special hayes brake adapter for Turner DHR?
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dfinn said:
So its still clunking even when you've replaced doth DU bushings and all the bolts are tight? Are you positive its the rear? I had my HS come loose and stopped 3 times during a run all pissed that my bike all the sudden developed a CLUNK, only to realize that my front end was loose.... but i couldnt tell untill i thought to really check. Maybe your too focused on the issue at the links and forgot to tighten something else....... its worth a look right? also your hubs loose? Dont get defensive either....Im just trying to suggest other places you could have problems...any good mechanic will look at every possible place.....more than once too....
I think his math is based on the fact that you also recieved a handful of decent parts with the transaction. The thomson post and guide were for sure in good shape. You said the headset was missing a bearing... well, ive had those trapped cage bearings fall out before. Its not impossible, and i bet easy to remedy... maybe its still in the box?? Did you check? , and i know the cranks and BB you say were mangled/trashed so lets just throw those in the trash and be done with that. Even without the cranksand BB the post, guide and cost of shipping i would feel is worth something, although for some reason not many other people do.....
Pic from some endless political thread from a few weeks back. Think its fitting.....
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yeah, i'm done talking about the whole bibs thing because it's not going anywhere. he's not going to help me out with anything and that's fine.
so about the bike. bizutch may have to send me 2 boxes of tampons if I talk about this any more but here goes. I can't really call Turner from work and I don't think they are open when I get home at 6pm PST. Kidwoo offered to come check it out tomorrow so I should have a better idea then.
All the DU bushings and related hardware have been replaced and checked. I also went around and tightened up everything else. I can almost swear I can hear it and feel it coming from the front shock mount, but maybe I am too focused on that. It will be good to have a second set of eyes look at it.
My replacement hardware came from e.13 (awesome customer service) yesterday so i was able to get the guide correctly installed with all new bolts. After an hour with the dremel (damn that brake adapter got hot) I was able to get the rear brake installed w/new pads. So all I have left to do is throw the chain on, setup the rear der. and figure what the hell is loose.
so about the bike. bizutch may have to send me 2 boxes of tampons if I talk about this any more but here goes. I can't really call Turner from work and I don't think they are open when I get home at 6pm PST. Kidwoo offered to come check it out tomorrow so I should have a better idea then.
All the DU bushings and related hardware have been replaced and checked. I also went around and tightened up everything else. I can almost swear I can hear it and feel it coming from the front shock mount, but maybe I am too focused on that. It will be good to have a second set of eyes look at it.
My replacement hardware came from e.13 (awesome customer service) yesterday so i was able to get the guide correctly installed with all new bolts. After an hour with the dremel (damn that brake adapter got hot) I was able to get the rear brake installed w/new pads. So all I have left to do is throw the chain on, setup the rear der. and figure what the hell is loose.
Just putting my $.02 in. I can't believe people are still trying to convince that dfinn got a good deal on the frame. I can understand that some of you are just trying to stand up for your buddy, but lets be honest here, he screwed up and was not up front about the condition of the bike. From his e-mail/pm he made it sound like the bike was only raced 1 season with not much riding elsewhere because of school etc. I could've sworn I saw the washington crew almost every other weekend in whistler. Not too sure if he was one of them but I can bet that the bike was ridden quite a bit. However, that is not really an issue if the bike was properly maintained which is not the case. If you have any respect at all to the buyer, you should at least clean the bike and make sure that everything is working properly.
