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llkoolkeg

llkoolkeg

Ranger LL
Sep 5, 2001
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This is nothing really new. Earlier this Summer, I saw a video of this one soldier shooting dead a wounded irregular that was crawling around. Pretty lame interview of the cat, too, but having never been in a situation remotely as horrifying as that myself, who knows...
 
N8 v2.0

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Slugman

Slugman

Frankenbike
Apr 29, 2004
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N8 said:
Also, according to news reports, it seems that the terrorist was either dead or faking dead... so if he was indeed dead then so what? If he was faking dead then he's got his 72 virgins by now.
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Military officials said some insurgents were known to have attacked US soldiers after luring them in by pretending to be dead and then opening fire.
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It's quite possibly that the Marine saved he and his buddies lives by doing it...
 
zod

zod

Turbo Monkey
Jul 17, 2003
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War has pressures that none of us civilians will ever understand......things like this are going to happen in the heat of battle. Personally I don't think he did anything wrong, the man should not have played possum.
 
Lexx D

Lexx D

Dirty Dozen
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I don't see the big deal. Either the guy was playing dead or he was injured. Either way he was shooting at american soldiers before this happened. So what do you do nurse him back to health so he can come back and try to fight again?
 
CHOP

CHOP

Monkey
Aug 20, 2003
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Being a former Army Ranger, I totally understand this. Hard to send a Marine into a building in which they were earlier getting shot at from and expect him to shake hands with the enemy. Not gonna happen. War is real, especially urban warfare, not a video game.
 
valve bouncer

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Lexx D said:
I don't see the big deal. Either the guy was playing dead or he was injured. Either way he was shooting at american soldiers before this happened. So what do you do nurse him back to health so he can come back and try to fight again?
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Apparently Marines had left the wounded insurgents there the day before and then returned and they were unarmed. Do you advocate a take no prisoners policy?
 
P

PoserNewbie

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Feb 14, 2003
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Yeah, I'm sure this things happen all the time. It is just unfortunate that this one was caught on tape and all the hyprocrite will be crying foul. The fact that this is a war and bad things happen in war. You can thank commander Bush for this one.
 
DRB

DRB

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CHOP said:
Being a former Army Ranger, I totally understand this.
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Understand what?

CHOP said:
Hard to send a Marine into a building in which they were earlier getting shot at from and expect him to shake hands with the enemy. Not gonna happen. War is real, especially urban warfare, not a video game.
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Okay then how come they didn't shoot the second Iraqi who was actually moving?
 
Echo

Echo

crooked smile
Jul 10, 2002
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DRB said:
Understand what?



Okay then how come they didn't shoot the second Iraqi who was actually moving?
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Sounds like you should go over there and help out, since you are an expert of how to handle situations like that.
 
ohio

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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N8 said:
Funny thing is that our media forgets about all the insurgent beheading vid's.
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Yes, let's stoop to the level of the insurgents.
I was mistaken, but I thought we were trying to set a higher standard...


I agree with the others that I can't offer an opinion about this particular marine without knowing the facts, but I can certainly offer an opinion about moronic statements like that.

Even if it is a given that there will be mistakes in combat, we should still be doing what we can to prevent them and demonstrate regret when they occur.
 
Echo

Echo

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DRB said:
I have been places that would have made you crap your pants. So why don't you try it out and then we can talk on equal footing.
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Doubt it. Unless you are much older than you act on here, I was in the Persian Gulf while you were still in elementary school.
 
N8 v2.0

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
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ohio said:
Yes, let's stoop to the level of the insurgents.
I was mistaken, but I thought we were trying to set a higher standard...
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Awwwwwww yeah!... who's yer daddy!!!!?!?!?!!??

:p


I knew it was a short matter of time until one of you "anti-US, I'm movin' to Canada" Lib's said that...

