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Social irresponsability, does China have it right?

BostonBullit

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Oct 27, 2001
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This woman should have her uterus ripped out and then be beaten with it. 15 kids? 15 kids??? and she says she's ready to have more?!?! what the flying fock are these people thinking? aren't we putting enough of a strain on our natural resources as it is without shmucks like this breeding like cockroaches? why am I not suprised that the husband's name is Jim Bob....

linkey poo

Arkansas family celebrates 15th child
May 25, 2004

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. -- Michelle Duggar is all smiles after delivering her 15th child, but she may be ready for more, her family says.

Mother and child were doing well, although Michelle, 37, was feeling some discomfort because the birth was her second by Caesarean section, said her mother-in-law, Mary Duggar.

"She's a trouper. She's just all smiles," Mary Duggar said.

Jackson Levi Duggar was born at 10:52 a.m. Sunday, weighing 7 pounds 8 ounces and measuring 20 inches.

"She was wanting to do it naturally," Mary Duggar said. But the delivery was by C-section because one of Jackson's shoulders was presenting first.

"I call him Jumping Jack because he would go in a circle," she said.

The baby's father, former state legislator Jim Bob Duggar, sounded a bit tired but happy after returning home Monday. He said his wife and new son were doing fine. He said he leaves the decision up to Michelle on whether to have more children.

"I have always left it up to Michelle because she's actually the one that carries them and does all the labor," he said. "But we both love children. Even yesterday, she said she would like to have some more."

Michelle probably will be in Washington Regional Medical Center for three or four days, said her mother-in-law, who is taking care of the 14 other children.

Michelle, who home schools her children and is helping to build the family's new home in Tontitown from the ground up, started having her babies when she was 21, four years after she and Jim Bob married. Her 38-year-old husband is a real estate businessman.

Their children include two sets of twins, and the parents have stuck to the letter "J" for their names. There is Joshua, 16; Jana and John-David, 14; Jill, 13; Jessa, 11; Jinger, 10; Joseph, 9; Josiah, 7; Joy-Anna, 6; Jeremiah and Jedidiah, 5; Jason, 4; James, 2; and Justin, 1
 

T-Dog

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Feb 18, 2004
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Originally posted by LordOpie
if they're not a burden to society, how is it a problem?
Not a burden to society.....yet. I had the same thought: if they can afford it, oh well....but who knows how those kids will turn out- after 18 they may become burdens.... and if they think it's proper to have 15 kids, but don't have the means....uh-oh. And they are probably sending the kids to public school, which means they are using 4 times as much of a publicly-funded resource as an average family, but not paying more.
 

syadasti

i heart mac
Apr 15, 2002
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Originally posted by LordOpie
if they're not a burden to society, how is it a problem?
Originally posted by BostonBullit
aren't we putting enough of a strain on our natural resources as it is without shmucks like this breeding like cockroaches?
^^^^^^^^ :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Try reading what he posted, that helps:D

See examples of China, India, California ;) etc..

Not to mention resource impacts of a first world baby are about 50X that of a third world one.

Additional children are a burden to society - financially and environmentally. Modern, non-farm based culture definately do not need population expansion and studying human population dynamics - do not occur naturally and ultimately will fail (like bacteria killing its host).
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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I dont think you can really put restrictions like that in the states 'realisticly' but I sort of agree in theory.
 

BostonBullit

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Oct 27, 2001
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well I don't think that we should implement a restriction on the number of children someone can have (unless they are being funded by my tax dollars, but that's another post), but this type of thing is a bit nuts. yes, they are home schooled so they aren't a burdon on the school system (I have my own opinions on home schooling, but that too is another post) but in every other way they will impact society. They are going to eat more food, drink and generally use more water, take up more space, etc. etc.

back in the days when you had to work the family farm and/or the infant mortality rate was high you had to have a lot of kids to keep things going; but these days there's almost no reason to be having 15 kids. You get two kids, one to replace you and one to replace your wife. factor in the people that don't breed and then add in the percentage that go above their allotment of 2 and hope to come to an equiblium (spelling is kind of an inside joke from soph physics class at WIT).

quality, not quantity should be the goal.
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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What's the problem here? If everyone was doing it then maybe it's an issue but an isolated incident in Arkansas, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.:rolleyes:
Anyway, aren't the economies of the West based on the understanding that an expanding population base is essential for economic growth? I mean that's why all the Western countries have significant immigration programmes because natural increase is not enough. Indeed in most rich countries population would shrink if not for immigration. This is set to become a serious social and economic problem in the next few decades especially in countries like Japan which have no real immigration programmes. In that light this woman should be applauded for doing her bit for economic growth.:D
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by valve bouncer
What's the problem here? If everyone was doing it then maybe it's an issue but an isolated incident in Arkansas, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.:rolleyes:
I don't think it's an isoloated incident. I think it's a common attitude in a lot of our midwestern states that big families are a good thing. In the past two years I've dated two different guys for very short periods of time that both expressed a desire for their wifey poo to pop out 7 & 10 kids in short order.

My response was...you're barking up the wrong skirt...their's were that I'm not nurturing enough. :p
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Oh yeah, and there's a part of me that believes having a license of some kind to have a child isn't a bad thing...Think how many kids float through the foster care system, or are available for adoption and how hard it is to adopt a child, or the number of orphans in other countries...etc etc. And how often we read things about or see parents with their children and wonder why they haven't been struck down for the things they do to their child.

We're a wealthy nation, perhaps with that comes a sense of social irresponsibilty when it comes to kids, because we know that if we are irresponsible or can't afford it the system finds a way to help us out financially...they can go to school, they don't have to work young, they will be fed if we actually use our food stamps, and if I pop a kid out that I didn't want I can always send them into the foster care system...