Why cant you call? Restricted on LD calls?? Cant be because of the time it takes as youve spent some good time during standard working hours on this thread. Turner also accepts e-mails and might possibly call back if you explained you cant reach them during their normal hours, or because you are not allowed to make LD calls... thats assuming you cant make LD calls on a cell phone at lunch also.dfinn said:
Thats all im trying to say. Step back. Take a breath. Have someone else look it over. When your frustrated (people in general) they tend to get stuck on the wrong track. How many times have you had other problems where you swear the problem is one thing when its another? (again, im meaning in general, not attacking Dfinn) Like when your sound card doesnt work and after taking it out of the computer and re-installing with the help of online techs you realize the speakers werent turned on? thats a real example....
i think the majority are being pretty impartial. He posted this on MTBR, then requested the thread be deleted because people didnt see everything his way. I guess empathy just isnt enough...PoserNewbie said:
I generally try to follow K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid). I am not monitored so much when it comes to web and email but when I start spending time during the day on the phone about clearly not work-related items in cube world where my boss and other people can clearly hear me it doesn't go over so well. My cell is paid for by work and it's not an un-limited account so I need to keep the minutes down and only use it for work related stuff. I will try emailing them.
there were some good responses in there along with the curt juvynesque replies (and you will especially get those linking to a main thread, when the real participation is here). Generally people will take the side of the complainant and roast a scammer, but obviously after reading this thread it worked against you, giving you poop back instead. I wasent going to remove the thread just because it didnt play to your favor, and there were some good impartial points made among some poingnant thumbs down.dfinn said:
You havent pissed me off personally (hell, first time i noticed you), which goes to show this isnt about taking allegiances, but rather having an independant opinion on the situation. People mostly didnt like how you are handeling it over the actual problems.
I just got off the phone with Turner. Casey said that what I described to him is most likely an ovalized shock mount. If that is the problem I will need a new front triangle. He said it's definitely possible that if the bike was ridden with shot DU bushing that it would cause that hole to get ovalized. Awesome.
I'm hoping it's something else.
I'm hoping it's something else.
well i hope it works out for you.
but look on the bright side, even if it *is* ovalized, according to bizutch it's still a great deal.
but look on the bright side, even if it *is* ovalized, according to bizutch it's still a great deal.
Did I say he does??? No I didn't think so.Universe said:
Ok I am gonna weigh in now. IF the frame is ovalized, i would demasnd your money back NOW. I would also take him to small claims court if necessary, as he obviously sold you defective product. I believe this could be seen as mail fraud across state boundaries as well (misrepresentation of merchandise for sale) which is a felony.
If it is just the DUs or whatever, I say deal with it as you got a smokin deal. I realize it is not what you expected (and from his ad, i cannot blame you). BUT you also have to realize it was a race bike and raced=abused, in no uncertain conditions. 90% of racers are completely obllivious to bicycle maintenance, as sad as that is. Stripped bolt heads and broken bolts cost pennies to replace. Just be stoked you have a rad bike at a great price.
If it is just the DUs or whatever, I say deal with it as you got a smokin deal. I realize it is not what you expected (and from his ad, i cannot blame you). BUT you also have to realize it was a race bike and raced=abused, in no uncertain conditions. 90% of racers are completely obllivious to bicycle maintenance, as sad as that is. Stripped bolt heads and broken bolts cost pennies to replace. Just be stoked you have a rad bike at a great price.
no you dont. There are plenty of ways to stop that play (like ream and reduce, ream and use a larger bolt, tape, whatever).....hell i'd get an oval shock bolt machined before i would get a new frame over something so minor.dfinn said:
Yo dfinn,
I don't want in on this thread at all, but this may help.
I would look at all the other options beside that hole ovalizing.
We have had and been around a gazillion DHR's and have never seen this
happen to one of them. I hope you can find an easy fix to this and get riding.
As far as the clunking, sometimes a Romic will clunk all on its own, without any help from the frame. One time, I had a noise on mine that was actually coming from the shock spring, and I fixed it by lubing the threads.
Its hard to guess why it would clunk without seeing it, as it could be for any number or reasons. Regardless, I hope you get it fixed pronto, so this thread can go away.
I don't want in on this thread at all, but this may help.
I would look at all the other options beside that hole ovalizing.
We have had and been around a gazillion DHR's and have never seen this
happen to one of them. I hope you can find an easy fix to this and get riding.