By the way... here's just how much lower we have to go to get on the same level of the terrorists just because you seem totally confused on the matter:

Video believed to show murder of British-Irish aid worker: embassy

BAGHDAD (AFP) - A video appears to show the murder of British Irish aid worker Margaret Hassan, kidnapped in Iraq last month, and is "probably genuine", a spokeswoman at the British embassy in Baghdad said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20041116/wl_nm/iraq_dc-​
 
Echo

Echo

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ohio said:
I agree with the others that I can't offer an opinion about this particular marine without knowing the facts
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With all due respect man, the only "fact" that was probably relevant at that time was the "fact" that insurgents have been playing injured and then shooting marines. Like I said, they made their bed by doing that, now their real injured guys get to lie in it. Sorry but c'est la vie. They made the rules.
 
Andyman_1970

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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Echo said:
With all due respect man, the only "fact" that was probably relevant at that time was the "fact" that insurgents have been playing injured and then shooting marines. Like I said, they made their bed by doing that, now their real injured guys get to lie in it. Sorry but c'est la vie. They made the rules.
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If that's the case, and that was their MO, then if I was doing a "room to room" I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing that Marine did. This is the problem when you don't play by the "rules" as it were.
 
ohio

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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N8 said:
I knew it was a short matter of time until one of you "anti-US, I'm movin' to Canada" Lib's said that...
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You're such a douche. Saying it doesn't make it true... I've been a pretty staunch patriot and have never even hinted at leaving this country.

I am well aware that the insurgents methods are dispicable and we do nothing at all similar. I was addressing YOUR comments, not our actions.

Echo, I hear you and agree somewhat. This guy almost certainly had what was coming to him, or at least can blame his possum buddies for creating the situation. However, that does not remove our obligation to hold ourselves to a high standard. (edit: also, I think you may have DRB confused with DBR or someone else)
 
N8 v2.0

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
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ohio said:
You're such a douche. Saying it doesn't make it true... I've been a pretty staunch patriot and have never even hinted at leaving this country.

I am well aware that the insurgents methods are dispicable and we do nothing at all similar. I was addressing YOUR comments, not our actions.

Echo, I hear you and agree somewhat. This guy almost certainly had what was coming to him, or at least can blame his possum buddies for creating the situation. However, that does not remove our obligation to hold ourselves to a high standard.
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Douche`...

I was broadly generalizing....

However you can ease your troubled mind by knowing the offending marine was removed from the battle space and a full investigation launched. Sounds like an excellent use of military resources to me...

:rolleyes:
 
ohio

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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SF, CA
N8 said:
Sounds like an excellent use of military resources to me...
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Yes. Yes it is.

Like I was saying, it wouldn't suprise me and wouldn't bother me tremendously if similar cases occur all over Iraq, but it is very very important that if any of them become public or are viewed by bystanders that they are publicly and thoroughly investigated. The fact that we have higher standards in warfare than the enemy will mean nothing if we don't demonstrate that every chance we get. Failure to do so jeopardizes not only our public image, but also our ability to raise the enemy's standards which in turn protects our soldiers.

If it means that we have to devote 5 military lawyers and pull 1 marine for every 1 out of 500 cases, that's a great use of resources.

But thank you for your short-sightedness.
 
Andyman_1970

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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ohio said:
Echo, I hear you and agree somewhat. This guy almost certainly had what was coming to him, or at least can blame his possum buddies for creating the situation. However, that does not remove our obligation to hold ourselves to a high standard. (edit: also, I think you may have DRB confused with DBR or someone else)
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Does this supercede our obligation to protect our troops from a combatant that is not "playing by the rules"?
 
BurlyShirley

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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Andyman_1970 said:
Does this supercede our obligation to protect our troops from a combatant that is not "playing by the rules"?
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If winning this war involves winning the hearts and minds, then yes.
 
N8 v2.0

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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BurlyShirley said:
If winning this war involves winning the hearts and minds, then yes.
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But if that happens then this wouldn't be another Vietnam and what would the anti-war/anti-Bush folks do?


Perhaps stage yet another Woodstock concert...?
 
N8 v2.0

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
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DRB said:
Guessing you mean KERREY, as in Bob Kerrey former Democratic Senator from Nebraska.
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Nah... JF Kerry... as in, "shoot the wounded VietCong freedom fighter in the back and get a Bronze Star" Kerry...
 
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