[dfinn]

I have an '04 DHR and I am trying to install an set of couple year old hayes mags. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't get the pads to line up correctly. I looked closer and the adapter I have doesn't sit flush because of a weld on the frame. The adapter I am using was taken off a '03 Giant DH Team. Do I need to get a special adapter? From Turner?

I was hoping to ride this bike this weekend.

 

[Jeremy R]

I have an '04 DHR and I am trying to install an set of couple year old hayes mags. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't get the pads to line up correctly. I looked closer and the adapter I have doesn't sit flush because of a weld on the frame. The adapter I am using was taken off a '03 Giant DH Team. Do I need to get a special adapter? From Turner?

I was hoping to ride this bike this weekend.

No, you can just take a file and shave off just enough to clear the weld.
A grinder will work even faster if you have access to one.

 

[Cave Dweller]

No, you can just take a file and shave off just enough to clear the weld.
A grinder will work even faster if you have access to one.

Just to clarify, file the adaptor, not the frame

 

[dfinn]

oh sh!t




















just kidding. i'll take the dremel to it tomorrow. Do I just need to grind a groove into it for where the weld is?

 

[Slacker]

i'll take the dremel to it tomorrow. Do I just need to grind a groove into it for where the weld is?

Basically, yes. Although I had to use the mill wheel with my Dremel, and remove a lot of material on mine. It would've taken for ever to use a file :mumble:

 

[lovebunny]

umm drill the adapter, not the frame

 

[bizutch]

yeah...bibs should have told you about that...shame on him.

 

[oly]

I wouldnt say that BIBS is at fault here. Ive had to grind down adapters on a few different bikes. Sometimes theres just interference. Thats part of building a bike.

A side note, avid adapters dont need to be ground on and they are the same as hayes.

 

[SpeedyObnox]

grinding those things is a pain in the ass! they get so freakin hot. damn that aluminum is hard! i wish everything were perfect...

 

[dfinn]

yeah...bibs should have told you about that...shame on him.

Don't get me started on that just yet. There's a whole list of things that are/were wrong with the bike that he forgot to mention. I will be posting details sometime today to help other buyers avoid problems with him in the future.

 

[bibs]

Don't get me started on that just yet. There's a whole list of things that are/were wrong with the bike that he forgot to mention. I will be posting details sometime today to help other buyers avoid problems with him in the future.

here we go... just remember theres two sides to the story....but Ill let you bash me all day long...

 

[dfinn]

so are you going to call me a liar about all the things that are wrong with the bike? most of which you knew about but didn't tell me until after the sale.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

What happened?

 

[bibs]

I never said you were a liar, but I never lied to you. at the same time...what did you expect..I told you about what I new about and for the price you go tth ebike for did you expect a brand new bike? I told you I raced it for a year, and rode whislter. ...you got a screaming deal..I would bitch to much.....

 

[bibs]

hes bitter due to small prob;lems with the frame and BB, I sold him a Frame, headset , Bb, cranks and E.13 for 1050 shipped...and he had to replace things...the shock (di) bushings were out and I sent new ones...he just doesnt know how to work on a bike...same thing with your Gaint back wheel not fitting due to dish...come on man ..is that my fualt too?

 

[bibs]

oh yea, and I would have helped him out, but he threatened to bash me..so **** it..I wont help a dick..

 

[dfinn]

Ok, here's a quick version of my side:

the frame was packed horribly. thrown in a bike box with no packing whatsoever. the only thing that was protected was the cranks, a nasty, dirty t-shirt was wrapped around those. he claims he didn't ship it but it's still his responsibility to make sure it gets shipped properly and on time.

2 out of 4 of the pinch bolts that hold the rear axle are stripped.

1 out of 3 bolts that holds the e.13 boomerang on was sheared off.

the threads on the cranks for the pedals were mangled

there is a ball bearing missing from the headset. i'm not even sure how that is done but it sure seems like the type of thing you would notice when taking apart the bike.

the DU bushings and the reducers that press into them on the romic shock were completely shot. The bike had a bunch of play in it because of this. Very noticeable, to the point where I would say it shouldn't be ridding like that. But because it was ridden like that I believe the hole for the shock mount bolt has become "over sized". So even after I replace all DU bushings and reducers there's still a noticeable clunk.

