[bibs]

The Washington crew is rushing to the rescue which is predictable. What you guys don't get is that this could have been very easily resolved in the beginning if any of the following had happened:

1. Bibs had offered a reasonable discount for the buyers trouble.
2. Bibs is responsible to get the bike to the buyer. Whether or not the "shop stripped the bolts" is not the buyers problem. Bibs should have reimbursed for this problem and then gone and raised hell at the shop if this is true.

Transferring all the responsibility to the buyer is crap. I just don't get it. If I were in Bibs shoes I would have made it right. 150 to make this right, is that all it would have took? What the hell is the problem?

you talk alot of **** for a mod.....did you not read anyhting i wrote? I never said it was his fault...I never said oh yea bro sorry your fvcked..i sadi i would have helped him but he had to be tough guy on my voice mail instead of be cool about it. I was working on issues 1&2 when i go thte voice mail for mhim threating me...other wise I would have kicked him down some money and things would have been alot different..I have said this from the start but ...funny..no one listens....

 

[dfinn]

Seriously now, if you took that as a threat you have some issues. I sent you PMs during the week which I never heard back about. I left two VMs over the weekend, how was I to know you were gone for the weekend. I asked you nicely in the message to please get back to me as I was starting to get frustrated. The more I work on the frame the more I found wrong with it. I said that if I didn't hear back from you in a couple of days I was going to take this to a public place like RM to get your attention. I think you are using this as an excuse and you never planned on helping me w/this at all.

The correct way to handle this would've been not to get all pissy that I suggested if I didn't hear from you in a couple of days I would post on RM. Rather than return my calls like a man you send me a PM calling me a d1ck and saying you aren't going to help me anymore.

 

[Ridemonkey]

you talk alot of **** for a mod.....did you not read anyhting i wrote? I never said it was his fault...I never said oh yea bro sorry your fvcked..i sadi i would have helped him but he had to be tough guy on my voice mail instead of be cool about it. I was working on issues 1&2 when i go thte voice mail for mhim threating me...other wise I would have kicked him down some money and things would have been alot different..I have said this from the start but ...funny..no one listens....

I read everything you wrote. Mostly I saw a lot of **** yous and a lot of blame placed on everyone but yourself. I don't like people making bad trades on my site.

 

[dfinn]

PMs from last night and today:

Well I just got your message, I have been out of town all weekend. The shop said theres nothing they can do. And after your message, theres nothing I can do either. You bought this bike used and for a screaming deal. I told you I rode it for a season. The frame retails for 2195.00 and thats with out the parts.I sold it with parts for 1050, shipped.....If you feel that bashing me on the internet will make you happy go ahead, sorry that you felt you had to threaten me with that. I tried to help you out, but I dont take to threats well. Godd luck and best wishes.

look, i would have totaly helped oyu out, I was out of town from friday till sunday night. I would have helped you out, warranty to romic, turner..etc. You started the whole "take this public:" not me, Im not crying..I just think you are an ass...why else was I going to send you the hubs...I told oyu that from the the day I found out about the stripped bolts..it seems you forgot to mention that......i tried..but not now things are ot god..and you went this oute'.....but to each their own...

hope you feel better, this is the second thing I have ever sold on the net.....guess thats what I get for dealing with an asshole Have a god ride and enjoy the frame.

real professional.

 

[zedro]

Zedro, if you hadn't noticed those cracks, and sold the frame, and the buyer had noticed the cracks, wouldn't you have offered him his money back?

probably after i disengaged from the fetal position and my voice would stop being broken from the sobs....

 

[Spunger]

I just wanted to thank dfinn for posting this to the bad sellers or scams section (where maybe this should fall under, this entire post)

I'm thinkin a Mod should move this over to that section and close this one. It seems like the anger is let out, bibs and dfinn are just letting out their feelings, but the damage is done. $1050 for a used bike that wasn't as described and now we have a argument! It's funny how this post titles brake adapter and what we're into now.

