[shock]

I think this post might piss some people off for it's blatant promotional intent....

But I am so STOKED that Fabien Barel won the WC on a Brake Therapy equipped Stab, and Mio Suimesa nabbed 2nd in the womens's class on a Brake Therapy equipped Deisel.

Not that we can claim any real credit, Fabien's a mad man, and could win on a huffy, and even though Tracy might have won if she hadn't been injured, Mio, at maybe 87 pounds soaking wet, managed to grab the much maligned Deisel by the scruff of the neck, and spank all but one...pure hallin ass riding..

I am just fvckin thrilled to have stuff on those bikes, (and we didn't pay them to use it either...)

And the most ironically cool thing is that the floater on Fabien's bike is the geometry that nobody, myself included, though would be a benefit over a "neutral" floater. I really do love being proved wrong, it keeps me awake...

Anyway, we're (Therapy Components) are an insignificantly small company, and this is a major milestone, so I thought I'd bug everyone with my glee....

Oh, and Fabien and Tracy won the Maxxis Cup championship too.....cool, at least for me...

Brian

Come by and see us at Intebike, booth #160

 

[TWISTED]

Cool, congratulations!

I thought of you guys today when I was asked if Mountain Cycle's floating disc brake kit, designed for the 9point5, would fit on an old Shockwave. I told him that it wouldn't because of the different front mounting locations. The rear mounts are the same though.

You should ad a link to Brake/Shock Therapy as your signature.

 

[Slacker]

I just thought that was a kickstand on Fabien's ride.

 

[shock]

Cool, congratulations!

I thought of you guys today when I was asked if Mountain Cycle's floating disc brake kit, designed for the 9point5, would fit on an old Shockwave. I told him that it wouldn't because of the different front mounting locations. The rear mounts are the same though.

You should ad a link to Brake/Shock Therapy as your signature.

Thanks, we've been toiling away for awhile, so this is just cool to get these results...

Oh and doesn't the 9.5 floater uses an "under the swingarm" pull rod floater. The shockwave doesn't have the attachment point for the rod. We do make a very effective floater for the shockwave however...

Ya, I know I need the link, and a new website, and some more time to ride (lame excuses all)

www.therapycomponents.com

 

[TWISTED]

Thanks, we've been toiling away for awhile, so this is just cool to get these results...

Oh and doesn't the 9.5 floater uses an "under the swingarm" pull rod floater. The shockwave doesn't have the attachment point for the rod. We do make a very effective floater for the shockwave however...

Ya, I know I need the link, and a new website, and some more time to ride (lame excuses all)

www.therapycomponents.com

Yes the 9point5 floater pulls from underneath connected to a three way mount that bolts to the linkage. I had not seen a photo of your's for awhile, that's why I commented on the link, so I could check it out.

 

[shock]

I just thought that was a kickstand on Fabien's ride.

Ha!, you know, that may well be what he uses it for!!!! Maybe that's what he means by "squat and thrust" (or maybe that's just a french thing).

But whatever, if it works for him it works for me!!!

 

[shock]

Yes the 9point5 floater pulls from underneath connected to a three way mount that bolts to the linkage. I had not seen a photo of your's for awhile, that's why I commented on the link, so I could check it out.

I'm gonna see if I can dig up the old shockwave pic. It's in the archives somewhere....

 

[WheelieMan]

Oh, your title fooled me. I thought you meant that minaar was also using one of your floaters.

 

[dw]

Yeah Brian, that is pretty damn sick, congratulations man! I remember when Sam won juniors on my bike and it was an awesome feeling.



Dave

 

[punkassean]

Congrats!

Fabiens run was inspiring to say the least.

Do you know if the factory Kona's for '05 will have the same Fabien "Squat & Load" floater's or a more typical nuetral floater (like most of us non world champs would probably prefer)?

Congrats again on the great results!

(p.s. notice in the pic how Fabien's shock links are milled out to be stupid light. I have noticed all of his bikes are whittled down to practically nothing. This tells me there isn't a single component on his bikes that he doesn't believe he needs. And that tells me he really likes your product!)

 

[BMXman]

Hey shock since you posted I have been hearing that your floater works better than the stock unit that comes on the Orange 223. Is there anything to that. I would imagine they would be the same but I'm hearing different. Can you clarify?

