything. Either way those guys are strong.
you're not very smart are youThose jumping squats bring back some bad memories from college. We used do those in nasty intervals after practice. Although my 38" vert was because of them.
Not sure why they are doing bench press though, pretty useless for most athletic pursuits except MMA fighting.
or absorptions of hitting trees. i have hit some hard enough where people have just turned around because they thought i died. Thank you 42" chest! platty 2008 GES finals. booooosh!absorption of impacts during landings.
Yup, injury prevention is very high on my list of reasons why to weightlift.or absorptions of hitting trees. i have hit some hard enough where people have just turned around because they thought i died. Thank you 42" chest! platty 2008 GES finals. booooosh!
WORD. Gonna start doing it very soon. And it's cheaper than trying to put some XC parts on my 4x parts to make it lighter in order to compensate the fact that my upper body strength is weak!Zoro... Get to the gym. Get to the gym with a friend. Put some music in and have a spotter. Rep out sets of 8-10 and make sure your friend is there to help on the last 2 (push yourself that hard). If you do this, and feel how sore you will be the next day, it can't be that boring.
I mean maybe I am just saying this because I got sucked into the gym, but I don't see how that could be boring, pushing your body to its physical limits and seeing results.
Or maybe you're so dumb you can't understand my arguement.you're not very smart are you
Nagaredama... Ok. I know you know more than me probably, but what you just said doesn't make sense to me for a few reasons.Or maybe you're so dumb you can't understand my arguement.
The guy who trained me was responsible for the strength and conditioning of about 10 NCAA championship teams including 3 Heisman Trophy winners and 10 Olympic Gold Medalists. I think I was taught pretty well.
In place of bench I would have them doing pistons or ring push ups. Both require your core to work while using the muscles required to push away from the body.Bench press is super tough on your shoulders.
When riding a bike at no time is your posterior chain supported by a flat stable surface. Unless you've fallen and trying to push the bike off of you.
Just as a comment...flat bench press and flys both work the pectoralis major (sternal) and almost the same synergists (flys work the biceps while bench press the triceps). So I don't think there is much of a difference performance-wise.Nagaredama... Ok. I know you know more than me probably, but what you just said doesn't make sense to me for a few reasons.
Ok, bench press can help a lot I think. Although a big, strong chest isn't really required for riding I don't think, it can help.
Like when you approach a rock garden and start to get packed up on the bars if you go into a little unprepared.
Also, even though this is a secondary effect, benching helps strengthen triceps which are super important.
A stronger chest can help one pump a little harder I think, and squash your bike down over jumps (referred to as speed jumping in bmx).
A stronger chest in general usually (not always, but usually) means bigger which offers more protection.
Another point I think is worth considering. It is important to have equal strength in muscles and size. If one has a huge back and small chest, it probably won't help posture and could cause injury elsewhere.
Another point. Sprinting. Your chest muscles help you make a platform for your bike via handlebars when it is being viscously moved about like a ragdoll. Whether benching helps this more than flys I don't know.
Chest also helps one move their arms across their body which in turn can give more control. Again flys or benching, I', not sure. Chest is important dude, just look at someone sprinting next time you are on the lift. While it may not be as vital as other groups, it certainly plays a roll.
Oh and benching is hard on shoulders. Just work up to a higher weight slowly because tendons adapt etc... and stabilizers are required.
I agree a strong chest is important to riding.Nagaredama... Ok. I know you know more than me probably, but what you just said doesn't make sense to me for a few reasons.
Ok, bench press can help a lot I think. Although a big, strong chest isn't really required for riding I don't think, it can help.
Like when you approach a rock garden and start to get packed up on the bars if you go into a little unprepared.
Also, even though this is a secondary effect, benching helps strengthen triceps which are super important.
A stronger chest can help one pump a little harder I think, and squash your bike down over jumps (referred to as speed jumping in bmx).
A stronger chest in general usually (not always, but usually) means bigger which offers more protection.
Another point I think is worth considering. It is important to have equal strength in muscles and size. If one has a huge back and small chest, it probably won't help posture and could cause injury elsewhere.
Another point. Sprinting. Your chest muscles help you make a platform for your bike via handlebars when it is being viscously moved about like a ragdoll. Whether benching helps this more than flys I don't know.
Chest also helps one move their arms across their body which in turn can give more control. Again flys or benching, I', not sure. Chest is important dude, just look at someone sprinting next time you are on the lift. While it may not be as vital as other groups, it certainly plays a roll.