Bottom bracket was completely shot.


None of these things he told me about before buying the bike. Almost all of these things he knew about after I recieved the bike and called him on the phone. He refuses to provide me a partial refund for any of this. He claims that since he gave me such a good deal on the frame that these are my problems. I personally would never buy anything from him again.

 

[dfinn]

hes bitter due to small prob;lems with the frame and BB, I sold him a Frame, headset , Bb, cranks and E.13 for 1050 shipped...and he had to replace things...the shock (di) bushings were out and I sent new ones...he just doesnt know how to work on a bike...same thing with your Gaint back wheel not fitting due to dish...come on man ..is that my fualt too?

I might not be a bike mechanic but the bike you sent me had 2 stripped screws, one sheared off bolt head and bushings that were completely toast. Had you told me of all the things that were wrong with the bike up front I would not have bought it. Just because you raced it and rode whistler with it doesn't mean you didn't need to do regular maintenance on it.

 

[dfinn]

oh yea, and I would have helped him out, but he threatened to bash me..so **** it..I wont help a dick..

I never threatened to bash you. I said that I would have to take it to RM if you didn't get back to me. I sent you PMs and left you VMs and you were not getting back to me.

So I have about $100 into the bike so far and I still need to figure out what this clunk is in the suspension. I think it's the hollowed out shock mount from you riding it with shot bushing. That should be an interesting fix.

 

[bibs]

and we talked about this from the start, when you asked about the bolt I admitted that it was fualt and I was sorry for not telling you, the two rear bolts must have happened at the shop. I NEVER had problems with them..the BB was fine when it was here...I was honest with you on everything...if you done belive me thats your deal...the headset bearing might have poped out in transit, easy fix...go to a bike shop and get a bb for .3$ Im sorry for the crappy shipping from the shop..i talked them about that alos...that is funked up , I admit..but I dont work there, I have no control over it...

 

[dfinn]

you do have control over it. you chose to ship through them so it's your responsibility. there's no way you could've thought that BB was fine. I have the old one in a box out in my truck that I can send back to you. I can also get a signed letter from my mechanic who put a hand on the frame, spun the cranks and said "wow, that's toast". the bottom line is that you were not honest with me. and it's not such a great deal after you figure in the money I've put into it so far and will probably have to put more into it, along with the time and frustration.

 

[bibs]

I never threatened to bash you. I said that I would have to take it to RM if you didn't get back to me. I sent you PMs and left you VMs and you were not getting back to me.

So I have about $100 into the bike so far and I still need to figure out what this clunk is in the suspension. I think it's the hollowed out shock mount from you riding it with shot bushing. That should be an interesting fix.

So due to me not being around for the weekend, when i get home I have a message,..."if you dont respond to me I will take this public on RM or somthing" ...so whats that? yea, anyways, Im done dealing with you, I am sorry you are unhappy for a killer frame you paid less than half for ...but Im not gonna give you 4 cents here, 5 dollars here...when we originally made the deal, you seemd cool, I tolds you the cransk were beat..and you said I dont care I need somthing for now so I can ride...I have the email still..you knew all tis BUT..the bolt issue in the beggining.

 

[dfinn]

i've never once emailed you. and I have all the PMs that you ever sent me.

but Im not gonna give you 4 cents here, 5 dollars here

well, how about $60 for BB, $20 for DU bushings and reducers?

If you don't want to work with me on this that's fine, but I am going to make sure that people know the truth.

 

[bibs]

you do have control over it. you chose to ship through them so it's your responsibility. there's no way you could've thought that BB was fine. I have the old one in a box out in my truck that I can send back to you. I can also get a signed letter from my mechanic who put a hand on the frame, spun the cranks and said "wow, that's toast". the bottom line is that you were not honest with me. and it's not such a great deal after you figure in the money I've put into it so far and will probably have to put more into it, along with the time and frustration.

well lets see..no I dont have control...I dropped the bike off and send please ship to this address, one shouldnt have to hold the hand of a proffessional bike shop. Second, I did not feel it without a chain on and a derailuer..it felt fine. And no i dont want you to send it to me, cuase then youll bitch cuase you spent 8 dollars to ship it.....you bought a USED frame...

