[$tinkle]

take the quiz and find out.

my results (letters in parens are my close 2nd choice)
C
D
D (b)
D (b)
B (c)
A
C (d)
D
C
A (least stupid)

these make me a realist:

• Are guided more by practical considerations than ideological vision
• Believe US power is crucial to successful diplomacy - and vice versa
• Don't want US policy options unduly limited by world opinion or ethical considerations
• Believe strong alliances are important to US interests
• Weigh the political costs of foreign action
• Believe foreign intervention must be dictated by compelling national interest

Historical realist: President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Modern realist: Secretary of State Colin Powell

 

[ummbikes]

A
B
C
D
C
B
C
D
C
B

I'm a realist too. I guess...

 

[LordOpie]

A
A
A
A
A
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A


Idiot

The term idiot is most often used negatively; many people who share its beliefs don't know what they're talking about. They believe in "Mighty Mouse." For them, national superheros trumps international relations. Many downhillers, snowboarders, and anti-globalization protesters share idiotic tenets.

:devil:

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by LordOpie
Idiot

The term idiot is most often used negatively; many people who share its beliefs don't know what they're talking about. They believe in "Mighty Mouse." For them, national superheros trumps international relations. Many downhillers, snowboarders, and anti-globalization protesters share idiotic tenets.

:devil:

you forgot: "wear shower curtains as capes, demanding respect"

 

[LordOpie]

so, you think you're a neocon, eh?

does anyone here think they're a neocon?

 

[Toshi]

i'm a "liberal." go me.

 

[911]

Liberal

Liberals…

- Are wary of American arrogance and hypocrisy
- Trace much of today's anti-American hatred to previous US foreign policies.
- Believe political solutions are inherently superior to military solutions
- Believe the US is morally bound to intervene in humanitarian crises
- Oppose American imperialism
- Support international law, alliances, and agreements
- Encourage US participation in the UN
- Believe US economic policies must help lift up the world's poor

Historical liberal: President Woodrow Wilson
Modern liberal: President Jimmy Carter

 

[MMike]

Yay liberals!!

 

[nicklin]

neocon. yeah I support Isreal, not because I have the preference for Jewish people over Palestinians, but becuase the palestinian extremists are pissing me off with their wussy-a*s attacks on women and children by sending idiotic kids who just want to get laid by 72 virgins after death. And the Isrealis make damn good pistols Islamic extremism is the next Nazism. there is no doubt that we need to do something about it. i will give the Palestinians my respect when they wage a real war on the Isrealis and fight fair. Before then, screw them.

P.S., the US may not be perfect, but EVERY OTHER MAJOR POWER did a worse job of spreading peace and wealth than us. For all you folks out there, see how good of a job the french, the Belgians, and the English did with their power status around the world.

Then again, most countries of the world did not observe the rule of war in the wars of the past. International law is an idealistic goal for those who don't know how the real world works. Agreements can be broken over night over a newly discovered oil well.

 

[911]

Originally posted by nicklin
i will give the Palestinians my respect when they wage a real war on the Isrealis and fight fair. Before then, screw them.

How would they do that? With all their imaginary tanks and military infrastructure?

International law is an idealistic goal for those who don't know how the real world works. Agreements can be broken over night over a newly discovered oil well.

Currently, yes. But why settle for that? Personally, I like to think a better world, a world not dominated by overzealous nationalism or profit driven corporate interests, is possible.

 

[CreeP]

dream on dumbass, it's impossible

liberal Woo me!

um ya, might doesn't make right, ****-sock! quaint yes, but true. I'm fuking sick and tired of asshols who think just because they cut the biggest slice it means they have a right to that slice. and not only that, they have this tasteless habit of eating in full view of others.


edit:

ha, i knew there was something odd with the description of liberals, i hadn't gone through that 'test' in a while i just remembered my result. anyhoo this is what i'd like to bring to your attention:

"- Believe the US is morally bound to intervene in humanitarian crises
- Oppose American imperialism
"

there are a couple options here 1-they are mutually exclusive 2- it's a very fine balance 3- sane people wouldn't word the first one just so.

all of the above? 3 is about where i sit. Being a canadian i am proud of the ambassadorial role of our nation and provided the situation actually warrants a foreign presence then yes there's no reason you yanks shouldn't be there too. but to think you can claim some sort of moral high ground is just the most arrogant ignorant and bloody bullheaded thing you can do when trying to help sort out a conflict on a national level. I couldn't see anyone saying Clinton had a moral high ground to stand on, so bitching at someone for calling dubya out is rediculous.

as an aside, why the hell do you yanks divide yourselves between two parties that really have no differences? And if you think there's a real difference you're just letting the idealistic rhetoric get to you. Ferchissakes you can't even call out the 'democrats' for being liberal spenders anymore, that's the 'republicans' job now.

tabarouette, chalice, ostie de sacrement!