 

[buildyourown]

The only reason I'm coming to bib's defense is because I'm one of the few who knows the condition of the bike. I think perhaps dfinn had unrealistic expectations of a "used" dh bike. And perhaps bibs didn't notice a couple of problems with the bike. The whole thing is blown out of proportion for a small amount of money.

 

[Slacker]

Man, this whole deal sucks. I recently sold some stuff here and was so worried the seller wouldn't be 100% happy, I told him I'd hold his $$ for three days after he received the goods. Fortunately, I never heard anything from him again.

Anyway Dfinn, I had some issues with my DHR and I bought it brand spanking new. I was a little pissed and disappointed too. All I can say to you is, after you get it built up, and go for that first ride... all this crap will disappear. You'll be too stoked to even remember this thread :love:

Good luck man. Hope you get her up and running very soon.

 

[Cave Dweller]

I think perhaps dfinn had unrealistic expectations of a "used" dh bike.

No, sounds like he didn't get what he was told he was buying.

The whole thing is blown out of proportion for a small amount of money.

Agreed.

So bibs should pay up the small amount of money and everything would be sweet.

 

[Cave Dweller]

By the way dfinn, i did have a couple of issues of the spacers being slightly loose when i was running the romic. I think my problem was that the spacers didn't quite fit right (i think they were fox spacers), so i didn't ride it very hard until i got my avy for it, that has fixed up the problem altogether. The avy spacers are stainless steel and heaps better. The bushings in the linkage end of the shock will wear alot faster then the other end BTW.

Also, you need to squirt grease into the linkage grease ports every ride other wise you will toast the needle bearings. I went through a set in my first 3 months of riding the bike becasue no one told me, i was only squirting every month or so Turner gave me a new set but, they rock

Good luck fixing it mate, but at the end of the day when this is all sorted out you will love the bike.

-Matt

 

[blue]

When you sell stuff, you describe EVERYTHING wrong with it.

And this "Everyone who sells used on the web sells junk" argument. I've bought lots of stuff used online (Frames, forks, whees..etc) and NEVER had this problem. If this happened to me, I'd be raising hell about it, because if I had bought it, I probably wouldn't have enough money to fix the problems in the first place. When I buy something, I expect it to be usable unless the ad says so otherwise.

 

[-dustin]

i sold my Zebdi to a guy and let him know there was play in the headset. i told him i'd get the headtube faced, then send him the frame, hoping the play would be gone. i got the headtube faced, then sent him the bike. he paid $250 for it. half of retail. he got it, had the headset installed, and the play was still there. i felt rather ****ty about it, but he said "i got a kickass deal, so don't worry about it. i had the shop put in a new headset."

i think both sides might be a little at fault. bibs for not describing it better (i try to describe eeeverything, especially if i can't get pictures of it) and dfinn for expecting a little too much out of a used frame that was raced for a year, and ridden at Whistler.

personally, i think 1050$ for that frame, given the condition, is still a good deal. i'd have no problem dropping another 300$ - 400$ to get it fixed. BECAUSE it is a Turner DHR. i wouldn't do that for many other things at all. but that's just my opinion. then again, i'd be hard-pressed to buy a used frame.

 

[bibs]

i sold my Zebdi to a guy and let him know there was play in the headset. i told him i'd get the headtube faced, then send him the frame, hoping the play would be gone. i got the headtube faced, then sent him the bike. he paid $250 for it. half of retail. he got it, had the headset installed, and the play was still there. i felt rather ****ty about it, but he said "i got a kickass deal, so don't worry about it. i had the shop put in a new headset."

i think both sides might be a little at fault. bibs for not describing it better (i try to describe eeeverything, especially if i can't get pictures of it) and dfinn for expecting a little too much out of a used frame that was raced for a year, and ridden at Whistler.

personally, i think 1050$ for that frame, given the condition, is still a good deal. i'd have no problem dropping another 300$ - 400$ to get it fixed. BECAUSE it is a Turner DHR. i wouldn't do that for many other things at all. but that's just my opinion. then again, i'd be hard-pressed to buy a used frame.