Also do you have a pic of the Diesel with your floater installed?...D

 

[DßR]

(p.s. notice in the pic how Fabien's shock links are milled out to be stupid light. I have noticed all of his bikes are whittled down to practically nothing. This tells me there isn't a single component on his bikes that he doesn't believe he needs. And that tells me he really likes your product!)

Yeah, that or he needs to get rid of every gram b/c that frame is such a tank!!!

As a side note, I couldn't help but notice in that pic that the WC was won on a 888 with STOCK high-rise crowns....

 

[punkassean]

Yeah, that or he needs to get rid of every gram b/c that frame is such a tank!!!

As a side note, I couldn't help but notice in that pic that the WC was won on a 888 with STOCK high-rise crowns....

Hey! The '05 frame is lighter!

My friend has his '04 Stab Primo built to 39lbs!
• 7" 888R
• Romic /Ti
• EX823's
etc...

Also Fabien runs his 888 at 7" and you know the crowns are as low as possible. And of course the frame geometry is designed around that exact fork.

 

[Dingus McGee]

That must feel great! Congrats!!!!, I know you guys have been toiling (midgets?) for a w h i l e ........bust out the rainbow stripes stickers on your stuph, eh. Good for you!

 

[CBJ]

All power to the floater - see now I don't have to talk in same about the floater on my 222 because all of the pros take off their floater. Keep it on Peaty and you will win next year

And congratualtion to Brian.

 

[shock]

I'm gonna see if I can dig up the old shockwave pic. It's in the archives somewhere....

Ok, here it is

 

[shock]

Oh, your title fooled me. I thought you meant that minaar was also using one of your floaters.

Yeah, that might have been a little sneaky, but I was just trying to condense the title.

I did approach the Honda guys at Mt. Snow, I would've slapped one on right there, but they politely declined, saying they were working on there own. Not that I expected they would really need our help...but it is nice to beat them...

 

[shock]

Yeah Brian, that is pretty damn sick, congratulations man! I remember when Sam won juniors on my bike and it was an awesome feeling.



Dave

Yeah thanks Dave. I know this isn't quite as cool as having your own bike design win, but it'll do for now, until we have a bike as well......

I have enjoyed that feeling in car racing though, and the only thing better is if I could've been the driver as well. But still, being able to ride or drive stuff that you design and make is what I call "full circle engineering". It's what gets me up in the morning (ok maybe after that)

 

[shock]

Congrats!

Fabiens run was inspiring to say the least.

Do you know if the factory Kona's for '05 will have the same Fabien "Squat & Load" floater's or a more typical nuetral floater (like most of us non world champs would probably prefer)?

Congrats again on the great results!

(p.s. notice in the pic how Fabien's shock links are milled out to be stupid light. I have noticed all of his bikes are whittled down to practically nothing. This tells me there isn't a single component on his bikes that he doesn't believe he needs. And that tells me he really likes your product!)

The word is that the '05's will have both rod attachment points, so you'll have the option to squat or load.

Yeah, the weight weenie effect is in full swing in DH, and that's a pretty light floater with a carbon rod, but earlier he was racing with the heavier production version. Like most people, he didn't feel the weight, he felt the performance gain.

The lightweight dh trend is probably unfortunate, as it does increase the separation between a factory pro and a privateer trying to get there on a production bike. It also makes the bikes a throw away item, which obviously no privateer can afford. Maybe a minimum weight would be a good idea....40 pounds?

Still, it's funny, I remember in the old days when people would race the Kamakazi with extra water bottles and lead weights so they could go faster....

And thanks for the comments...

 

[shock]

Hey shock since you posted I have been hearing that your floater works better than the stock unit that comes on the Orange 223. Is there anything to that. I would imagine they would be the same but I'm hearing different. Can you clarify?

Also do you have a pic of the Diesel with your floater installed?...D

Hmmm, I can't seem to find a pic of the Orange. I'll keep looking, but it's basically similar to the Bullit floater. The floater and rod are above the swingarm, but the factory 223 floater is a pull rod unit mounted below the swingarm.

When I first started designing floaters, I rejected those designs for two reasons. One is the obvious vulnerability factor. I kept saying I could barely keep a derailler on the bike, but at least I could ride down a mountain without it. I absolutely did not want the rear brake function to be exposed in that way.

But the other reason was the lack of available real estate to get the geometry I was after. There is only so much room available, and/or attachment points. I feel that most of those designs have a compromised geometry, because there simply isn't the freedom to put the rod where you want it.