 

[TCoop924]

liberal....not exactly new news

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by CreeP
as an aside, why the hell do you yanks divide yourselves between two parties that really have no differences? And if you think there's a real difference you're just letting the idealistic rhetoric get to you.

rhetoric or marketing? Unirregardlessness, I'm glad someone else out there is also spouting off about how the two parties aren't that different. That's the stupid part, they aren't that different but they won't work together cuz of ego

 

[nicklin]

Originally posted by CreeP
dream on dumbass, it's impossible
......
as an aside, why the hell do you yanks divide yourselves between two parties that really have no differences? And if you think there's a real difference you're just letting the idealistic rhetoric get to you. Ferchissakes you can't even call out the 'democrats' for being liberal spenders anymore, that's the 'republicans' job now.

tabarouette, chalice, ostie de sacrement!

Ahh...canadian naivete. my friends and I agreed just now that we should all be like Canadians if we had a stronger neighbor to rely on.....but we don't. after all, Canada is so damned white and mellow that i think even Hitler wouldn't wnat to invade it just out of his sympathy.

The reason why you don't see a diffference in the two parties is because you don't live in our country and don't first hand expereince the trauma that the Rebublican party has broguht to the states along with the Democrats. It's complex, but they by no means are indistinguishable. But you probably don't care enough since it oesn't affect you in any way.

I don't see Canadian effort to defuse time bombs around the world or combat communism.....so in our language:

mind your own business.

I think the lack of opposition to pseudo liberals on this board is because those who want to say something like that already lost their patience. after all, I just realized that a MTb forum is bound to be packed with liberals and euro-trash wanna-be's. sigh......

 

[CreeP]

doesn't affect us in the least huh?


yawn

canadian naivite?


yawn

where do you come up with this crap

 

[Tenchiro]

Said I was a liberal, imagine that.

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by nicklin
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Originally posted by CreeP
...

you two need to post here more before you can start ruining threads with petty bickering.

Here's a sample list of posters who are allowed such garbage:

-- me vs fluff... but just about WMDs
-- Anyone vs N8... he's an uber-troll
-- $tinkle vs Jr_Bullit... any topic, but just cuz they're so cute together.
-- BurlySurly vs Valve Bouncer... any topic, any time -- we're thinking about getting 'em a cage match

but you have to earn the right to ruin a thread

 

[nicklin]

Originally posted by CreeP
doesn't affect us in the least huh?


yawn

canadian naivite?


yawn

where do you come up with this crap

the 'crap' is also known as common sense, watching how california suffered under these two parties, watching how the republicans sold out to the corporate interest and democrats who suddenly became the "champion" of everyone's welfare and sucked the life out of this country.....I think you need to get some god dam*ed zzzz's before you talk, buddy, 'cause you ain't living what i'm talking about.

 

[CreeP]

please re-read all the above

 

[nicklin]

Originally posted by CreeP
please re-read all the above

you are right, your location says it all, the montreal bitch

 

[Changleen]

Nicklin, Have you ever actually left the States?

Jeeze. Extract head from clouds...

 

[nicklin]

Originally posted by Changleen
Nicklin, Have you ever actually left the States?

Jeeze. Extract head from clouds...

as a matter of fact, I have. I've lived in canada for periods of time. Love the place, lovely trails, but the canadians look waaayyy down on americans. I;ve travelled to three different continents too.

 

[Changleen]

Originally posted by nicklin
but the canadians look waaayyy down on americans.

Funny that.

Anyway..

So if you've travelled so much, how come you still think the US is the donkey's nuts? Doesn't US hypocracy annoy you at all?

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Changleen
Funny that.

Anyway..

So if you've travelled so much, how come you still think the US is the donkey's nuts? Doesn't US hypocracy annoy you at all?

nah, the most annoying hypocracy is other countries who do nothing but complain. Oh, and people living in the states complaining about how bad it is here.

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by nicklin
as a matter of fact, I have. I've lived in canada for periods of time. Love the place, lovely trails, but the canadians look waaayyy down on americans. I;ve travelled to three different continents too.