1050 for frame, thomson seat post , Bb, cranks, E.13 , FSA DH pig headset, extra small parts...shipped and minus paypal fees..and I admitted to him what Iscrewed up on

but Inbred I agree with you, but Im through with the site...Dfinn wins...hope your happy....

 

[dfinn]

you may have admitted it but you did nothing to fix it. as long as it doesn't take much or any more money to get this to where I can ride it I am done with this as well.

 

[Certified Drunk]

This is ridiculous. You got a smok'n deal
$1050 for an 04 Turner DHR frame, thomson seat post , Bb, cranks, E.13 , FSA DH pig headset, extra small parts...shipped.

 

[Certified Drunk]

Admin edit: racial slurs. Last warning.

 

[Freak]

you talk alot of **** for a mod..

Heh...good one!! He's the guy who started this site that everyone uses Maybe we should start charging people to sell things, and to even have membership?

 

[Transcend]

Heh...good one!! He's the guy who started this site that everyone uses Maybe we should start charging people to sell things, and to even have membership?

I agree on membership. I am a member of a few internet forums that cost $ to enter. They all offer good tradeoffs for the $ and less total asses.

I DO NOT agree with charging for basic for sale ads, as that would cut down considerably on the items for sale and viewers of said ads. I would charge for paid stickies etc.

 

[bizutch]

1. Ridemonkey - You can't sell me junk for $400.00...you'd need to sell it to me for about $345.00 to keep your argument consistent with my math. Oh, and it would have to be top of the line junk that retailed for $1000.00...and cost about $55.00 to for me to restore to "like new" condition.

2. DFinn - You got into a pissing match. Say you call up Ford and your car is out of warranty by ...oh, 25 miles. They don't get back to you right away because they're super busy, phone lines messed up, etc. You call back again and leave a message telling them you're turning them into the Better Business Bureau. Monday, they tell you to go screw yourself because they don't have to do crap for you. Without that second call, you may have gotten a call back offering to make an exception and cover it. You pissed the guy off by essentially threatening his "rep", "honor", "respect"...whatever. You now get the attitude you projected, right back at you....

3. DFinn- I swear if you post one more time on here pissing and moaning that there is some weird thing "clunking" without taking your lazy butt TO THE SHOP and PICKING UP THE PHONE and having a PROFESSIONAL MECHANIC call TURNER to go over the potential issues through process of elimination...I'm gonna ship you a box of tampons(free...unused!) Don't post 30 times that "some mysterious thing" is still clunking and you haven't so much as bothered to contact THE MANUFACTURER to ask "What could it be?" Honestly....just call them and they will help you resolve it that day.

4. - Frame Bolts - They could easily be stripped without the rider or shop ever knowing. Why you ask? Because all they do is hold in the actual axle sleeves (which incidentally, the axle will still tighten VERY SOLIDLY into and function when those bolts are stripped). Again, call Turner if you don't want to go to a hardwear store and get longer replacements. They will be happy to help. (Remember #2 and don't threaten to bash them on the net if you don't hear back from them after the first phone message or they'll tell you to bug off....see where I'm coming from here?).

5. Ridemonkey - will you take $260 and throw in some other junk that is bolted onto the existing junk, but you were planning on keeping?

6. Bibs - Always make the buyer pay the shipping fees! You made a whopping $900.00 off your bike you idiot!

7. EVERYBODY - DFinn got the frame for about $900.00....anybody else out there got a Turner in any kind of shape for that much???? anybody? Bueller? He ALSO got a bunch of parts thrown in to sweeten the already ridiculous deal.

8. Sports Car Buffs - you just bought a $40,000 corvette online for $20,000 shipped to your front door. The guy threw in a car cover, custom wheels, Momo steering wheel, custom sound system and spare set of Michelin tires. It's less than a year old, it's been raced at the track on the weekends, but it needs a 4 wheel alignment and tune-up and the car dealer scratched the bumper loading it to get shipped. It's gonna cost you $5000.00 to get it running perfect..... Are you happy with the car even if you find that out "after the sale"?