 

[bibs]

i've never once emailed you. and I have all the PMs that you ever sent me.



well, how about $60 for BB, $20 for DU bushings and reducers?

If you don't want to work with me on this that's fine, but I am going to make sure that people know the truth.

um no Im not giving you 60 dollars for a BB, and I included new bushings in with the bike, noty my fualt you didnt use those and paid for new ones...after all this I am not willing to work with you....your lucky you got a 2195(retail) with some parts for what you did....

 

[bizutch]

Ok...just a quick note. I wasn't siding with DFinn or bashing on Bibs. I said "shame on"...that's sarcastic speak since I don't talk like that in real life. (It actually reminded me to email the guy who happily paid $1400.00 for my frame and headset only and let him know to do the same to avoid any frustration on his part...I fogot that part myself so I'm guilty in that respect)

Second, let's take the guys and their perceptions out of this and deal with straight up money "damages" to DFinn...I'll do worst case scenario. "Pretend I'm an arbitrator"
1. Missing bearing - $20.00 MAX to replace - that's the entire upper bearing
2. Blown BB -$45.00 MAX (unless you're geeky and gotta have XTR)
3. DU bushings - $20.00 MAX - (Romic usually will send you a pile at no charge if you're halfway cordial to them)
4. Longer axle clamp bolts $5.00 MAX (just need to take your current ones down to the hardwear store and tell them you need ones 5mm longer).
5. Sheared guide bolt - $15.00 MAX (I'm factoring in 3 day shipping on this one)
6. Right crank arm - $80.00 MAX (assuming you geek on XTR again)

That's $185.00 total cost to the buyer (regardless of them being either surprises to Bibs or known problems).

So now we have a grand total paid of $1300.00 for a $2100.00 frame, $200.00 chain guide, $200.00 crankset and BB, and $50.00 headset (hitting "normal" costs for these). This is to average out...even if DFinn has zero hookups at the shop.

Now we have $2550.00 cost at retail for Brand New everything.

So now we come to the bottom line...worst case scenario on everything here if DFinn were totally intentionally shafted and has to pay full kick for everything listed above (and this is not stating that Bibs didn't know, forgot to check or even intentionally deceived him, etc.) ....

.....DFinn got all this stuff with one season on it for dead on about half of full retail. That my friend is a good deal.

Now on to the most important part of the mechanical issue you have with the clunk. Go to www.turnerbikes.com Look up their phone #, call Greg or Casey and describe it to them. They'll have you give them a break down, try a few things...and tell you what the root of your problem is. Whether it is the shock or the frame pivots, they will help you resolve it in ONE CALL. Even if they have to refer you to Romic, they're nice about it.
Dude, you just hit the lottery by getting that bike... those guys will take really good care of you even though you aren't even the original warranty holder for a LONG TIME TO COME. You might never have to buy another frame again!!

Congrats! Sorry you had hassles but they're easily solved and no matter what, you're golden. TURNER RULES!

 

[dfinn]

c'mon, give up on that "i'm lucky BS". After all the money and time I've put into it's not really that good of a deal. There are other frames being sold on here for not much more than what I paid after you figure in what I've put into it and who knows how much more I'll need to put into it.

You included 1 new DU bushing. Both were shot. And because you rode the bike with two bad DU bushings for who knows how long both of the reducers were shot that press into them ($5/each from LBS for 4 of them).

It seems you keep trying to make the arguement that I'm cheap, which I am not. You should've let me know about all of these things from the beginning and let me know about them before I bought the bike.

Also, just because you didn't physically pack the bike doesn't mean it's not you problem. You trusted your "buddy" at this shop and he or she did a horrible job. But it's your fault because you trusted them and a good seller would reimburse for this.

 

[dfinn]

I have absolutely no shop hookups so I am paying full retail for things. My main problem with the seller is that he knew about these things (almost all of the issues anyways) and did not let me know. That's being dishonest in my eyes. None of this would be happening had he let me know about all of the issues.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

I have absolutely no shop hookups so I am paying full retail for things. My main problem with the seller is that he knew about these things (almost all of the issues anyways) and did not let me know. That's being dishonest in my eyes. None of this would be happening had he let me know about all of the issues.