They are just annoyed that your average American has no idea there is a big country just to the north of them. The incessant ignorant cheerleading doesn't really help that much either.

Seriously, a lot of Americans hear Canada and think penguins and igloos, especially when they have had a few beers. I don't have the heart to tell them that penguins are not native to the Northern Hemisphere.

 

[Changleen]

Originally posted by LordOpie
nah, the most annoying hypocracy is other countries who do nothing but complain. Oh, and people living in the states complaining about how bad it is here.

Yup, only America ever does anything. No other country has any impact on the world. We all just sit around and complain about America ****1ng everything up for us all the time.

And I'm not complaining about your amazing, beautifull continent, or the sensible 48% (or whatever it is) of your population - I'm complaining about your ****fu*k 'president' and the rash of self important, blinkered, morally bankrupt, ignorant appologists who can't see beyond the end of their greedy noses that he's the worst thing to happen to the world since.. well, ever.

By the way I got Liberal in the quiz.

 

[nicklin]

Originally posted by LordOpie
nah, the most annoying hypocracy is other countries who do nothing but complain. Oh, and people living in the states complaining about how bad it is here.

precisely.
We get the bash because we are the only country doing anything about stuff. of course canada looks nice to live when it never does anyting in the international community, if you can call it a community.

And i've been to Europe, and let me tell ya, there is a reason why italy, Spain, Germany, France, and all those countries have been in a deep a%s recession for the past..oh...forever, because, IMHO, the kids drink and smoke themselves f#*king stupid and pretend to be liberals, and then grow up to be right wing nationalists. Case in point, the citizenship policy in Germany where you can't be a citizen unless you have german blood in you. that's the most p*ssy way to do things, "hey, let's exclude them and then pretend how much we care about them, let them make money for us and we can collect tax on them, give the foreign-born people no political power then bash the only country on earth where they are willing to take in people as they are." other countries in western Europe have similar policies. If that's not g*d dam*ed hypocracy i don't know what is.

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by nicklin
...

hell yeah you're right I'm in total agreeance!

Oh, the big bad USA... wait, who started WWII? Who lines their streets so the enemy can walk in the shade? Who has horrible dentistry? Who spawned chains like the Olive Garden? Who cowed to terrorists and pulled their troops out? Who lives in the good old USA and hates it?

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by LordOpie
hell yeah you're right I'm in total agreeance!

Oh, the big bad USA... wait, who started WWII? Who lines their streets so the enemy can walk in the shade? Who has horrible dentistry? Who spawned chains like the Olive Garden? Who cowed to terrorists and pulled their troops out? Who lives in the good old USA and hates it?

player hater.

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by LordOpie
hell yeah you're right I'm in total agreeance!

Oh, the big bad USA... wait, who started WWII? Who lines their streets so the enemy can walk in the shade? Who has horrible dentistry? Who spawned chains like the Olive Garden? Who cowed to terrorists and pulled their troops out? Who lives in the good old USA and hates it?

I live here. I don't hate the USA. I think it has some very arrogant and self serving foreign policy (and this is nothing new, btw...so it's not just a Bush bash.) It's also interesting how pointing this out (no matter how clinicaly you do it, you still get tarred with the "Why do you hate America?" brush) leads to a very defensive reaction.

(This isn't US-Centric. My parents live in Alberta, and are very conservative. They'd make much better Americans than I would, I think. My dad asked me during a political discussion a couple of weeks ago why I live in a country that I disagree with so much...I'm still thinking about that answer.)

Don't bring up WWII, Opie...I'd hate to point out how long it took the Yanks to weigh in against the Nazis.

Or, as famously attributed to Winston Churchill, "The US can always be counted on to do the right thing -- after it's exhausted every other alternative."

 

[LordOpie]

Silver, there's a BIG difference between disagreeing and hatred. Anyone who lives in the US and hates the US needs a boot upside the head... two times. Perhaps a bullet to the cranium.

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by LordOpie
Silver, there's a BIG difference between disagreeing and hatred. Anyone who lives in the US and hates the US needs a boot upside the head... two times. Perhaps a bullet to the cranium.

I love the weather...does that count?

 

[T-Dog]

What th.....! I finally took the test and apparently I'm a liberal!!

I still plan to vote for Bush.......

And I still like Heineken.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by T-Dog
And I still like Heineken.

don't make me go Frank Booth on you.



PBR, baby!