Note: I'm gonna unsubscribe from the thread now.... hopefully I made everybody "uber-mad" or I'm losing my touch... :::D:

 

[Str8OutaBallard]

All I can say is that, in my experience, if your gonna buy stuff online you really gotta know what your possibly in for in a worst case senario... research into the peculiarities and down sides of components is really important... and it's best to know someone who already owns what your buying so you can get info about weak points/design flaws/maintence issues/product failures & remidies etc. etc. before you buy... if nothing else product review posts are a good place to start... buying parts online isn't for everybody... some people swear by it, some have horror experiences, some people think it's wrong not to support your local shop... I say that if you guys would have remained cool and calm about this it could have been worked out, but that dosn't look like whats gonna happen on this one...

 

[Freak]

I say that if you guys would have remained cool and calm about this it could have been worked out but thats not the case...

BINGO!!!!

 

[Ridemonkey]

I DO NOT agree with charging for basic for sale ads, as that would cut down considerably on the items for sale and viewers of said ads. I would charge for paid stickies etc.

I'll never charge for ads. I don't like this deal though. There was a way out but Bibs took the low road and now we have this unfortunate thread.

 

[Jeremy R]

and now we have this unfortunate thread.

Ah, something we can all agree on.

 

[Snacks]

The Washington crew is rushing to the rescue....

Wow, I was just thinking how it appears all the So-cal guys are jumping on Bibbs like he's a crook?!?

This place, especialy the DH forum, is SUPER CLICKEE though....

Sounds to me like Bibbs didn't do a thorough enough job describing said frame and Dfin didn't ask enough questions. So who's really at fault????

 

[Ridemonkey]

Sounds to me like Bibbs didn't do a thorough enough job describing said frame and Dfin didn't ask enough questions. So who's really at fault????

Well we do know who started the name calling, nasty PM's etc. Fraser and I have been debating this for a while on IM. I am inclined to say still that Dfinn got a raw deal, although maybe it's not as bad as I first thought. But when there is a problem, you work towards a solution. You don't call names and tell the guy you just took a grand from "too bad so sad".

If Bibs had handled this differently it likey would have never been an issue. But we said that already.

Yeah yeah - people have been complaining about "cliques" for years. Aren't you all the PNW clique? Or are you clique free?

 

[Certified Drunk]

I'll never charge for ads. I don't like this deal though. There was a way out but Bibs took the low road and now we have this unfortunate thread.

Bibs, did start this bashing and You let it continue. Next time some of you should learn all the FACTS before jumping on the band wagon! This whole topic should be closed. What one person thinks is rideable might not be to another.

Bibs sold a USED RACE bike.
Dfinn, Got a USED Race Bike.
If you read the for sale post BIBS NEVER stated the Condition of his bike.
Strange.

 

[Transcend]

I don't have a clique. I feel left out.

 

[The Kadvang]

I don't have a clique. I feel left out.

I'll be your friend Fraiser... :love:

 

[Freak]

Next time some of you should learn all the FACTS before jumping on the band wagon! .

Do you REALLY know all of the facts?

 

[Transcend]

Do you REALLY know all of the facts?

YOU WANT THE TRUTH?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

 

[Inclag]

Someone please buy my M1.

Paint chipping
ISCG tabs broken off
Dent on downtube
Dent on driveside seatstay
Broken shot bolt
1 Bad DU bushing
Bad Bearings
Ghetto Hanger since non-replaceable one sheared off

:devil:

 

[Snacks]

...Aren't you all the PNW clique? Or are you clique free?

Oh there is definitaly clique's here, but we'll ride with anybody! Just ask Acadian, we accepted him with open arms the one time he showed his face this ways. Drank his beer on the side of a road in Roslyn, Wa and everything!!!

 

[-dustin]

maybe you belong to the anti-clique clique?

 

[zedro]

I don't have a clique. I feel left out.

i was pretty sure you were cliqued-in. If it makes you feel better, compared to you i'm in a total vacuum....