Oh and benching is hard on shoulders. Just work up to a higher weight slowly because tendons adapt etc... and stabilizers are required.
Well, it's good to know that the guy who trained you has good credentials, and although I would love to get into a credentials pissing match with you I will decline, and just leave you with this, between myself and my girlfriend we have more strenght and conditioning, personal training, and physical therapy credentials than I suspect you have.Or maybe you're so dumb you can't understand my arguement.
The guy who trained me was responsible for the strength and conditioning of about 10 NCAA championship teams including 3 Heisman Trophy winners and 10 Olympic Gold Medalists. I think I was taught pretty well.
I agree a strong chest is important to riding.
My point was bench press isn't the most effective way to achieve that goal.
while to some extent I see your point, functional chest excersizes are not the only way to get a strong upper body, just as one should not use machines for everything, one should also supplement functional excersizes, like perhaps your suggestion of ring push ups, an explosive bench press will mimic the way your hands are both on the same handle bar and are beneficial.In place of bench I would have them doing pistons or ring push ups. Both require your core to work while using the muscles required to push away from the body.Bench press is super tough on your shoulders.
When riding a bike at no time is your posterior chain supported by a flat stable surface. Unless you've fallen and trying to push the bike off of you.
Not a regular flat bench press anyway,I agree a strong chest is important to riding.
My point was bench press isn't the most effective way to achieve that goal.
You guys train at Globo Gym?Well, it's good to know that the guy who trained you has good credentials, and although I would love to get into a credentials pissing match with you I will decline, and just leave you with this, between myself and my girlfriend we have more strenght and conditioning, personal training, and physical therapy credentials than I suspect you have.
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hey, dont believe when you do make a benchpress, you automatically get big big muscles like my mom believed.Minnarr is a fricking scarecrow and owns pro DH. Bench press don't mean a thing in DH. Pro DH top 10 are a bunch of bird chested pinners. Your theories suck.
A high school prospect who's a top 10 offensive guard in the country can't bench 225 but is coming to UNC on a full scholarship. He can't be moved they say. You should tell him to quit.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/07/18/586215/condition-doesnt-keep-james-from.html
They were clearly warming up, probably for a gates/skills session, apart form maybe the girl on the squat rack mid video.pretty funny how you guys have everything about their training program figured out, including it's flaws just by watching a short video of a clinic they held for local's and new/young riders.... did it ever occur that they were just going over the basics to get these kids started in the right direction, and with equipment that was easy to transport and set up outside for an afternoon?
and Butch..... Minnaar is no scarecrow these days. He is one of the bigger dudes out there.
I imagine that if it wasn't for your ultra sweet trainer from Globo you wouldn't have even been able to come up with that.You guys train at Globo Gym?
Think he kills it in the bench press though? Think he's sliding the plates on a thinking "If I can bust through this 275lb plateau, I'm gonna win Worlds"??They were clearly warming up, probably for a gates/skills session, apart form maybe the girl on the squat rack mid video.
And yes, i was wondering where that Minnaar comment came from too, he may look stretched out due to his height but he is certainly not skinny.
No, i dont. if you read my original post i was actually stating bench press (at least the way its demonstrated in the video) is probably less than ideal for DH. It doesnt really matter if Greg benches 500lbs or 10lbs, He along with the other top 10 riders clearly have some sort of upper body strength program on the go, tailored to their needs.
Think he kills it in the bench press though? Think he's sliding the plates on a thinking "If I can bust through this 275lb plateau, I'm gonna win Worlds"??
I have no doubt GM is stout. Wearing Sessler's dress in DirtMag, he looks quite the athlete. I was being dramatic, exaggerated and silly about bench presses for DH success.
For example, Gee is the poster boy for DH flex right now, but he still ain't beating your local 10th grade linebacker at the 225lb max rep test.
I agree with you. What are "pistons" though?Or maybe you're so dumb you can't understand my arguement.
The guy who trained me was responsible for the strength and conditioning of about 10 NCAA championship teams including 3 Heisman Trophy winners and 10 Olympic Gold Medalists. I think I was taught pretty well.
In place of bench I would have them doing pistons or ring push ups. Both require your core to work while using the muscles required to push away from the body.Bench press is super tough on your shoulders.
When riding a bike at no time is your posterior chain supported by a flat stable surface. Unless you've fallen and trying to push the bike off of you.