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Freak

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Aug 15, 2001
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Navy Capt. Ouimette is the XO at NAS, Pensacola.

Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency The attack on this sovereign U S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and downsized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

America wants to treat these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?

The Snooze alarm is depressed again. Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.

America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "...it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year. This is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.
 

Freak

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Originally posted by Skookum
it's too bad that now we're awake we got a bungling idiot piloting the "kick-ass" machine
Honestly I don't think that America is truely awake yet. I see a couple more tragedys happening before we truely wake up.
 

$tinkle

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this is akin to the drunken frat boy who passes out during any arbitrary event & he wakes up cleanly shaven & magic marker drawn all over him (if he was lucky enough to not have truly cruel people mess w/ him). Sure, he woke up for maybe a minute or two during the "ritual", heard some snickers & went back to sleep.

lifestyle change & discipline is what's necessary to make this situation unlikely to occur. Sacrifice a little fun & grow up. Damn i sound old.
 

MMike

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Sep 5, 2001
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sure. "Something" needs to happen. too bad nobody knows what that "something" is. An actual PLAN would be good.

Liberal or conservative, I don't too many people disagree that a problem exists. But just randomly throwing people at the problem, (many to their premature demise), is going to solve anything.
 

Ridemonkey

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I'm all for kicken butt and taken names. I just don't agree with how it's being done. The mandroid is not the man for the job.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by Ridemonkey
I'm all for kicken butt and taken names. I just don't agree with how it's being done. The mandroid is not the man for the job.
how should it be done then? I have yet to hear an alternate plan from another candidate.
 

Serial Midget

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Hind sight is always 20/20 so I don't put much stock in those that point out the problems of the past - revisionist history isn't rocket science. You can take any event in history and turn it into a plausible arguement for just about anything you want.

Terrorism might be considered an act of war but waging a traditional "war" against terrorism doesn't seem like a reasonable solution either - at this point we only know that what we are doing now is not effective.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by Serial Midget
at this point we only know that what we are doing now is not effective.
Going into afghanistan, dismantling the Taliban and fragmenting Al-Queda wasnt effective?

Define effective for me, please.
 

Ridemonkey

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Going into afghanistan, dismantling the Taliban and fragmenting Al-Queda wasnt effective?

Define effective for me, please.
Well I'd say anything the mandroid does is not effective. So let's do the stuff he's not doing. :D
 

golgiaparatus

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Aug 30, 2002
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I am unclear as to what the cause was of the 1979 Embassy takeover...

What did the "terrorists" want? What were they trying to gain?

I know there was pure insanity going on there that year, there were violent demonstrations everywhere and just about anything and everyone was in danger because the government had rescently been overthrown and there was basically a very complex, unorganized, and violent religeous & political power struggle going on.

Anyway, Im sure that what was said in that article has merit, however, was the incident in 1979 simply caused by the turmoil of the region or was it some kind of anti American terrorism deal?

I think there is a chance that it was simple a case of the US Embassy getting caught up in something (i.e. wrong place wrong time). I have read some about what was happening at the time and I can see absolutely NO excuse why our countrymen were not evacuated form the area.

Anyway, I would be interested to know what incident was the first of the anti American "demonstrations" and what its reasoning was.
 

$tinkle

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Originally posted by Serial Midget
Hind sight is always 20/20 so I don't put much stock in those that point out the problems of the past - revisionist history isn't rocket science. You can take any event in history and turn it into a plausible arguement for just about anything you want.
as in: anyone who espouses any religion (especially christianity) must be an intolerant, blowharded, nutbag, because some idjut sleighted you once by expressing their differing opinion, to which they had the gall to believe they were entitled.


step 1 of 12 my friend.
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by Ridemonkey
Well I'd say anything the mandroid does is not effective. So let's do the stuff he's not doing. :D
drill in anwar? What about those cute hydrogen powered segways he promised?
 