Now granted, many of our aftermarket floaters are also compromised to deal with various bike geometries and physical interference limitations, but we seem to be able to keep those limitations to a point where nobody notices. As I've said before, if you're getting 90% of the improvement, the other 10% isn'r so noticable.

And here's the Deisel, although we eventually shortened the rod a little bit.

 

[spookydave]

being able to ride or drive stuff that you design and make is what I call "full circle engineering". It's what gets me up in the morning (ok maybe after that)

Now that's what I live for too. Sit down and think about something, draw it up, make a proto type and get it on the starting line on race day.

Congrats on the milestone!

 

[Nately27]

Hey Shock, Congratulations man, thats awesome. I would like to get one for my 2002 stab and have been meaning to ask you where i could get one in Virginia. I also have hope hubs, which ive heard arent compatible. Whats the scoop on those? and what hubs would work if not those?

 

[shock]

That must feel great! Congrats!!!!, I know you guys have been toiling (midgets?) for a w h i l e ........bust out the rainbow stripes stickers on your stuph, eh. Good for you!

Midgets??? I keep waiting for the elves to come in at night and finish my work, but I'm still waiting...lazy elves

I like the rainbow stripes idea, and certainly a big poster at Interbike, hell and maybe even an ad, and a new website, and.... Better not get carried away though, I have work to do (unless I can find those elves)

Thanks for the good word

 

[shock]

All power to the floater - see now I don't have to talk in same about the floater on my 222 because all of the pros take off their floater. Keep it on Peaty and you will win next year

And congratualtion to Brian.

Yeah, I probably need to talk to Peat again. I actually had him agree to test our floater last year, but for a variety of (lame) reasons didn't follow through. He might still be interested though.

Funny thing about pros taking things off and putting them on their bikes. Sometimes they are even more susceptable to pressure from what the other guy is doing than the general public is.

In car racing I called it the purple wicker syndrome, if you win a racing with a purple wicker (an aerodynamic tab on a wing), then next race everyone will show up with a purple wicker...

 

[shock]

Now that's what I live for too. Sit down and think about something, draw it up, make a proto type and get it on the starting line on race day.

Congrats on the milestone!

Thanks spookydave!

Ansd the nice thing about bikes is I actually get to ride my own stuff. In car racing, I rarely got to drive the race cars, and even then, it was pretty difficult to get close enough to the limit to evaluate changes or new designs. Not that I can get close to, say, Fabien Barel's limits, but I can still feel the effects of what I changed, in many cases on the very same race course.

 

[shock]

Hey Shock, Congratulations man, thats awesome. I would like to get one for my 2002 stab and have been meaning to ask you where i could get one in Virginia. I also have hope hubs, which ive heard arent compatible. Whats the scoop on those? and what hubs would work if not those?

If you have a good shop you deal with, have them give us a call, 765 528-2138, if you don't have any luck with that, give us a call.

The floater does work with Hope hubs. In fact on the stab 12 mm axle, it's very close to the Ringle kit. Doesn't the loose spacer fall out when you pull the axle out?

 

[BMXman]

Hmmm, I can't seem to find a pic of the Orange. I'll keep looking, but it's basically similar to the Bullit floater. The floater and rod are above the swingarm, but the factory 223 floater is a pull rod unit mounted below the swingarm.

When I first started designing floaters, I rejected those designs for two reasons. One is the obvious vulnerability factor. I kept saying I could barely keep a derailler on the bike, but at least I could ride down a mountain without it. I absolutely did not want the rear brake function to be exposed in that way.

But the other reason was the lack of available real estate to get the geometry I was after. There is only so much room available, and/or attachment points. I feel that most of those designs have a compromised geometry, because there simply isn't the freedom to put the rod where you want it.

Now granted, many of our aftermarket floaters are also compromised to deal with various bike geometries and physical interference limitations, but we seem to be able to keep those limitations to a point where nobody notices. As I've said before, if you're getting 90% of the improvement, the other 10% isn'r so noticable.

And here's the Deisel, although we eventually shortened the rod a little bit.

so do I need to run a specific hub in the rear or will any hub do? I tried your website but there isn't much info there....D

 

[Repack]

small company + big results = a little spamage is OK under these circumstances.
Good job, guys!
So was the Stab setup Kona's idea or BT's?

I think this post might piss some people off for it's blatant promotional intent....

I think that if you piss anyone off, it will be because when/if the next Brake Floater Pissing Contest Debate thread starts, you will have the "Neener neener neener!!!" factor planted firmly in your corner.