I'm sorry for all you're issues. You should have kidwoo look at it for you, he should be your local hookup for getting it right.

 

[bibs]

I have absolutely no shop hookups so I am paying full retail for things. My main problem with the seller is that he knew about these things (almost all of the issues anyways) and did not let me know. That's being dishonest in my eyes. None of this would be happening had he let me know about all of the issues.

no I am not saying that you are cheap, or any other personal issues...that has nothing to with it...I was honest and told you of all the issues I knew about EXCPET one..yes the bolt on the E.13 being broken, I appologized for that, but it is a easy fix. That I am at fault for..but the other are minor, fo rwhat you paid...I was going to send you the hub and try to make you happy. I sent you a NEW DU bushing for the front and a new part for the rear, to re-place the DU bushing with a solid piece that OLY made to solve that problem. Its not my fualt you did not know to look and see what the extra parts in the bag were for you. AND you are a lucky person for getting this so cheap....I could have sold it for more....so with this said we are just going in cicles..I would have helped oyu warranty any thing on hte bike .but now you have just irritated me and I am done helping you. and Like I said this is going around in circles..so I am done..

 

[binary visions]

So now we come to the bottom line...worst case scenario on everything here if DFinn were totally intentionally shafted and has to pay full kick for everything listed above (and this is not stating that Bibs didn't know, forgot to check or even intentionally deceived him, etc.) ....

.....DFinn got all this stuff with one season on it for dead on about half of full retail. That my friend is a good deal.

F**k that.

It doesn't matter if he got a good deal or not. At all. Ever. Period, the end.

What if dfinn doesn't want to fvck with all of this stuff? What if he would have been willing to pay more for a deal that didn't have all of these problems? What if he doesn't think it's a good deal at all because his time is worth a lot more than $185 worth of parts? Phone calls to Turner, trips to the LBS, fussing with the bike to find out, "now what's wrong with it?" - you may not care, but he might.

The fact is, he was not given a choice. He was not allowed to make that decision. It was never up to him, whether or not to buy the defunct parts.

That's bull. If I were put in that situation, and was not told about such problems, I would expect full reimbursement for all of my troubles - at the VERY least, I would expect a very wholehearted apology, total ownership of the problems (don't fob it off on the bike shop, it's YOUR responsibility to ensure it's packed right, it doesn't matter who sent it. Apologize, pay up, then go after the bike shop for it if you think it's their fault), and an offer to make it better.

Sheesh. There are some normal, ethical things a seller needs to do when selling used parts. If you want to try and sneak past some broken bits here and there, that's your business, but you have to expect to be called out for it.

 

[dfinn]

Thanks. I've bought quite a bit of stuff from people on here and I feel that for the most part people are extremely honest and up front about things. I was never informed that this bike needed a new BB. I wasn't informed that he had been riding it with shot DU bushings and possibly done further permanent damage to the frame. I wasn't informed that it had multiple stripped bolts. I'm past the point of thinking that bibs might actually make good on these things and refund me my money for what I've had to put into the bike so far. I just want other people to know how he does buisness.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

F**k that.

It doesn't matter if he got a good deal or not. At all. Ever. Period, the end.

What if dfinn doesn't want to fvck with all of this stuff? What if he would have been willing to pay more for a deal that didn't have all of these problems? What if he doesn't think it's a good deal at all because his time is worth a lot more than $185 worth of parts? Phone calls to Turner, trips to the LBS, fussing with the bike to find out, "now what's wrong with it?" - you may not care, but he might.

The fact is, he was not given a choice. He was not allowed to make that decision. It was never up to him, whether or not to buy the defunct parts.

That's bull. If I were put in that situation, and was not told about such problems, I would expect full reimbursement for all of my troubles - at the VERY least, I would expect a very wholehearted apology, total ownership of the problems (don't fob it off on the bike shop, it's YOUR responsibility to ensure it's packed right, it doesn't matter who sent it. Apologize, pay up, then go after the bike shop for it if you think it's their fault), and an offer to make it better.

Sheesh. There are some normal, ethical things a seller needs to do when selling used parts. If you want to try and sneak past some broken bits here and there, that's your business, but you have to expect to be called out for it.