As far as the clunking, sometimes a Romic will clunk all on its own, without any help from the frame. One time, I had a noise on mine that was actually coming from the shock spring, and I fixed it by lubing the threads.
Its hard to guess why it would clunk without seeing it, as it could be for any number or reasons. Regardless, I hope you get it fixed pronto, so this thread can go away.
Personally, I think it's funny that this thread turned into such a trainwreck over such a simple, clear-cut case of an improperly described item that was subsequently packaged badly.
F**k "poor communication". It is the seller's responsibility to properly describe the item they're selling. If they can't do that, they need to get someone who can or admit that they can't do it so that someone can ask the right questions.
As far as this rediculous excuse of "it was raced for a season, what do you expect?" - aside from the fact that some people's bikes come out of a season looking mint, and some of them look like they've been dragged down a highway at 60mph, most people have no idea what a frame looks like after "a season of racing". Many of the people who buy DH bikes used do not race and don't know what to expect - "a season" to a lot of people can mean a ride or two every weekend and a bike can get to the end of the year looking and riding like brand new.
Ah well. dfinn, good luck. With a little elbow grease and/or ingenuity, you should be able to fix the ovalized shock mounts without a new frame. But you are entirely in the right here to be pissed off.
F**k "poor communication". It is the seller's responsibility to properly describe the item they're selling. If they can't do that, they need to get someone who can or admit that they can't do it so that someone can ask the right questions.
As far as this rediculous excuse of "it was raced for a season, what do you expect?" - aside from the fact that some people's bikes come out of a season looking mint, and some of them look like they've been dragged down a highway at 60mph, most people have no idea what a frame looks like after "a season of racing". Many of the people who buy DH bikes used do not race and don't know what to expect - "a season" to a lot of people can mean a ride or two every weekend and a bike can get to the end of the year looking and riding like brand new.
Ah well. dfinn, good luck. With a little elbow grease and/or ingenuity, you should be able to fix the ovalized shock mounts without a new frame. But you are entirely in the right here to be pissed off.
i don't know. i think if you're smart enough to realize that 1050 was a good price for a DHR, you're smart enough to realize the kind of abuse a race frame is put through. especially DH bikes. i wouldn't even consider buying a race-used road bike. looking at bibs' description of the bike, it is rather short. but "raced for one season" should be a red flag.binary visions said:
but, that's my opinion.
dfinn - take your shock off and look at the hole. It should be pretty obvious if the hole is ovalized or not. I don't know why you'd even have to call someone to find that out. If it is, then good luck. Machine it out, get a new front triangle, or take it out back, shoot it, and give it a proper buiral. If it isn't ovalized, then check everything over again. From the sounds of other Turner DHR owner's posts in this thread, Turners and/or Romics make noises, specifically clunking. If that's the case, venture back into this thread: look and find out what they say.
And take your pup into your garage, and throw him a tennis ball. I do it all the time.
And take your pup into your garage, and throw him a tennis ball. I do it all the time.
My comment on this situation has nothing to do with the deal between bibs/dfinn....
My comment is people saying that a raced bike automatically ='s and abused bike. I don't feel I abuse my equipment any more when I race then when I ride. Sure, many races bikes might get abused, but it's all dependant on the individual and how they maintain their equipment. I have seen race bikes in prestene condition while the weekend warriors bike is about to fall apart. So don't go giving us racers trying to sell our bikes a bad rap
My comment is people saying that a raced bike automatically ='s and abused bike. I don't feel I abuse my equipment any more when I race then when I ride. Sure, many races bikes might get abused, but it's all dependant on the individual and how they maintain their equipment. I have seen race bikes in prestene condition while the weekend warriors bike is about to fall apart. So don't go giving us racers trying to sell our bikes a bad rap
The DHR uses small enough mounting hardware that you could easily increase the hole size to make a larger bolt work. My last 2 bikes used 8mm bolts instead of the 6mm of the turner.