Serial Midget

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Originally posted by $tinkle
as in: anyone who espouses any religion (especially christianity) must be an intolerant, blowharded, nutbag, because some idjut sleighted you once by expressing their differing opinion, to which they had the gall to believe they were entitled.
Yes. You are much brighter than I originally thought. :)
 

Serial Midget

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
Define effective for me, please.
In the context of our current situation I would say that effective is anything that nets a possitive result with a minimun loss of life while retaining what little respect we have left among our allies and peer nations. :)
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by Serial Midget
In the context of our current situation I would say that effective is anything that nets a possitive result with a minimun loss of life while retaining what little respect we have left among our allies and peer nations. :)
...and you dont think Afghanistan was a perfect example of that?
 

narlus

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Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.
so why are only americans (and perhaps israelis) targeted? when was the last time a norweigan, irish, peruvian, greek, (fill in the blank) embassy was overtaken? what is the root cause? could it be our foreign policies?
 

MMike

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Originally posted by narlus
so why are only americans (and perhaps israelis) targeted? when was the last time a norweigan, irish, peruvian, greek, (fill in the blank) embassy was overtaken? what is the root cause? could it be our foreign policies?
"It's not you. It's me"?
 

LordOpie

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Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by narlus
so why are only americans (and perhaps israelis) targeted? when was the last time a norweigan, irish, peruvian, greek, (fill in the blank) embassy was overtaken? what is the root cause? could it be our foreign policies?
what about Spain, Jordan, Saudia Arabia... ?
 

Slugman

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:confused: So according to this guy the US has been quitely minding it's own business and not interfearing with anyone and the terrorist just decided to attack us?

Too much listening to Shrub and his 'they hate us because we have freedom' crap. :angry:

If you want to stop terrorist - look at why they are terrorist, not the actions that define them as such.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by Slugman

If you want to stop terrorist - look at why they are terrorist, not the actions that define them as such.
You mean the "America is the great Satan. We will not stop until all americans are dead" part?
 

narlus

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Originally posted by LordOpie
what about Spain, Jordan, Saudia Arabia... ?
i haven't followed the news in a while...when did their embassies get overrun?

i was in london last weekend, staying on grosvenor sq where the US embassy is. the canadian and indonesian embassies are there too. didn't take too much to figure out which was which. just follow the concrete barriers and machine gun-toting guards.

:dead:
 

Slugman

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
You mean the "America is the great Satan. We will not stop until all americans are dead" part?
Basically, yes. Do you really think that our actions have convinced ANYONE in the middle east (or parts of asia or africa) that we are not? What have we done to counter this opinion?

The roots of their hatred is what? They just woke up one mornign and decided to hate us?

Yeah, we should not have let all the actions over the years go without some sort of response, but our responses need to include more than just killing people...
 

LordOpie

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Originally posted by narlus
i haven't followed the news in a while...when did their embassies get overrun?
why does it specifically have to be embassies? A terrorist attack is just that.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by Slugman

The roots of their hatred is what? They just woke up one mornign and decided to hate us?
The root of their hatred is a twisting of islam to meet the causes of some extremists. It is a blind hatred of all things jewish and christian, and all causes that go to support it, which is what they see the US (and israel) as. So long as the US remains predominantly christian, and has interests in the middle east, these types will never want to peacefully coexist. You live in a dreamworld if you dont think what im saying is true.
 

Slugman

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Originally posted by BurlySurly
The root of their hatred is a twisting of islam to meet the causes of some extremists. It is a blind hatred of all things jewish and christian, and all causes that go to support it, which is what they see the US (and israel) as. So long as the US remains predominantly christian, and has interests in the middle east, these types will never want to peacefully coexist. You live in a dreamworld if you dont think what im saying is true.
Ok... I can agree with that (although I think there are other factors including our F'ing with their governments by placing our puppets) - So then why has it spread so far? Why is it generally accepted and become more the norm than the exception to hate the US?
 