Exactly BV that's a bull sh*t excuses. If I was buying a bike used I would want to know exactly what was going on with it before hand, then base my decisions from there.

 

[Animine]

(It actually reminded me to email the guy who happily paid $1400.00 for my frame and headset only and let him know to do the same to avoid any frustration on his part...I fogot that part myself so I'm guilty in that respect)

Thanks for the e-mail and the frame which I got today! Shipped and packed in great way! Great frame, can't wait to build it up.

GRtz
Animine

 

[binary visions]

Exactly BV that's a bull sh*t excuses. If I was buying a bike used I would want to know exactly what was going on with it before hand, then base my decisions from there.

Hell, I work hard, you work hard... I'd probably avoid a headache-type bike no matter what kind of deal it was, simply because I don't want to spend three weeks of my free time trying to cram in little things here and there. I go into work before businesses open, I leave work after they close. Sometimes I have to work on Saturdays.

All that adds up to very, very little time to actually do things like call Turner for suggestions on shock mounts, then go home and try the suggestions out (or go to stores to pick up parts for the suggestions), go to my LBS for bushings/headset bearings (if they even have them in stock), install said parts... All of this time would be much better spent sneaking in what precious little riding time I have right now.

 

[dfinn]

Hell, I work hard, you work hard... I'd probably avoid a headache-type bike no matter what kind of deal it was, simply because I don't want to spend three weeks of my free time trying to cram in little things here and there. I go into work before businesses open, I leave work after they close. Sometimes I have to work on Saturdays.

All that adds up to very, very little time to actually do things like call Turner for suggestions on shock mounts, then go home and try the suggestions out (or go to stores to pick up parts for the suggestions), go to my LBS for bushings/headset bearings (if they even have them in stock), install said parts... All of this time would be much better spent sneaking in what precious little riding time I have right now.

I agree w/this 100%. I would've paid the extra $100 or more to have a frame that I could've just bolted my parts onto and taken for a ride. I really want to ride this bike this weekend but who knows how creative of a solution it's going to take to fix what I think is wrong with it.

Including my commute I work 11+ hour days. I just got a new pup which I'd much rather be playing with, but instead I've been messing with this almost every night for a couple of hours and numerous trips to my LBS.

 

[Cave Dweller]

The clunking sound you describe sounds like the actual shocks eyes in the shock have ovalised, this can happen if you ride with worn bushings or worn spacers. Craig from avalanche sells a kit that can fix it.

If the holes in the frame are ovalised im not sure what you could do to fix it. Measure it up with some calipers and see what the go is.

As for the stripped bolts in the rear im not sure that could be fixed, it would be hard, if not impossible, to drill it and helicoil it.

I find it hard to believe that these things where not noticed when riding it or pulling a bike apart.

 

[dfinn]

you wouldn't believe how loud and noticeable a clunk there was when I first got the frame. I'm thinking it's not the shock eyes because with new DU bushings and new reducers they are in there very tightly with no play at all. If I put the bolt through the two front mounting holes w/o the shock in there I can wiggle the bolt around quite a bit. I am going to get a second opinion but that's what makes me think that it's the mountin holes because I don't think there should be any play in those, especially not the amount that there is.

 

[Cave Dweller]

you wouldn't believe how loud and noticeable a clunk there was when I first got the frame. I'm thinking it's not the shock eyes because with new DU bushings and new reducers they are in there very tightly with no play at all. If I put the bolt through the two front mounting holes w/o the shock in there I can wiggle the bolt around quite a bit. I am going to get a second opinion but that's what makes me think that it's the mountin holes because I don't think there should be any play in those, especially not the amount that there is.

OK, sounds like that hole is not in good shape

Looking at my DHR their aint alot of room around there to go drilling and putting in a insert. If that is the problem you are going to have to shim it with some coke can i think.

There should be a little bit of play between the bolt and the frame other wise the bolt wouldn't go through the frame, without seeing it for myself it is hard to judge whats going on.

Sorry to hear this, the DHR really is a sweet bike to ride and wouldn't give up mine for any other bike

-Matt

 

[dfinn]

Yeah, I'm not too excited about this. So not only did I have to dump a bunch of cash into this I now have to find a way to ghetto rig this to fix for someones inability to maintain their very expensive DH race bike.