Or, I could even send you some flanged reducers that are used to step down a bearing to bolt interface from one of my older bikes. (8mm to 6mm) I have spares laying around. I could send you a photo. It would be an easy thing to do. Drill the main frame larger, pop in reducers, then bolt down. You may need a longer bolt, but i could supply that too. You wouldnt even know they are there....
I dont believe you need a new front tri, or that this should escilate any further......
EDIT: added pic from tech manual showing the flanged part i meant. point is theres more than one way to skin a cat......
Or, I could even send you some flanged reducers that are used to step down a bearing to bolt interface from one of my older bikes. (8mm to 6mm) I have spares laying around. I could send you a photo. It would be an easy thing to do. Drill the main frame larger, pop in reducers, then bolt down. You may need a longer bolt, but i could supply that too. You wouldnt even know they are there....
I dont believe you need a new front tri, or that this should escilate any further......
EDIT: added pic from tech manual showing the flanged part i meant. point is theres more than one way to skin a cat......
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Bibs is a good guy. All internet deals will end badly for everyone forever. You are probably a good guy, but not knowing you personally, you sound like a whiny a$$ b1tch!
Radarr said:
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That comment doesnt do anything to help resolve this....
c'mon, take a look at all the racers who sell bikes after a season of racing. freak, orven, the SEI guys, bmxman, etc etc etc. are you telling me all their rigs are trashed by the time they hit the For Sale bin? it's up to how much maintenance one does during the season. i'd be cautious about looking at a race bike like you said (even if it hasn't been raced; plenty of people can put a lot of time on a DH bike in a season and not race), but it's not automatic that the condition of the bike is suspect.the Inbred said:
btw, i've had excellent experiences buying used bikes (both DH, FR and XC - about 5 in total now), but maybe that's just me and i've gotten lucky.
or the buyers responsibility to ask the right questions and understand the condition under terms they can comprehend.binary visions said:
For example (not about the situation), if i said the BB is well used, what does that mean to you? to me either a BB spins freely, or it doesnt. So if its well used, or used, or anything that isnt 'like new', that should mean it isnt smooth so obviously a bearing is wearing, right?
its nice to say the seller should spoon feed every detail and somehow enter the buyers head to make sure he perfectly understands the realiity with relativity, but unfortunatly the seller will never 100% know that the buyer has a perfect mental picture which meets expectations.
This is why people are saying to lower expectations, it has nothing to do with "bending over".
Right.zedro said:
Too bad that has absolutely nothing to do with the situation. The situation is a poorly described item that clearly had more obvious, easily describable problems then were implied in the sale.
edit: sheesh, I keep getting sucked back into this thread. I'm not posting any more in here, I swear!
i don't know if their bikes are trashed or not. i assume they're all in rather good condition, since this hasn't come up with one of those guys. but i don't know how the maintenace bibs performs compares to the maintenance the other guys perform. are there team mechanics involved in either case?
i'm just a little cautious when buying frames. it's the most important part of the bike, so i'd rather not compromise there. unless there was some sort of transferable warranty, and i had about 20 pictures of everything on the frame.
i'm just a little cautious when buying frames. it's the most important part of the bike, so i'd rather not compromise there. unless there was some sort of transferable warranty, and i had about 20 pictures of everything on the frame.
narlus said:
Dude, most of these guys are grassroots race team so don't count on having team mechanic perform maintenance like a world cup team. It is up to the individual to properly maintain their bikes. Unfortunately, some people do know their bikes inside/out and some would just rather ride and only take the bike for repair when something is wrong.the Inbred said:
when did everyone get sand in there vages. this is a joke, bibs sold a bike and decribed it as he saw fit, said the threads were mangled etc etc. the bolts cost what 3 bucks at the hardware store and like oly said pull your head out of your ass and check other pasrt of the bike and if its still there like someone else mentiond just go ride and stop bitching.
im with bibs on this one
im with bibs on this one
i knew something felt itchy, but i had no idea it was called a vages....dexter said:
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