Wicked cool!

 

[bpatterson6]

You guys should redesign the BRAKE THERAPY just a Tiny bit, so you can use Hope Mono 6 Ti Calipers. I want Brake Therapy!!

 

[shock]

so do I need to run a specific hub in the rear or will any hub do? I tried your website but there isn't much info there....D

Once again, I apologize for the out of date, lack of information available on the website. I PROMISE, after Interbike, an updated and/or new website (notice I didn't say how long after...)

If it's a bike with qr dropouts, any DT, Hugi, Hayes, Magura, Ringle, Hope, Chris King (yes Chris King!), some formula, and of course Hadley hubs can be used. The Hadley being the hot setup with the 10 mm thru axle conversion.

For thru axle bikes, a little more limited. Currently Hadley, Ringle, DT/FR and some Formula hubs can be used.

As always call 765 528-2138 to get an updated list. We're trying to add more hubs (and bikes) every day. I'm sure after Interbike, I'll have more to add, like the Saint, which we're working on now.

Brian

 

[BMXman]

Once again, I apologize for the out of date, lack of information available on the website. I PROMISE, after Interbike, an updated and/or new website (notice I didn't say how long after...)

If it's a bike with qr dropouts, any DT, Hugi, Hayes, Magura, Ringle, Hope, Chris King (yes Chris King!), some formula, and of course Hadley hubs can be used. The Hadley being the hot setup with the 10 mm thru axle conversion.

For thru axle bikes, a little more limited. Currently Hadley, Ringle, DT/FR and some Formula hubs can be used.

As always call 765 528-2138 to get an updated list. We're trying to add more hubs (and bikes) every day. I'm sure after Interbike, I'll have more to add, like the Saint, which we're working on now.

Brian

cool I have the Hadley with the 10mm through axle...I'll be calling you soon

 

[SlackBoy]

and even though Tracy might have won if she hadn't been injured, Mio, at maybe 87 pounds soaking wet, managed to grab the much maligned Deisel by the scruff of the neck, and spank all but one...pure hallin ass riding..

hate to be picky but my patriotism demands it. She beat all but TWO, Junior chick Scarlet hagen as well, 2 kiwis we rock as much as your stuff does

 

[shock]

small company + big results = a little spamage is OK under these circumstances.
Good job, guys!
So was the Stab setup Kona's idea or BT's?



I think that if you piss anyone off, it will be because when/if the next Brake Floater Pissing Contest Debate thread starts, you will have the "Neener neener neener!!!" factor planted firmly in your corner.

Wicked cool!

Well, I'm not sure where th eidea originated, (probably a hundred years ago with horse and buggies), but Fabien approached me with the idea, while apologizing and thinking I would object because it goes against my preaching of "neutral" braking response.

But at the time I said (and in hindsite, am I glad I did!!), if that's what makes you go faster, I'm glad to provide the parts to make it happen. And I meant it! Somewhere there's a thread where I showed this geometry and discussed it with the naysayers (myself included). So I certainly can't claim any visionary genius that came up with the idea, I just gave 'em the parts to make it happen, and I'm very happy to do so...

Even I have to admit, all my ideas aren't right all the time, but by keeping an open mind, some success might rub off anyway....

And BTW, I never go "neener neener neener" unless I can put my thumb on my nose and wiggle my fingers to show that I mean it.....

 

[grimm]

And BTW, I never go "neener neener neener" unless I can put my thumb on my nose and wiggle my fingers to show that I mean it.....

*Visualizes and smiles*

I liked my Lobo therapy kit, before the frame died...

 

[BMXman]

ok Shock I hope you have a diesel kit in stock....D

 

[shock]

You guys should redesign the BRAKE THERAPY just a Tiny bit, so you can use Hope Mono 6 Ti Calipers. I want Brake Therapy!!

That should be available next year....

 

[shock]

hate to be picky but my patriotism demands it. She beat all but TWO, Junior chick Scarlet hagen as well, 2 kiwis we rock as much as your stuff does

I'm cool with that. Thanks

 

[shock]

ok Shock I hope you have a diesel kit in stock....D

They're in stock, just make sure your deisel has the 8 mm threaded boss in the seattube to attach the rod..

 

[BMXman]

They're in stock, just make sure your deisel has the 8 mm threaded boss in the seattube to attach the rod..

it does...if I call you today can I get it before the weekend?....D