Sorry - more of my random rambling...one of those days...:) :p
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
...you're barking up the wrong skirt...
damn, now I'm gonna have that image stuck in my head all day :devil:




Think about large families along this line... we're heading into the first retiring generation who's gonna be supported by a smaller group. Now, the social security topic IS another thread, BUT those 15 kids will likely grow up contributing more than they take out... so :blah:
 

Andyman_1970

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Apr 4, 2003
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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
I think it's a common attitude in a lot of our midwestern states that big families are a good thing.
Bein that I have lived in the midwest/south for all 34 years of my existence, I can say this is not a common attitude. Someone with even 5 kids is a big deal, 7-15 would be news making. So if it's common we (midwesterners) would know more folks that have that many, and we don't.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Bein that I have lived in the midwest/south for all 34 years of my existence, I can say this is not a common attitude. Someone with even 5 kids is a big deal, 7-15 would be news making. So if it's common we (midwesterners) would know more folks that have that many, and we don't.
Huh, weird then that the two guys I dated from the mid-west (one from MN the other from NE) both wanted huge families...

But I guess it's fair to say that those guys stuck out in my head because of how odd it was, because I do know plenty of folks from the midwest with smaller sized families, or aren't ready/in the mood for kids at all.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Huh, weird then that the two guys I dated from the mid-west (one from MN the other from NE) both wanted huge families...
:rolleyes:

come on people, stop with the anecdotal "facts".
 

RhinofromWA

Brevity R Us
Aug 16, 2001
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Originally posted by Andyman_1970
MN & NE explain it..................LOL
My mom is #2 of 12 from a catholic upbringing in central MN......

Father is #2 of 4 farm boys from a lutheran upbringing in northern MN...

I am #1 of 2 raised as a bastard child (church would not accept us as our parents weren't of teh same church) in Western WA...

No facts that you can draw a conclusion from.....but just info.

BTW my grandmother was 4'10" that gave birth 12 times. :eek: Talk about a lot of kids to handle. My mom graduated and left the house when the youngest was still in diapers. :eek:
 

RhinofromWA

Brevity R Us
Aug 16, 2001
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Originally posted by LordOpie
So your mom's youngest sibling is closer in age to you than her?
Yep. Kinda wird huh? But in a span of 17years how are you going to fit 11 kids in (1 died before she reached 10yo) much closer.....

I bet she was 4yo max when my mom left....probably younger.

Rhino
 

BostonBullit

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Oct 27, 2001
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Originally posted by narlus
peter, restricting personal decisions like how many kids someone can have goes against yr libertarian ideals. :p
true true. this is why I am not advocating government imposed limitations on the number of children a person can have (again, unless they are living off the government teet) but I think this womans neighbors/friends/family should have knocked her out and tied her tubes somewhere around kid #5 :devil:
 

ALEXIS_DH

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Jan 30, 2003
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lol!, just checked 3 posts on RM, and noticed a lot of anal people neatpicking about their "hard earnt tax dollars", and about the use of their personal share (worth single digit cents probably) of that money spent on special-ed training or super moms.
i find it more interesting that the more "fiscal responsible" people, the farther to the right they are. and the more likely they are to support extravagant expenses, like wars, etc, etc , without hesitation or questioning.


anyway, well, if you kind of analize that family. well in a darwinian kinda way, her family is a million times more effective and way more of a biological success than your or my family.

i mean, with an offspring of 15 kids, her genes are sure more likely to stay on earth than yours or mine. even if half die, or whatever, they are more likely to stay on earth than the rest of us.
biologically, she is a winner.

the funny thing here is that she has been pregant almort 2 out of 3 days of her entire life!!!!!
:confused:
 

MMike

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Sep 5, 2001
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My mom's theory on this I think is pretty good.

Go ahead and have a couple of kids of your own. Then if you still feel like you want/can afford/have room for/can support more kids, then there are plenty of them out there that need homes.

Which is why when I was 10, my parents took in a 13 year-old Vietnamese kid. And he lived with us until he graduated university when he was 23 or 24. He's essentially my brother.

There really is no good reason to keep making new kids when there are a ton of used ones out there in need.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by MMike
My mom's theory on this I think is pretty good.

Go ahead and have a couple of kids of your own. Then if you still feel like you want/can afford/have room for/can support more kids, then there are plenty of them out there that need homes.

Which is why when I was 10, my parents took in a 13 year-old Vietnamese kid. And he lived with us until he graduated university when he was 23 or 24. He's essentially my brother.

There really is no good reason to keep making new kids when there are a ton of used ones out there in need.
interesting fact about your situation is that your parents just happen to look Vietnamese.
 

BostonBullit

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Oct 27, 2001
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Originally posted by MMike
There really is no good reason to keep making new kids when there are a ton of used ones out there in need.
good lord are you insensative MMike!! the term is "certified pre-owned young adults" ;)
 
Originally posted by LordOpie

Think about large families along this line... we're heading into the first retiring generation who's gonna be supported by a smaller group. Now, the social security topic IS another thread, BUT those 15 kids will likely grow up contributing more than they take out... so :blah:
so what happens when these 15 kids grow up and demand an effective social sevurity system to support each and every one of them?

trust me, i live in california, and I see people having 6, 7, 8 or more kids all the time, everywhere, and i am an oddball being the only kid growing up without a massive amount of siblings. and you wonder why california is f*cked up:(
 

shocktower

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Sep 7, 2001
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But they will be all worn out by theri brothers ,remember it`s Arkansa the wolds capitol of inbreeding


Originally posted by T-Dog

Oh, yeah...says so right there. But I, um...but they...and then... well I just hope the girls turn out to be hotties.
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