 

[evilbob]

Geez, look at this, I go on one dang night ride and look what I miss. I'm not going to ride my bike anymore because I can't afford to miss this kind of stuff. :eviltongu

1) I know Bibs and really doubt that he would try to miss lead someone to the extent that this is being made to sound.
2) I don't know dfinn so I can't say much there one way or the other but he doesn't sound like a bad Monkey.
3) Nobody here is gonna solve this except Bibs and dfinn.
4) Suggest Bibs and dfinn settle off line, start fresh and see what can be done but be realistic about it.
5) Be courtious even in disagreement if needed and don't drag everyone else into it, that does nothing but get everyones epinions all wound up.
6)

 

[Bulldog]

I think perhaps dfinn had unrealistic expectations of a "used" dh bike.

I think you have unrealistic expectations of how far a buyer should bend over. To me "used" means not fresh from the factory/warehouse, previous owner, and lack of warranty. Other than that I expect it to be in new condition unless the seller lists any problems. To say "it was raced" encompasses all the problems with the frame in question is the biggest cop-out I've heard in a long time, regardless of price.

 

[Universe]

Do you REALLY know all of the facts?

Oh but 'Ridemonkey" does??

 

[Echo]

how many people actually to a complete teardown tho? most times this is down to the frameset, but not the suspension (how many people wait until they have an inch of play in the back). Hell i bet 90% of the front suspension owners out there never change their oil....until it starts leaking and they piss-n-moan about the crappy seal quality.

Even with a complete strip-down, i almost missed a bunch of cracks on my Kona Stinky that i was about to put up for sale. The only reason i eventually saw them was because i was cleaning every nook and cranny with a toothbrush and dunk-cleaner outside in the bright light. Had i been in the garage only wiping it down with a rag doing an inspection, i probably wouldn't have caught it and it might be in someone elses sorry hands by now. So sellers may not even be totally aware of the condition of their bike, either by ignorance, sloppyness or chance.

No way man. Ask Inclag about the condition of the M1 frame I sold him. I knew he was expecting an M1 frame, not some piece of junk. I took the time to clean it up, repack the bearings, and make sure there was nothing wrong with it. It took a little time, but I bet it was easier than dealing with an unsatisfied buyer.

 

[narlus]

regardless of how hard the bike was raced or ridden, an '04 bike should not have ovalized shock mounts or stripped axle nuts, if the bike was properly maintained. and if it hasn't, this condition should be clearly spelled out. clearly a caveat emptor condition exists for the buyer, but being duped ain't covered in that.

 

[dfinn]

3. DFinn- I swear if you post one more time on here pissing and moaning that there is some weird thing "clunking" without taking your lazy butt TO THE SHOP and PICKING UP THE PHONE and having a PROFESSIONAL MECHANIC call TURNER to go over the potential issues through process of elimination...I'm gonna ship you a box of tampons(free...unused!) Don't post 30 times that "some mysterious thing" is still clunking and you haven't so much as bothered to contact THE MANUFACTURER to ask "What could it be?" Honestly....just call them and they will help you resolve it that day.

It's still clunking. My girlfriend prefers tampax. :eviltongu

6. Bibs - Always make the buyer pay the shipping fees! You made a whopping $900.00 off your bike you idiot!

7. EVERYBODY - DFinn got the frame for about $900.00....anybody else out there got a Turner in any kind of shape for that much???? anybody? Bueller? He ALSO got a bunch of parts thrown in to sweeten the already ridiculous deal.

your math has been so off in so many ways. I didn't get it for $900. It doesn't cost $150 to ship it, especially not when you have a "buddy" who works at a shop and is hooking you up. We agreed to $1050, 1000 + $50 for shipping, which I am not positive but I'm pretty sure he didn't pay that much to ship it. I hope not, not the way it was packaged.

I think some of you are missing the point here. I asked him several times about the condition the bike was in and if there were any problems with any of the parts. Look at his answers a couple of pages back.

If I had been the seller in this situation (and I think most of you would've handled this the same) I would've gladly refunded the buyer the money to cover the cost of parts that he needed to put into the bike. I would not have handled it by name calling and acting immature.