LordOpie

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Originally posted by Slugman
So then why has it spread so far? Why is it generally accepted and become more the norm than the exception to hate the US?
religious and political propoganda. Don't get me wrong, the US does piss people off, but the average person is cattle and follows... especially in parts of the world where free exchange of ideas and info are far more limited.
 

narlus

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Originally posted by LordOpie
why does it specifically have to be embassies? A terrorist attack is just that.
i only brought up the embassies as that was in the 1st post (the iranians overcoming the US embassy in tehran).

agreed that terrorist attacks are just that, but the western-jihad battle seems to be weighted towards a US-jihad slant. again, why is that?
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by Slugman
So then why has it spread so far? Why is it generally accepted and become more the norm than the exception to hate the US?
I dont think its the NORM to hate the US. I have alot of friends in alot of countries that say quite the opposite. They say that, just like here, those who shout the loudest get the most attention. Now, i wont say that there isnt a large amount of anti-US sentiment out there, but its just like anything IMO. Half the people think the glass is half empty. Half the people think the music city miracle was a forward lateral. half the people think kerry should be president. etc. etc. etc.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by LordOpie
religious and political propoganda. Don't get me wrong, the US does piss people off, but the average person is cattle and follows... especially in parts of the world where free exchange of ideas and info are far more limited.
and to add to that:

How many vehicles do you see driving around with american flags and yellow ribbons on them everywhere you go? TONS! Does the support of these people ever make a headline? No. What does make headlines? 42 Hippies outside the gate of an army base chanting "Bush Sucks"

Here are some facts you wont see on news simply because good news doesnt sell:
Economy: Iraq’s economy is on the path to recovery and prosperity:
l Unemployment has fallen by nearly one-half over the past year.
l Inflation is a quarter of what it was before the war.
l For the first time in decades, Iraqi marketplaces are filled with consumer goods.
l The Coalition Provisional Authority has created more than 395,000 jobs for Iraqis.
Education
l All 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open.
l Almost 2,500 schools have been rehabilitated
l 32,000 secondary school teachers and administrative staff have been trained;
l More than 8.7 million textbooks have been printed and distributed.
Health Care:
l Health care spending in Iraq is 30 times greater than its pre-war levels.
l All 240 hospitals and more than 1,200 health clinics are open.
l More than 5 million children have been immunized for measles, mumps and rubella.
Essential Services: Essential services are improving:
l Electricity generation has surpassed prewar levels and is more evenly distributed.
l The number of telephone subscribers, including cell phones, is nearly one-third above pre-war levels.
l As of May 4, estimated crude oil export revenue was more than $5.6 billion for 2004.
Governance and Political Freedoms:
l The Transitional Administrative Law (TAL), which was signed by all members of the Iraqi Governing Council in March, will govern Iraq’s transition period beginning June 30. Assurances include:
l freedom of religion;
l freedom of expression;
l freedom of the press (170 newspapers are being published in Iraq); and
l freedom of assembly.
l The TAL also calls for equal rights for all citizens regardless of ethnicity, denomination or sex.
l More than 90 percent of Iraqi towns and provinces have local councils.
l More than half of Iraqis are active in community affairs, and one in five belongs to a non-governmental organization.
l Twelve government ministries have transitioned to full Iraqi authority.
l Iraq has a functioning judiciary to provide equal justice for all.
Security
l Saddam Hussein is in prison. His sons are dead. Forty-six of the 55 “most-wanted” have been captured or killed.
l More than 200,000 Iraqis are serving in their country’s security forces.
l More than 30 countries are contributing some 25,000 troops to help Iraq.
 

BurlyShirley

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Originally posted by BuddhaRoadkill
I'll see your right wing propaganda and raise you some left wing propaganda ...

Dissecting a Chain Letter
Wow, you must've totally missed that other thread, because this has already been discussed. Did you notice that the facts in your disected chainletter are not the same facts that I posted, or are you just trying to slide one by me?
Im not sure you know what I do for a living, but these are DoD numbers I have. They didnt come from a chainletter.:rolleyes:
 

DHRacer

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Originally posted by Skookum
it's too bad that now we're awake we got a bungling idiot piloting the "kick-ass" machine
and you think you would do a better job?

Skooky, i gotta say, my respect for has somewhat dimminished. :(